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Are the Niners for real?

Are the Niners for real?

Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by BigRon:
Originally posted by bigmur49:
I think we fall in the 9 win category. Win the West and get blown out in the 1st round. Our D is looking great, and might be a really great unit for the next few years but the Offense still scares me. Take out the two big runs and Gore has like 60 yards in two games. It doesn't seem like we can move the ball consistently on the ground, and other than the one big drive against the Cards it seems we can't move it consistently in the air either. Plus, as the announcers pointed out, some of our play calling makes you scratch your head to say the least.

We find out Sunday.

I agree. Raye opened it up more from week 1 but our pass rush dropped off completely so it's hard to say yet. But at least we're showing potential. This WILL be a big test.

Unless we lose because we fumbled the ball 3 times or something. I don't think a loss will tell us anything. It will just tell us winning isn't easy because who knows how we respond after a loss. We could respond strong the rest of the season.
If Sing's changes up the playbook - 9 wins
If Sing sticks with smush mouth crapball - 6 wins
Originally posted by NattoNiner:
If Sing's changes up the playbook - 9 wins
If Sing sticks with smush mouth crapball - 6 wins

Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by Icelandic49er:
Originally posted by dobophile:
With this o-line and Shaun Hill, we aren't going far.

thats right

lol, haters.

I've been making a list of Zoners with quotes; later in the season, I will rub it in their faces.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dobophile:
Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by Icelandic49er:
Originally posted by dobophile:
With this o-line and Shaun Hill, we aren't going far.

thats right

lol, haters.

Well, I have to ask: do you think we ARE going far?

Within the NFC, we can't get past New Orleans, New York, Dallas, or Atlanta. We have a chance against Minnesota and Green Bay and Philadelphia and Chicago. We'll probably win the West, and then get smoked in the playoffs.

Our defense and special teams are excellent. We have a top 10 RB, a surprisingly good TE, and serviceable WRs. But our offense sucks because of our o-line and our QB.

Shaun Hill is precisely the kind of guy I would want as a backup QB . . . you know, he can come in when needed and, through craftiness and hard work, maybe manage to tough out a win. I support him, and I love it when he makes something good happen, but he misses a lot of opportunities to throw it down field. Some of that has to do with his questionable arm strength, and some of that has to do with his scrambling and dipping and ducking.

But, yeah, he's better than Alex Smith. Whatever that means.

I still don't see what Shaun Hill hasn't done that makes you think he can't be a top 15 QB? If the only thing you can say is that he didn't throw to some open guys when he had a lead, then that's a weak argument because he hit a lot of open guys last year.

Besides not throwing to open guys when in terrible field position while in the lead during a game, what else makes you think he is no better than a backup?

It's up to Shaun Hill to show that he can be a top 15 QB. I've watched him play many times over the last couple seasons, and from what I've seen, he's basically a gutsy, noodle-armed guy with respectable leadership skills. Unless we give him an all-time great defense and a vastly improved o-line, Shaun Hill will at best lead us to the playoffs and lose. Maybe we'll catch a break or two and make it to the NFC championship.

He could prove me wrong. I really hope he does.
[ Edited by dobophile on Sep 23, 2009 at 1:23 PM ]
Originally posted by dobophile:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dobophile:
Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by Icelandic49er:
Originally posted by dobophile:
With this o-line and Shaun Hill, we aren't going far.

thats right

lol, haters.

Well, I have to ask: do you think we ARE going far?

Within the NFC, we can't get past New Orleans, New York, Dallas, or Atlanta. We have a chance against Minnesota and Green Bay and Philadelphia and Chicago. We'll probably win the West, and then get smoked in the playoffs.

Our defense and special teams are excellent. We have a top 10 RB, a surprisingly good TE, and serviceable WRs. But our offense sucks because of our o-line and our QB.

Shaun Hill is precisely the kind of guy I would want as a backup QB . . . you know, he can come in when needed and, through craftiness and hard work, maybe manage to tough out a win. I support him, and I love it when he makes something good happen, but he misses a lot of opportunities to throw it down field. Some of that has to do with his questionable arm strength, and some of that has to do with his scrambling and dipping and ducking.

But, yeah, he's better than Alex Smith. Whatever that means.

I still don't see what Shaun Hill hasn't done that makes you think he can't be a top 15 QB? If the only thing you can say is that he didn't throw to some open guys when he had a lead, then that's a weak argument because he hit a lot of open guys last year.

