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My thoughts on the Dallas game and where this team is headed

  • SoCold
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If the 9ers don’t have any sacks and it’s week 3 of the regular season that’s a problem. Even teams like the Lions get a gift sack here and there.

I see a lot of the LB’s dropping into coverage working on other areas of the game. No team in preseason is going to unleash their blitz packages they save it for when it counts.

Id rather have 20 QB hurries 10 knockdown and 7 picks in three games then say three sacks a game and 0 interceptions.

“Jimmy Raye is just not creative enough”
Not going to open up the entire playbook for the world to see in preseason 80% has been fundamental base package stuff with a couple wrinkles mixed in. Just enough to get the offensive timing down this team will run, run and run some more then hit a 20 or 30 yard play action pass every now and again, nothing flashy.
Originally posted by kingairta:
Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
Originally posted by kingairta:
This is what you get when you call vanilla plays. The coaching staff is only using these games to work on individual matchups. People cry about pass rush but how many times did we only bring 3-4 guys after the QB?

The only things I didn't like were the WRs not getting the separation and the horrible throws by Hill.

Coffee missed a couple key blocks but that should improve as the season continues.


Yeah the WR's were not getting any seperation and will that change during the regular season? I don't think it will, maybe if we get Crabtree in here this week he can help in Nov and December and Brandon Jones will help some, but I can't see Raye creating a creative scheme and making these guys look better than they are.

I do think Martz made these WR's (and offense?) look better than they really are

Martz also decimated our run game.

But maybe with utilizing more of Davis and Walker will free up our WRs a tad. Plus we still have Bruce who hasn't played all that much this preseason. He may have lost a step but his routes should be spot on and create a threat(fingers crossed).


somehow my post got buried in the quote lol.



Yeah he did but we moved the ball, even when DeShuan Foster was in late last season we moved the ball. The biggest problem with Martz's offense is on 3rd and 1 u had guards pulling 5 yards, tackles pulling inside, it was to complicated just for a 1yd run. I wonder though if he could of tweaked or got rid of it, I mean after all once Singletary took over we did go to more 3 and 5 step drops and the offense was really clicking late in the season, esspecially our passing game.
I agree about Delaine Walker, when he is in there good things seem to happen. He has great hands and he is fearless going over the middle and has shown over and over again he can make the tough catches. Just a really solid football player and his blocking has improved as well.
BOO HOO we can't blitz BUT we're tied for 2nd in preseason picks

BOO HOO our offense cant pass the ball BUT we're in first in rushing (over 170 ypg)

Bottom line...we are playing conservative on both sides of ball and aren't showing our hand

Someone please tell me how many times we even rushed more than 4 guys yet this season on ANY DOWN

Someone please tell me how many passes we attempted

I think we've played our core game in the preseason and we're pretty DAMN good at it in my opinion

Please stop crying till we play an actual game
Originally posted by DynastyPart2:
In my opinion, if the 49ers have another sub-par season, meaning we don't win the division and make the playoffs; the blame falls in large part on Scot McCloughan.

He did not address the most pressing needs on this team and gave us promises that they would be addressed.

1. ROT: What was wrong with trying to get someone like Orlando Pace? We do not draft anyone.

2. Pass rush: This one really makes me mad. This has been a glaring need for many years.

3. QB: More difficult to just get a QB out of thin air; however, they go like gangbusters after broken up old man Warner and offer him millions of guaranteed money, but sit on their hands when Cutler becomes available, and again with Vick. I am no fan of Vick, but why not even try. How about making a trade for one of the QB's in Cleveland? Of course, we as fans do not know what goes on behind closed doors, but if there were something, some information would have been leaked?

4. Michael Crabtree. If Scot was the only GM that didnt do his homework on Michael, and he really is the "diva" that scared off other GM's, then that is cause for immediate termination. Although I was very excited about the pick, I don't get paid to know and evaluate everything about a multimillion dollar investment! How much more could we use Orakpo or Oher? They are both having good camps for their teams.

5. Everette Brown. So far I have not heard anything exciting out of the Panthers camp about Brown. The one game I watched he didn't seem to get much pressure; however, if Brown ends up having a good season with the Panthers, that will further solidify Scots departure.

Now Scot has found some gems (Willis, Gore, Haralson, Morgan, and looks like Coffee) But overall, the GM job has been mediocre.

While I agree with most of what started this thread, I believe that if we had passed on Crabtree there would have been about 3 or 4 teams behind us that would have picked him. He's just too good a receiver not to draft.

As for pass rush, the only way we will get any is by blitzing leaving our secondary compromised.

One thing nobody has talked about is that to me Hill is nothing more than a shot putter. He won't scare anyone with a play action because he cannot through it deep. While I am not on the start Nate Davis bandwagon, I wouldn't be suprised to see him starting by the middle of the season. I really don't want to rush him, because I believe that he needs to learn the pro game's speed. Some of what looked good to us would be a pick 6 with the first team defenses we play.

