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Poll: Peyton or Alex?

Poll: Peyton or Alex?

Originally posted by MarkD:
I don't believe the Harbaugh and Balke are very serious about signing Manning for these reasons. I think they jumped in to the mix because it would add another team and take up more time for Manning to make a decision. The Cardinals did not have time because of the decision that needed to be made on Kolb. Balke also signs guys on their way up in their career's not on the back side of their careers. Harbaugh has been sold on Smith since day one. Why would that change all of a sudden. Look at the salary cap hit we would take to with Manning vs Smith. Denver has alot more caps space than the 49ers.

Because a QB like Manning does not come around very often, maybe the 49ers thought they had zero chance of getting Manning and then Manning had his agent make a phone call, if the 49ers wanted to stall they would have waited till today to fly out, not tuesday. Manning was never going to sign with Zona, they never had a chance at him.
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Why are people assuming we're going to cater this offense to boost Manning's stats or something? Peyton himself stated he didn't necessarily want the offense to be like it was in Indianapolis, where it was pass, pass, screen, pass, pass, pass, pass, run, pass. If we sign Peyton Manning, one of the greatest QBs in the history of the league, he might make some of those throws that Alex overthrew Crabtree on. The reason Peyton won only a single Super Bowl is because the team in Indy sucked: look what happened when he went down. We got to the NFC Championship and was one Kyle Williams Skyrim experience from the Super Bowl. If Peyton comes here, it does nothing but improve our offense.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by KID9R:
So you're saying have trust in Jim and Baalke except when it comes to getting possibly the best QB to ever play the game?*

*Should come with an asterisk. The Colts didn't want anything to do with him after 4 neck surgery. When they could have kept him to bring along luck. He's looking for a payday before he retires.
They didn't keep him cause he was about to cash in on some guaranteed money
Originally posted by modninerfan:
Originally posted by 49erJim:
I just don't see Alex Smith having another season like he had in 2011. This season is going to be harder on him. That being said our defense is good enough to take us to the playoffs, once we get there is Alex Smith going to be good enough to get us into the super bowl? Not so sure about that, Manning on the other hand could be GREAT with the 49ers for 3 or 4 years with the defense we have and another WR and a few better O-Line Men.

lol, and what makes you think we'll accomplish that when Manning is asking for 25 million a year?
Lack of knowledge makes him think that. These guys still think we're in the days of Eddie D. paying anyone and everyone whatever they want. Our payroll was so far beyond every other team it was ridiculous.

Let's all say it together.... SALARY CAP!!!
Originally posted by modninerfan:
Originally posted by 49erJim:
I just don't see Alex Smith having another season like he had in 2011. This season is going to be harder on him. That being said our defense is good enough to take us to the playoffs, once we get there is Alex Smith going to be good enough to get us into the super bowl? Not so sure about that, Manning on the other hand could be GREAT with the 49ers for 3 or 4 years with the defense we have and another WR and a few better O-Line Men.

lol, and what makes you think we'll accomplish that when Manning is asking for 25 million a year?
we will be able to find a way, Manning will work with whatever team he signs with, he wants to be a winner, he will have to with Denver or the Tights as well.
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Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by KID9R:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by Furlow:
I voted for Alex because I'm smart enough to look at the big picture. Of course if all else was equal, you take Manning in a heartbeat. But all else is NOT equal, not even close. Manning is much older, on the downside of his career, and is coming off of multiple neck surgeries. I don't care what any doctor says, that is serious. This is football fellas, injuries happen. And when you're coming off one surgery, let alone four, your chances are multiplied.

Let's not forget the small fact that Manning will cost probably triple what Alex Smith will cost. That means we'll have to cut certain players and fill those spots with inferior players. You think we'll be able to extend Bowman? Aldon Smith? Crabtree? No, we won't. This would give us at best a two year window to win Super Bowls, that's it. A back-loaded contract (which is all we could offer) would hamper us so badly in the 3rd-5th years that our team would be decimated at that point. Manning retires, and we're starting from scratch again. Call me crazy, but after 10 years of being a joke of a franchise, I'm not ready to go back to that again just for a chance at 1 or 2 Super Bowls.

it's a shame what happened to this fan base.

Translation. You would rather win 9 games a year, a playoff win every 3 years as opposed to being a contender for 3 years.

Sad its come to this.

