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Originally posted by excelsior:
I agree with MadDog. The handling of this matter was awkward and avoidable - even amaturish. After all, Baalke is really new at this GM thing and has a great deal to learn. Unfortunately, he won the "NFL Executive of the Year Award" and probably thinks he knows it all already. Things went very swimmingly last year - almost too good. Frankly, things kind of broke our way a bit last year.

How to better handle this? They should have been straight up and open with Alex when they decided to make a try at Manning, and given him a chance to explore his options earlier when they were exploring theirs. When Manning spurned the 49ers, they should have increased their offer to Alex in light of a number of things, one of which was to send a signal to the rest of the team that Alex is truely valued. This way the team will be more inclined to be enthused about the coming year. Instead, they have effectively told the world that they do not think that Alex is very good, and we will see if that has any adverse effect down the road.

There is no doubt that Harbaugh and Baalke are a vast improvement over the previous cast of bumblers, but they are not perfect and each has a little bit to learn yet. Remember, one can argue that Harbaugh lost the NFCC game when he/STs coach failed to instruct Kyle to be more protective of the ball, especially after watching him be reckless twice before the third one put a stake through our heart. The NYG organization was smart enough to order their KR/PR to go down as soon as they fielded the wet ball. Yes, I said it - I think Harbaugh was outcoached that game.

That is pure speculation. You don't know if the 49ers gave Smith notice or not. You don't know if they ended up giving him more money or not. It's at least even odds that your wrong on both accounts.
Originally posted by RayshawnJackson:
Fred, trust me. When a super stud franchise QB like Smith is on the open market, a lot of teams are going to beat down his door. And they did. According to my sources, shortly after Alex signed the dotted line with us he had 5-6 offers from teams that need quarterbacks. Other teams around the league agreee with the smart 49er fans here on the WZ that this guy is a premium talent.

Originally posted by RayshawnJackson:
Fred, trust me. When a super stud franchise QB like Smith is on the open market, a lot of teams are going to beat down his door. And they did. According to my sources, shortly after Alex signed the dotted line with us he had 5-6 offers from teams that need quarterbacks. Other teams around the league agreee with the smart 49er fans here on the WZ that this guy is a premium talent.

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Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
They proved that they have no class. This was handled horribly

Yeah right, it was handled perfectly.

Alex had no other options, niners knew that. When Alex tried to play hardball we took a good look at Peyton like we should have. When that fell through we knew Alex would always be around. There were no other places for Alex. SF was his best and only option.

Nothing they should have done differently.

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Originally posted by welvisdogger:
Gentlemen,

If I may present an alternative paradigm. BTW, Long time listener, first time caller. ------ If we may all remember the offer that Alex apparently agreed to in the last 2 hours has been on the table for nearly a month. I believe Mr. Condon et al drank every last drop of the "Alex Smith is King of the World" Cool-Aid/Vitriol that was spewing in the latter half of last season and this off season. Said Cool-Aid/Vitriol, while very tasty, was the product of a table of one. The lone individual at this table was none other than Jim Harbaugh himself, fully loaded with microphone in hand. Harbaugh has told anyone who would listen what his opinion of Alex is. Actions, however, speak louder than words. When the Condon/Smith factory decided it was not in their best interest to sign the 3 yr/24 million purported offer in front of them, they invited Mssrs Harbaugh and Balke to test a little theory called supply and demand. The supply of starting caliber quarterbacks was bolstered by Peyton Manning. The demand of starting caliber quarterbacks has been dwindling by the day. The 49ers supplied Alex with what they thought was a fair offer. Regrettably, the Condon/Smith camp disagreed. The lack of Smith to agree to the contract offered a month ago is what set this chain of events into motion. The 49ers did nothing different than Alex. While Condon/Smith rested on their laurels and pursued a better deal, so did the 49ers. Alex Smith wanted 5 years. He was offered 3. This was not enough. The 49ers then pursued Manning. Their offer was not enough. This brings us back to square one. The supply and demand curve for the services for Alex Smith yields the fact that the original offer that the 49ers gave to Smith/Condon (the exact same offer he is now signing) is not in equilibrium with the supply and demand curve. Alex is being overpaid for what the market will bear. The 49ers are overpaying him as a sign of good faith. I think Mad Dog is brilliant with his draftniks, however, I do disagree with him here. Tom Condon threw his chest out and Trent Baalke poked him in it to remind him who is in charge of this team. Brilliant move by the 49ers front office. The idea that this was handled without class could be a valid point, but only when considered with the fact that Tom Condon and Alex Smith tried to strong arm the 49ers into a 5 year deal when the market only will bear a 2-3 year deal at 5-8 million a year. The 49ers were backed into a corner and tried to cut a better deal for themselves. Baalke evidently has a plan for Kaepernick and it is a 1-3 year plan. He will not be deterred. Not by Tom Condon, and not by Alex Smith. Bravo. All is well in Ninerland


That's a good synopsis.

Alex might be a little overpaid, but it would look pitiful for him to except less than he was originally offered. Now that would truly be a slap in the face. I think at some point you have to supply a little bit of "good faith" in spite of the market.
Originally posted by horsecore:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
They proved that they have no class. This was handled horribly

Yeah right, it was handled perfectly.