Jason Hill to me is toast. If he can't beat out Spurlock, then he needs to go. Sorry home town guys, but we need the best players who can get YAC.
  • dj43
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My thoughts:

Dallas is a deep team that was predicted to be a Super Bowl team last year, based on talent on the roster. The only change they made was cutting out the cancer of Owens. Therefore, getting outplayed by Dallas' first team was predictable, and should have been expected.

The OL pass protection was not very good but again, Dallas has a lot of talent on the front seven, and they brought multiple blitzers on several occasions. This is not an excuse, it is just seeing the difference between an elite team and a team that will do well to win eight games.

Pass rush is still non-existent. While it may well be the case that Manusky is saving his blitz packages for the regular season, I didn't see any 49ers winning many one-on-one battles to get pressure. The best news here seemed to be that Haralson did get pressure on a couple of occasions and Balmer is looking much stronger this year.

I won't join all the wailing about Shaun Hill. He is a gutsy guy with limited arm strength. Some have argued that Montana didn't have a big arm either but Hill is not close to even Montana arm strength. He is what he is. We will all have to live with that. I have not given up on Smith now that he is finally getting decent coaching. In the meantime, let's not panic because Hill did not tear up the Dallas secondary. The difference in talent is telling.

The biggest problem with this team is the lack of player development under Nolan. That will not get Singletary a pass for long but it does for right now.

McCloughan had some hits and some misses. That is to be expected. No GM gets it right 100% of the time. There were no sure-fire pass rushers available in FA because no good team lets their pass rushers get away. You have to develop them. Same goes for OTs.

The biggest issue right now, WITH THE BENEFIT OF HINDSIGHT, is that the team picked Crabtree instead of Oher. Still, I did not hear any draft pundits criticizing the pick when it was made. With Smith's retirement, it leaves the team very thin.

This team will win 8 games if key players stay healthy. With luck, 9-7. There still is no stud pass rusher and QB remains an interim situation. Teams don't make the playoffs with those issues, so let's just accept this team for what it is and hope it is lucky enough to catch a few breaks along the way and sneak into a division playoff spot.

[ Edited by dj43 on Aug 31, 2009 at 08:49:14 ]
I would say that the #1's didn't exactly look great out there. Being as it's preseason we can over look most of that, but still the timing was off.

Now what was impressive is the fact that we have a lot of other players who were making plays at the end of the game. It was also impressive that we went into Dallas and still won. Yes even in preseason, it helps build confidence in these young players.
Originally posted by dj43:
My thoughts:

Dallas is a deep team that was predicted to be a Super Bowl team last year, based on talent on the roster. The only change they made was cutting out the cancer of Owens. Therefore, getting outplayed by Dallas' first team was predictable, and should have been expected.

The OL pass protection was not very good but again, Dallas has a lot of talent on the front seven, and they brought multiple blitzers on several occasions. This is not an excuse, it is just seeing the difference between an elite team and a team that will do well to win eight games.

Pass rush is still non-existent. While it may well be the case that Manusky is saving his blitz packages for the regular season, I didn't see any 49ers winning many one-on-one battles to get pressure. The best news here seemed to be that Haralson did get pressure on a couple of occasions and Balmer is looking much stronger this year.

I won't join all the wailing about Shaun Hill. He is a gutsy guy with limited arm strength. Some have argued that Montana didn't have a big arm either but Hill is not close to even Montana arm strength. He is what he is. We will all have to live with that. I have not given up on Smith now that he is finally getting decent coaching. In the meantime, let's not panic because Hill did not tear up the Dallas secondary. The difference in talent is telling.

The biggest problem with this team is the lack of player development under Nolan. That will not get Singletary a pass for long but it does for right now.

McCloughan had some hits and some misses. That is to be expected. No GM gets it right 100% of the time. There were no sure-fire pass rushers available in FA because no good team lets their pass rushers get away. You have to develop them. Same goes for OTs.

The biggest issue right now, WITH THE BENEFIT OF HINDSIGHT, is that the team picked Crabtree instead of Oher. Still, I did not hear any draft pundits criticizing the pick when it was made. With Smith's retirement, it leaves the team very thing.

This team will win 8 games if key players stay healthy. With luck, 9-7. There still is no stud pass rusher and QB remains an interim situation. Teams don't make the playoffs with those issues, so let's just accept this team for what it is and hope it is lucky enough to catch a few breaks along the way and sneak into a division playoff spot.

Interesting post. I will take any win against Dallas. Pre-season, in the car park, whatever,
  • dj43
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Originally posted by Juradon:
I would say that the #1's didn't exactly look great out there. Being as it's preseason we can over look most of that, but still the timing was off.