9 wins? We won 14 games last year and were one knee away from the Super Bowl. So let's take that formula, blow it up, and replace it with putting a huge emphasis on one player who is old and injured.

All I'm saying is we have awesome momentum with what Baalke and Harbaugh have built so far. Smart, sensible contracts that emphasize a team concept. Why not just keep riding that wave and see where it goes?

So you're saying have trust in Jim and Baalke except when it comes to getting possibly the best QB to ever play the game?

If they can get him to sign a sensible contract (2-3 years at $12 mil to $15 mil per) then hell yes, let's get him. I just think that there's no way he'll do that. He'll want guaranteed, back loaded money, which will severely deplete our roster in those later years.

Nobody guaranties the back end of the deal. If you look at the link it's 60 mil guaranteed in the FIRST 2 years of the deal. The salary cap is supposed to take a big jump next year with the new tv contracts commit in. If he's playing he's worth the money, yes? So if he's not playing he'll retire and then we'll be completely off the hook for salary.
[ Edited by KID9R on Mar 16, 2012 at 3:49 PM ]
Originally posted by RonMexico:
hes injured?

Ok, change it to 4 or whatever number of neck surgeries he has had. Obviously, with any player 1 wrong hit can end a career but with Manning the risk is higher. You guys seen how elusive Alex was in the pocket at times. He had some nice escapes only to have 3 more guys await him. If the OL plays like it did at times last year Manning will be getting a lot of intentional groundings and falling down waiting to get touched sacks.
.........really?


Salary cap increasing by massive amounts over the next few years.
[ Edited by Bootlegger on Mar 16, 2012 at 3:46 PM ]
depends on the cost... it's all about the $$$ in this league and we might not (ok there is a 90% chance) have enough to sign him and do what we want to do with the team in the immediate future... THIS IS WHY THE REDSKINS ARE TERRIBLE PEOPLE
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by KID9R:
So you're saying have trust in Jim and Baalke except when it comes to getting possibly the best QB to ever play the game?*

*Should come with an asterisk. The Colts didn't want anything to do with him after 4 neck surgery. When they could have kept him to bring along luck. He's looking for a payday before he retires.
They didn't keep him cause he was about to cash in on some guaranteed money

No they cut him because they couldn't pass on Luck
Originally posted by Ether:
Why are people assuming we're going to cater this offense to boost Manning's stats or something? Peyton himself stated he didn't necessarily want the offense to be like it was in Indianapolis, where it was pass, pass, screen, pass, pass, pass, pass, run, pass. If we sign Peyton Manning, one of the greatest QBs in the history of the league, he might make some of those throws that Alex overthrew Crabtree on. The reason Peyton won only a single Super Bowl is because the team in Indy sucked: look what happened when he went down. We got to the NFC Championship and was one Kyle Williams Skyrim experience from the Super Bowl. If Peyton comes here, it does nothing but improve our offense.

unless he has a hard time learning the playbook... in which case we might do well the first few games but teams catch on to the few plays we run and start beating us... this is all hypothetical of course
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by modninerfan:
Originally posted by 49erJim:
I just don't see Alex Smith having another season like he had in 2011. This season is going to be harder on him. That being said our defense is good enough to take us to the playoffs, once we get there is Alex Smith going to be good enough to get us into the super bowl? Not so sure about that, Manning on the other hand could be GREAT with the 49ers for 3 or 4 years with the defense we have and another WR and a few better O-Line Men.

lol, and what makes you think we'll accomplish that when Manning is asking for 25 million a year?
Lack of knowledge makes him think that. These guys still think we're in the days of Eddie D. paying anyone and everyone whatever they want. Our payroll was so far beyond every other team it was ridiculous.

Let's all say it together.... SALARY CAP!!!

I bet I have more knowledge then you, that being said, the 49ers can make the numbers work, Manning will get whatever he wants from any team he wants to sign with. Thats the way it works in pro sports with the superstars. The 49ers have a great defense, the offense needs huge help. Manning fills most of that huge help......
Originally posted by GhostofJimmyDean:
As of this posting 34% of 122 people have voted for Alex Smith.

41 people on the Webzone are retarded strong.

41 people are taking into account that 5 years 90 million with 60 is absurd for a 35 year old QB coming off 4 neck surgeries.
Originally posted by gage:
Better overall qb? Manning.
Better qb for our team? Alex


This, Peyton costs too much.