Besides not throwing to open guys when in terrible field position while in the lead during a game, what else makes you think he is no better than a backup?

It's up to Shaun Hill to show that he can be a top 15 QB. I've watched him play many times over the last couple seasons, and from what I've seen, he's basically a gutsy, noodle-armed guy with respectable leadership skills. Unless we give him an all-time great defense and a vastly improved o-line, Shaun Hill will at best lead us to second round of the playoffs.

You forgot accurate with an above average rating and high winning percentage.
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by Icelandic49er:
Originally posted by dobophile:
With this o-line and Shaun Hill, we aren't going far.

thats right

lol, haters.

I've been making a list of Zoners with quotes; later in the season, I will rub it in their faces.

Joecool, dude, this all comes down to opinion based on what you see with your own two eyes. I like Shaun Hill, and I hope he leads us to a title. I just don't see it happening.

For it to happen, though, we would need to drastically upgrade the o-line and transform our excellent defense into one of the all-time greats, like Baltimore several years ago. Under those circumstances, I believe Shaun Hill can win a Super Bowl.

So, yeah, I'm not super optimistic about this season. I think we'll win 9 games or so, and probably win the West. But, c'mon, 2007 wasn't that long ago. We can't turn this craptastic franchise around thatquickly.
[ Edited by dobophile on Sep 23, 2009 at 1:18 PM ]
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Shaun Hill=weakest link, other than that things look to be headed in the right direction , but they've been 2-0 before and things went south , if the beat 'Sota they could really be on their way IMO
Originally posted by dobophile:
Joecool, dude, this all comes down to opinion based on what you see with your own two eyes. I like Shaun Hill, and I hope he leads us to a title. I just don't see it happening.

For it to happen, though, we would need to drastically upgrade the o-line and transform our excellent defense into one of the all-time greats, like Baltimore several years ago. Under those circumstances, I believe Shaun Hill can win a Super Bowl.

So, yeah, I'm not super optimistic about this season. I think we'll win 9 games or so, and probably win the West. But, c'mon, 2007 wasn't that long ago. We can't turn this craptastic franchise around thatquickly.


Tell that to Miami and Atlanta.
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by dobophile:
Joecool, dude, this all comes down to opinion based on what you see with your own two eyes. I like Shaun Hill, and I hope he leads us to a title. I just don't see it happening.

For it to happen, though, we would need to drastically upgrade the o-line and transform our excellent defense into one of the all-time greats, like Baltimore several years ago. Under those circumstances, I believe Shaun Hill can win a Super Bowl.

So, yeah, I'm not super optimistic about this season. I think we'll win 9 games or so, and probably win the West. But, c'mon, 2007 wasn't that long ago. We can't turn this craptastic franchise around thatquickly.


Tell that to Miami and Atlanta.

OK, then. How about this? Mike Nolan was our coach as recently as 2008, and we still have Alex Smith (albeit at a reduced rate now). So, yeah, we're still trying to turn this franchise around. And, BTW, I don't see Miami or Atlanta going that far, either.

Are we headed in the right direction? Yes, definitely. Are we contenders yet? No, I don't think so. What are our main areas of concern? IMO, and you can disagree all you want, our main areas of concern are QB and o-line. If we address those weaknesses, we'll have one of the top teams in the league.

We'd better do it soon, because I would hate for us to waste Gore's most productive years.
Originally posted by dobophile:
Joecool, dude, this all comes down to opinion based on what you see with your own two eyes. I like Shaun Hill, and I hope he leads us to a title. I just don't see it happening.

For it to happen, though, we would need to drastically upgrade the o-line and transform our excellent defense into one of the all-time greats, like Baltimore several years ago. Under those circumstances, I believe Shaun Hill can win a Super Bowl.

So, yeah, I'm not super optimistic about this season. I think we'll win 9 games or so, and probably win the West. But, c'mon, 2007 wasn't that long ago. We can't turn this craptastic franchise around thatquickly.

that is the thing about NinerTalk, you can't have opinions that is different than someone elses. Then you just get accused of "picking a fight" Internet people internet
Originally posted by dobophile:
Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by Icelandic49er:
Originally posted by dobophile:
With this o-line and Shaun Hill, we aren't going far.

thats right

lol, haters.