Alex had no other options, niners knew that. When Alex tried to play hardball we took a good look at Peyton like we should have. When that fell through we knew Alex would always be around. There were no other places for Alex. SF was his best and only option.

Nothing they should have done differently.

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Originally posted by excelsior:
I agree with MadDog. The handling of this matter was awkward and avoidable - even amaturish. After all, Baalke is really new at this GM thing and has a great deal to learn. Unfortunately, he won the "NFL Executive of the Year Award" and probably thinks he knows it all already. Things went very swimmingly last year - almost too good. Frankly, things kind of broke our way a bit last year.

How to better handle this? They should have been straight up and open with Alex when they decided to make a try at Manning, and given him a chance to explore his options earlier when they were exploring theirs. When Manning spurned the 49ers, they should have increased their offer to Alex in light of a number of things, one of which was to send a signal to the rest of the team that Alex is truely valued. This way the team will be more inclined to be enthused about the coming year. Instead, they have effectively told the world that they do not think that Alex is very good, and we will see if that has any adverse effect down the road.

There is no doubt that Harbaugh and Baalke are a vast improvement over the previous cast of bumblers, but they are not perfect and each has a little bit to learn yet. Remember, one can argue that Harbaugh lost the NFCC game when he/STs coach failed to instruct Kyle to be more protective of the ball, especially after watching him be reckless twice before the third one put a stake through our heart. The NYG organization was smart enough to order their KR/PR to go down as soon as they fielded the wet ball. Yes, I said it - I think Harbaugh was outcoached that game.

Wow,
You say "They should have been straight up and open with Alex when they decided to make a try at Manning, and given him a chance to explore his options earlier when they were exploring theirs".
What if Alex signs a deal somewhere at the start of FA like a lot of other QB's did. Then we have no Manning or Alex.

And "they should have increased their offer to Alex" Why? For hurt feeling? come on. It's not like they were saying Alex is bad, just not as good as one of the best QB's ever.

So what you're saying Baalke did wrong was; He tried to get a major upgrade at QB while he still kept Alex by stringing him along, and hopefully he didn't give Alex a single dime extra for hurt feeling considering there is now no market for him.

Sounds pretty pro to me.

You don't see the Titans giving Matt or Locker a few bucks for their hurt feelings do you?
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
They proved that they have no class. This was handled horribly

Yeah upgraading a position of need with a free agent at the spot.

Very horrible indeed. Now the a*****es are giving him 20 million dollars
Have a feeling Trent is not happy with Alex and will do whatever he can to end this in the future.

We got tweets that Alex was working on the deal and Trent leaves to go run 6 miles......? Maybe Jim wanted Alex and Trent didn't, Trent went after his guy and struck out. Doesn't Trent have control over the roster or does Jim?

Do we see Trent try to trade Alex if he has another good year and his value goes up?
Originally posted by jreff22:
Have a feeling Trent is not happy with Alex and will do whatever he can to end this in the future.

We got tweets that Alex was working on the deal and Trent leaves to go run 6 miles......? Maybe Jim wanted Alex and Trent didn't, Trent went after his guy and struck out. Doesn't Trent have control over the roster or does Jim?

Do we see Trent try to trade Alex if he has another good year and his value goes up?

the gm does. thats how it should b
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Have a feeling Trent is not happy with Alex and will do whatever he can to end this in the future.

We got tweets that Alex was working on the deal and Trent leaves to go run 6 miles......? Maybe Jim wanted Alex and Trent didn't, Trent went after his guy and struck out. Doesn't Trent have control over the roster or does Jim?

Do we see Trent try to trade Alex if he has another good year and his value goes up?

the gm does. thats how it should b

didnt remember...I know Jim was asked when he was hired but I didnt remember the answer
Originally posted by jreff22:
Have a feeling Trent is not happy with Alex and will do whatever he can to end this in the future.

We got tweets that Alex was working on the deal and Trent leaves to go run 6 miles......? Maybe Jim wanted Alex and Trent didn't, Trent went after his guy and struck out. Doesn't Trent have control over the roster or does Jim?

Do we see Trent try to trade Alex if he has another good year and his value goes up?

LOL. How could Trent be unhappy with Alex? He is the best available QB to this team. And there will never be a trade market for Alex freaking Smith.
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Have a feeling Trent is not happy with Alex and will do whatever he can to end this in the future.

We got tweets that Alex was working on the deal and Trent leaves to go run 6 miles......? Maybe Jim wanted Alex and Trent didn't, Trent went after his guy and struck out. Doesn't Trent have control over the roster or does Jim?

Do we see Trent try to trade Alex if he has another good year and his value goes up?

LOL. How could Trent be unhappy with Alex? He is the best available QB to this team. And there will never be a trade market for Alex freaking Smith.

Trent has never been high on Alex, that has been proven.
Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
Originally posted by horsecore:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
They proved that they have no class. This was handled horribly

Yeah right, it was handled perfectly.

Alex had no other options, niners knew that. When Alex tried to play hardball we took a good look at Peyton like we should have. When that fell through we knew Alex would always be around. There were no other places for Alex. SF was his best and only option.

Nothing they should have done differently.

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