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We should thank Brian Billick

  • KRS-1
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Originally posted by NatralBrnThrila:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by NatralBrnThrila:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Correct me if wrong, but back then, Kyle Boller was pretty decent until all of the injuries derailed his Baltimore career.

???

I know they had issues at WR similar to our own for years, which is something definitely worth mentioning, but as I remember it, Boller was inconsistent as hell...why is this all sounding so damn familiar

My memories of him are extremely faded though. On to youtube...(Insert THE JOKE here)

Billick hired Bill Walsh disciple Jim Fassel to personally develop Kyle Boller.

...That is NOT, "THE JOKE" just kidding dude. I hear ya, but that statement can be twisted a number of different ways and I'm not gonna touch it.

Simply put, I wouldn't F that statement with your D; I'm far too classy...unless your statement was a +size momma with too much gin in her. Woot!

I'm simply putting it out there before this turns into a "Billick can't develop QB's see : Kyle Boller" discussion. And let's not twist this into anyone thinking I'm saying Billick can develop QB's or that I am on the Billick bandwagon.

Just want to keep facts straight for arguments sake.
  • dj43
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Originally posted by ptw1:
I live in bmore so I know a lot about Billick. He would be my 3rd choice behind JG and JH. If Jamal Lewis didnt get hurt in the preseason they would have easily won back to back super bowls. and of course, if that happen, Elvis may not have lost the love of the game and no telling how many more championships they could have won. Billick's offense in bmore isnt a reflection on him. He was working short-handed as the salary-cap was 60/40 in favor of the defense. In that situation, a top QB (which Elvis was close too) could make up the difference but an average to slightly above average QB can not overcome that. Eventually, his message wore on the players. I'm sure he's learned from being away from the game. He would be a significant up-grade as a coach from the 9ers past few coaches.
In the interview I heard recently, Billick noted that in his time doing color for TV, he has visited all the team headquarters and talked to players and coaches, seen how admin run the operation, and watched practices. In all of that he admitted he has learned a lot from the experience. He submitted that if he were to go back into coaching, he would be a lot better coach for the experience.

So while that may have been a message sent to further his chances of becoming a coach again, there is also likely a large bit of truth in it as well.

Thanks for your insight into his time in Baltimore.
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Originally posted by backontop:
Billick gave Singletary a game plan???
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by baltien:
Originally posted by redmanc07:
Stay within your own standards. Who did he exactly have in Bal to use on O? We all saw Trent Dilfer live and in person here and your telling me thats what he had to work with? We have better tools than they did on O and if we can get a coach that can figure out how to use the most freakish athlete at the TE position then we would probably be better off.

It's not necessarily a matter of who he had to work with. It's a matter of how can a coach be so inept at his supposed specialty? I mean, eight years presiding over an offense and you couldn't get them to be at least average?

There's no excuse for that.

***EDIT***

But since you mentioned it, the "no QB to work with" excuse is total crap. Trent Dilfer wasn't the best QB, but he was winning games. And Elvis Grbac, Kordell Stewart, and Steve McNair were all Pro Bowlers that played under Billick.

In the backfield he had Priest Holmes, and Jamal Lewis. At TE he had Heap.

His offenses sucked because he didn't know what he was doing. Not because he didn't have talent to work with.

I wouldn't be thrilled with Billick being hired, but at the same time, people seem to think that the ONLY reason he did well in Minnesota was because of Randy Moss. He was only there for Moss's rookie season. Even before than, the offenses he ran in Minneota finished near the top of the league. finishing in the top 10 in yards and points four times and the top 5 twice. Again, this is before Randy Moss.

In regards to the talent in Baltimore, it sounds like he had a less talented team than we do on offense. I don't really count Priest Holmes because he didn't really get going until he got to Kansas City. Jamal Lewis was a good back, who had one outstanding season. That leaves Todd Heap and a slew of good (McNair), but mostly average to terrible (Dilfer, Boller, Grbac, Stewart) quaterbacks and a front office that focused mainly on the defense.

I wouldn't be thrilled with the hire, but I won't write him off as a terrible offensive mind either.
McNair was on the backside of his career when he got to Baltimore and was injured a good part of the season. The rest of the QBs he had there were warm mush.

Billick actually did a very good job with what he had with the Ravens. He had great players on defense and he focused his game plans to take advantage of that strength.

If anyone cares to look at him realistically they would see he would be a very good hire: He showed very good offensive insight with one team and good defense with another. That sounds like a pretty well-rounded coach to me.

I don't know who might agree to come here next year but one can make just as strong a case for Billick as for Gruden. Since I have no illusions of Holmgren coming here to coach, I would be just fine with Billick as HC.