Now what was impressive is the fact that we have a lot of other players who were making plays at the end of the game. It was also impressive that we went into Dallas and still won. Yes even in preseason, it helps build confidence in these young players.
That IS important as it gives coaches another way to gauge players going into cut time.

Give Dallas credit. A good part of the reason the timing was off was due to their superior talent and the affect it had on the 49ers' timing.
The only thing I worry about Raye now is the play calling. I HOPE it's just preseason. His scheme is fine. And he has had success utilizing hhis best players and putting them in positions to succeed when they were by far the best targets on the field.

But calling for a shotgun draw on third and ten, among many many other playcalls.....

Hopefully it's just preseason.
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by dj43:
My thoughts:

Dallas is a deep team that was predicted to be a Super Bowl team last year, based on talent on the roster. The only change they made was cutting out the cancer of Owens. Therefore, getting outplayed by Dallas' first team was predictable, and should have been expected.

The OL pass protection was not very good but again, Dallas has a lot of talent on the front seven, and they brought multiple blitzers on several occasions. This is not an excuse, it is just seeing the difference between an elite team and a team that will do well to win eight games.

Pass rush is still non-existent. While it may well be the case that Manusky is saving his blitz packages for the regular season, I didn't see any 49ers winning many one-on-one battles to get pressure. The best news here seemed to be that Haralson did get pressure on a couple of occasions and Balmer is looking much stronger this year.

I won't join all the wailing about Shaun Hill. He is a gutsy guy with limited arm strength. Some have argued that Montana didn't have a big arm either but Hill is not close to even Montana arm strength. He is what he is. We will all have to live with that. I have not given up on Smith now that he is finally getting decent coaching. In the meantime, let's not panic because Hill did not tear up the Dallas secondary. The difference in talent is telling.

The biggest problem with this team is the lack of player development under Nolan. That will not get Singletary a pass for long but it does for right now.

McCloughan had some hits and some misses. That is to be expected. No GM gets it right 100% of the time. There were no sure-fire pass rushers available in FA because no good team lets their pass rushers get away. You have to develop them. Same goes for OTs.

The biggest issue right now, WITH THE BENEFIT OF HINDSIGHT, is that the team picked Crabtree instead of Oher. Still, I did not hear any draft pundits criticizing the pick when it was made. With Smith's retirement, it leaves the team very thing.

This team will win 8 games if key players stay healthy. With luck, 9-7. There still is no stud pass rusher and QB remains an interim situation. Teams don't make the playoffs with those issues, so let's just accept this team for what it is and hope it is lucky enough to catch a few breaks along the way and sneak into a division playoff spot.

Interesting post. I will take any win against Dallas. Pre-season, in the car park, whatever,


Amen to that.

However, they weren't even playing with "their number 1 receiver" Williams.
  • Mex49
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Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by cNiner:
think about it nothing changed from last year except Coffee. Crap not signed yet so we are the same team as last year. No pass rush, same starting QB same starting RB and the Same starting WR's , What changed. And I blame Sing for it , think about it , if he opens his trap and say the Rock will go to 21 then 21 is not doing his job. Actuly Coffee looked better than Gore Moving the pile but that just me. we are the same team no playoffs again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8-8 if we are lucky ! and they want a Stadium !

Of course it is predominantly the same team. The question is, will it play the same way? Remains to be seen

Wasn't this team winning at the end of last year, which is why they named Singletary the HC?
Originally posted by Mex49:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by cNiner:
think about it nothing changed from last year except Coffee. Crap not signed yet so we are the same team as last year. No pass rush, same starting QB same starting RB and the Same starting WR's , What changed. And I blame Sing for it , think about it , if he opens his trap and say the Rock will go to 21 then 21 is not doing his job. Actuly Coffee looked better than Gore Moving the pile but that just me. we are the same team no playoffs again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8-8 if we are lucky ! and they want a Stadium !

Of course it is predominantly the same team. The question is, will it play the same way? Remains to be seen

Wasn't this team winning at the end of last year, which is why they named Singletary the HC?



We beat the Rams twice (one of the game we were lucky to even win it), beat the Bills in a real sloppy game, beat a sinking Jets team and beat the Redskins in a meaningless game....
If Michael Lewis retires, obviously Roman will be the starting SS but I would also move Marcus Hudson back to safety and keep Eric Green as an extra corner.

I hope Hudson gets some action at safety vs the Chargers.

I also wanted to mention that Kentwan Balmer played pretty well vs Dallas, he was active, he is getting better. Manny Lawson is not.
Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
If Michael Lewis retires, obviously Roman will be the starting SS but I would also move Marcus Hudson back to safety and keep Eric Green as an extra corner.

I hope Hudson gets some action at safety vs the Chargers.

I also wanted to mention that Kentwan Balmer played pretty well vs Dallas, he was active, he is getting better. Manny Lawson is not.

why would lewis retire?????? yeah hes had 2 concussions but no way dude retires