Well, I have to ask: do you think we ARE going far?

Within the NFC, we can't get past New Orleans, New York, Dallas, or Atlanta. We have a chance against Minnesota and Green Bay and Philadelphia and Chicago. We'll probably win the West, and then get smoked in the playoffs.

Our defense and special teams are excellent. We have a top 10 RB, a surprisingly good TE, and serviceable WRs. But our offense sucks because of our o-line and our QB.

Shaun Hill is precisely the kind of guy I would want as a backup QB . . . you know, he can come in when needed and, through craftiness and hard work, maybe manage to tough out a win. I support him, and I love it when he makes something good happen, but he misses a lot of opportunities to throw it down field. Some of that has to do with his questionable arm strength, and some of that has to do with his scrambling and dipping and ducking.

But, yeah, he's better than Alex Smith. Whatever that means.

I am refraining on thinking too hard about how far they will go, and just watching with an open mind. I've gotten my criticism out of the way during the offseason, and now I am sitting back enjoying this season. And so far it has been fun to watch.

At least after two games they have been for real. The Cards are good team. They didn't go to the Superbowl as a fluke team. They dominated their competition in the playoffs, and lost to the Steelers by a hair.

So what is see is a coach the team is behind 100% barking at them they are not good enough. He is going to work those guys hard into getting better. I am a critical fan, but this part is starting to look obvious - that they will continue to improve throughout the year, and not get discouraged by some bumps in the road along the way, unlike under Nolan. So who knows how far they will go? Maybe despite all the good, things won't roll their way, and they will lose too many games. But neither you or I can really predict, because of the bigger picture intangibles of attitude & team chemistry.

So no reason to sound like a hater & predict their doom so early in the season.
[ Edited by djfullshred on Sep 23, 2009 at 2:14 PM ]
Originally posted by dobophile:
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by dobophile:
Joecool, dude, this all comes down to opinion based on what you see with your own two eyes. I like Shaun Hill, and I hope he leads us to a title. I just don't see it happening.

For it to happen, though, we would need to drastically upgrade the o-line and transform our excellent defense into one of the all-time greats, like Baltimore several years ago. Under those circumstances, I believe Shaun Hill can win a Super Bowl.

So, yeah, I'm not super optimistic about this season. I think we'll win 9 games or so, and probably win the West. But, c'mon, 2007 wasn't that long ago. We can't turn this craptastic franchise around thatquickly.


Tell that to Miami and Atlanta.

OK, then. How about this? Mike Nolan was our coach as recently as 2008, and we still have Alex Smith (albeit at a reduced rate now). So, yeah, we're still trying to turn this franchise around. And, BTW, I don't see Miami or Atlanta going that far, either.

Are we headed in the right direction? Yes, definitely. Are we contenders yet? No, I don't think so. What are our main areas of concern? IMO, and you can disagree all you want, our main areas of concern are QB and o-line. If we address those weaknesses, we'll have one of the top teams in the league.

We'd better do it soon, because I would hate for us to waste Gore's most productive years.

On weaknesses, I agree, and I'll add this - even though the pass rush has improved, a Stud pass rusher is still needed also. We will win the NFC West, after that I don't know.
Originally posted by asu49ers:
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Originally posted by cgida:
Originally posted by dobophile:
With this o-line and Shaun Hill, we aren't going far.

i agree. This o-line has surrendered 8 sacks in two games, which will produce more sacks than the last two years. These guys will gell throughout the year but they have been playing in the same positions for over a year, minus Snyder. Where is the continutity that is supposed to be displayed? If Hill keeps getting hit like that each game, he will be on the sidelines soon enough with injuries. We have to be able to protect the QB no matter who he is and right now I am not convinced that we can. This week should give us a good indication of how good ar bad the line really is.

on more than a few of those sacks, Hill held onto the ball way too long. So we could chalk those up to Hill or our WR's not creating separation. But yea, I don't think Hill can take us to the next level. Here's to our top 5 pick next year from Carolina!


Colt has not looked spectacular this year, especially during that Texas Tech game. I would actually prefer Jevan Snead, Jimmy Clausen, or Jake Locker at this point

I am not sold on Colt either. Locker is a Junior BTW and he looks way better this year than in his previous 2. Sounds like he will stick around for his senior season while grooming Nick Montana.