I think you misunderstood my post. I was defending Brian Billick, saying that he only had Randy Moss for one season in Minnesota yet still produced some pretty good offenses, year in and year out. As for Baltimore, he worked with the parts he was given on offense, which weren't much. He would have more to work with in San Francisco than he ever had in Baltimore, so I would expect to see better production if Billick were the coach. However, he is not my top choice.
Originally posted by 49ERSAM:
The tips/game plan he gave MS was awesome.

i didn't hear this before..what tips and when did billick meet with Sing?
Originally posted by NatralBrnThrila:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by NatralBrnThrila:
This inflammatory statement really gained some traction in good ol' NT lol! Go back and read Sam's first 3 posts and witness the subsequent fan boy hard on that was incited, then tell me this isn't the official "I want Brian Billick to coach the 9ers/have his anal babies" thread.

Way to plant those seeds Sam. I'll never underestimate your sneaky ever again

IMO, Brian Billick is one of the worst choices we could make at HC as he seems to need to walk into the ideal scenario to succeed.....sounds familiar We have our own version of Culpepper i.e: a dumbass that can throw 50 yard seeds while "gettin' his roll on" (Nate), but no Randy Moss' on this roster. The offensive lines...why bother making the comparisons; ours is injured but getting better, that's the most Canadian way I can think of to put it. Let's not even get into looking at his past defenses and compare them to ours because it's pretty much just embarrassing; we should be ashamed to call ourselves a 3-4 and that is also the most Canadian way I can think of to say that

Besides, every QB he ever had who performed, was a proven vet that he ran into by accident, or exhibit A back there; he never was able to draft and develop his own guy during his entire tenure as Ravens HC. That's all on him and the people he hired.
Ozzie Newsome runs the draft in Baltimore. That is not to say that the HC doesn't have input but Newsome has the final word and it is clear that Newsome has a better eye for defensive players than offense.

All due respect but, I'm not sure I'm buying what you're selling seeing what Harbaugh has been able to do with the same personnel guy.

There's a lot of variables and I'm not going to pretend I have any form of inside knowledge of Ozzie and Brian's relationship, but 8 years is a long time and Harbaugh's impact was as immediate as it gets in the NFL. Not the be all end all argument of the year, but I can't ignore it either.

Harbaugh has had Joe Flacco from the start. Big difference. If Billick had gotten the Steve McNair of 1999 - 2004, we would've saw a better offense in Baltimore.
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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by baltien:
Originally posted by redmanc07:
Stay within your own standards. Who did he exactly have in Bal to use on O? We all saw Trent Dilfer live and in person here and your telling me thats what he had to work with? We have better tools than they did on O and if we can get a coach that can figure out how to use the most freakish athlete at the TE position then we would probably be better off.

It's not necessarily a matter of who he had to work with. It's a matter of how can a coach be so inept at his supposed specialty? I mean, eight years presiding over an offense and you couldn't get them to be at least average?

There's no excuse for that.

***EDIT***

But since you mentioned it, the "no QB to work with" excuse is total crap. Trent Dilfer wasn't the best QB, but he was winning games. And Elvis Grbac, Kordell Stewart, and Steve McNair were all Pro Bowlers that played under Billick.

In the backfield he had Priest Holmes, and Jamal Lewis. At TE he had Heap.

His offenses sucked because he didn't know what he was doing. Not because he didn't have talent to work with.

I wouldn't be thrilled with Billick being hired, but at the same time, people seem to think that the ONLY reason he did well in Minnesota was because of Randy Moss. He was only there for Moss's rookie season. Even before than, the offenses he ran in Minneota finished near the top of the league. finishing in the top 10 in yards and points four times and the top 5 twice. Again, this is before Randy Moss.

In regards to the talent in Baltimore, it sounds like he had a less talented team than we do on offense. I don't really count Priest Holmes because he didn't really get going until he got to Kansas City. Jamal Lewis was a good back, who had one outstanding season. That leaves Todd Heap and a slew of good (McNair), but mostly average to terrible (Dilfer, Boller, Grbac, Stewart) quaterbacks and a front office that focused mainly on the defense.

I wouldn't be thrilled with the hire, but I won't write him off as a terrible offensive mind either.
McNair was on the backside of his career when he got to Baltimore and was injured a good part of the season. The rest of the QBs he had there were warm mush.

Billick actually did a very good job with what he had with the Ravens. He had great players on defense and he focused his game plans to take advantage of that strength.

If anyone cares to look at him realistically they would see he would be a very good hire: He showed very good offensive insight with one team and good defense with another. That sounds like a pretty well-rounded coach to me.

I don't know who might agree to come here next year but one can make just as strong a case for Billick as for Gruden. Since I have no illusions of Holmgren coming here to coach, I would be just fine with Billick as HC.

I think you misunderstood my post. I was defending Brian Billick, saying that he only had Randy Moss for one season in Minnesota yet still produced some pretty good offenses, year in and year out. As for Baltimore, he worked with the parts he was given on offense, which weren't much. He would have more to work with in San Francisco than he ever had in Baltimore, so I would expect to see better production if Billick were the coach. However, he is not my top choice.
Sorry if it sounded like I was disagreeing with you. I was just making a general comment related to his time in Balti.

Related; I don't have a "top" choice. Gruden would be nice but I have some doubts about his ability to build a team. Harbaugh would be nice but though he was a pro QB, he has never coached at that level. Holmgren clearly became burned out in Seattle, and at his age, I am not sure he would bring the fire needed to put this team on the high road again. (I think his stock is more valued on this board than it is around the league) That brings me to Billick and he has some warts just like these other guys. Frankly, I would be fine with any of them but Billick certainly has a much to offer as any of the others, IMO.
Originally posted by baltien:
Originally posted by E-49er:
I think what happen with the Ravens offense while Billick was there was the same thing that happened here since the nolan era started. Too many mistakes at the QB position. Billick had Dilfer,Grbac and Boller as his main starting QBs (anthony wright,jeff blake and chris redman bridged the gap betweeb Grbac and Boller.) We all know Dilfer was asked to just not make mistakes and then was pushed out after the Superbowl to make room for Grbac who retired after just 1 season with the Ravens after playing good in spot duty for the niners. We all know what happened when Boller started. The problem is when you miss at the QB position it sets your franchise back significantly.

If Billick can get the right QB under center for the 49ers if hired, I believe he has enough creativity from his OC calling days at Minnesota to make the 49er offense a formidable one. The other offensive weapins are in place.

I disagree, and am getting pretty alarmed with how the fans here will selectively dismiss a coach's ineptitude just because they think he'll be a good hire.

Brian Billick is a terrible offensive mind. Period. I don't really think it was that hard to call deep routes (in Minnesota) when you had Chris Carter and Randy Moss. He coached the Ravens EIGHT years and his offenses were routinely ranked near the bottom of the league.

I'm not sure if I understand why the same people that want Singletary fired after two and a half years because of his struggles with the offense, but openly support someone who had quadruple that amount of time to get it done and couldn't.

Why should Billick and Gruden get the "he didn't have a QB" pass but not Sing? Especially when they had way longer to show some progress?

Don't mistake this as support for keeping Sing, because I definitely want him gone.

But seriously.....I don't get it.

Who said I was giving Billick a pass? I simply said there was too many mistakes made at the QB position. It was Billick that picked these QB's and it was billick that forced Dilfer out. What I was trying to say is that you can't judge Billicks ability to call an offense based solely on what was done in Baltimore. When billick had weapons and a QB that could get the ball to those weapons he was an pretty effective play caller.

Again before Flaco, Baltimore's QB situation looked alot like ours. Billick would not be my first choice but if Harbaugh and Gruden decide not to come here, I think he is a viable option and could get more out of this offense then Sing and Nolan ever could.
Ceadderman...try Zicam...I've had some pretty nasty colds and it's worked every time. Used to use the gel form of it...but they outlawed it 'cause some people supposedly lost some sense of smell. Anyway, it's great stuff...I'm sure it'll help you.
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Ceadderman...try Zicam...I've had some pretty nasty colds and it's worked every time. Used to use the gel form of it...but they outlawed it 'cause some people supposedly lost some sense of smell. Anyway, it's great stuff...I'm sure it'll help you.

I generally get the NyQuill liquigells, but I'll give that Zicam a try. I finally fell off at about 11 this morning, but I was back up at 3. I already have sleep issues as it is so this cold is really messin with me. At this point even the sniffer could use a break so I would take those gels if they help.

Preciate the heads up Corva.

~Ceadder
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by backontop:
Billick gave Singletary a game plan???
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Billick seems like the type of hire the Yorks would make: dry and uninspiring.
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Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Billick seems like the type of hire the Yorks would make: dry and uninspiring.

eh, I think you are judging him a bit harshly. He does have a pretty good sense of humor but he does have some Bill Walsh in him in that he is more business-like than someone like Rex Ryan.

Billick speaks of Walsh often when talking football and gives him kudos for being a major influence in his life. I don't know if you were around when Walsh was still coaching here but Walsh's pressers were not the most inspiring. They were focused and to the point but not necessarily "entertaining."

Again, I don't have a big preference about who comes here to coach. I have a list of 5 guys who would be fine and Brian Billick is one of those.
Originally posted by E-49er:
Who said I was giving Billick a pass? I simply said there was too many mistakes made at the QB position. It was Billick that picked these QB's and it was billick that forced Dilfer out. What I was trying to say is that you can't judge Billicks ability to call an offense based solely on what was done in Baltimore. When billick had weapons and a QB that could get the ball to those weapons he was an pretty effective play caller.

Again before Flaco, Baltimore's QB situation looked alot like ours. Billick would not be my first choice but if Harbaugh and Gruden decide not to come here, I think he is a viable option and could get more out of this offense then Sing and Nolan ever could.


Uhhh, wasn't that Ozzie Newsome?
(I know Billick was there for two years before Newsome but Brian was not the GM.)