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Should Hill Really be our starter?

Should Hill Really be our starter?

Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by SANDMAN:
Hill has to be the starter by default. No one else can move the team as well as he can. Hill will be ok if the O-line gives him time and a receiver can get open.

This has to be the post of the year. It is the funniest to date so far. Hill didn't move the team ANYWHERE.

~Ceadder

he moved the team, he just happen to move them less than 10 yards and they had to punt the ball. S. Hill king of the FG
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by Crab5:
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
The #1 pick, the best player in all of college football for that year, got beaten out by a undrafted QB out of Maryland that didn't even receive a scholarship to play Div. II football.

Hill might not be the second coming of Joe Montana, but he sure gives us a better chance to win...so what Alex can throw a 1 deep bomb a game? Few games are won with 1 play.

I wouldn't term Hill's play as "beating out" Smith. They both played horribly, and this team missed an opportunity when Farve and Vick were available. The QB play or lack of it will cost this team at least 3 games this year.

Oh come now, Favre was NEVER going to come to us. Vick maybe but highly doubtful. We already HAD 4 QBs' on the roster by time Goodell allowed him to reeneter the NFL. And can you just IMAGINE how pet loving fans in the Bay Area would have reacted at signing him? Hows that saying go again??? Oh that's right, Ni@@a please.

~Ceadder

Also, Vick can't play in a regular season game until Week 6 and that's only if Goodell reinstates him. He hasn't been cleared to play in actual games.

One screw-up by Vick and he's out for good.
Originally posted by BigMar:
Originally posted by BSofSF:
I don't feel the magic. I'm sorry. But don't listen to me, because I was mad when Montana took over for DeBerg....

I am concerned with Hill and his "noodle arm" because his arm appears even weaker this season than last, just from watching the pre-season games.

Hill has the mental make-up of a winner, we all like that....

However, with Hill being 29 and going on 30 years of age in addition to his so, so arm strength, I think there is valid reason for concern.

Lastly, Hill has never started and thrown a full 16 game scheduled in his entire NFL career, this we be the first time for Hill. Will his arm last the entire schedule without some wear?



No,that is why you will see Alex(Nate??) at some point this season.
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Originally posted by Super5:
Originally posted by BigMar:
Originally posted by BSofSF:
I don't feel the magic. I'm sorry. But don't listen to me, because I was mad when Montana took over for DeBerg....

I am concerned with Hill and his "noodle arm" because his arm appears even weaker this season than last, just from watching the pre-season games.

Hill has the mental make-up of a winner, we all like that....

However, with Hill being 29 and going on 30 years of age in addition to his so, so arm strength, I think there is valid reason for concern.

Lastly, Hill has never started and thrown a full 16 game scheduled in his entire NFL career, this we be the first time for Hill. Will his arm last the entire schedule without some wear?



No,that is why you will see Alex(Nate??) at some point this season.

Interesting, tell me, what QB do you know of that couldn't finish the season due to his arm wearing out??
Originally posted by Genius:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by linkboy:
Originally posted by Method:

I say if Hill costs us the game against Arizona, we should be quick to pull him out because he will definitely cost us against a fierce Seattle defense.

Exactly and if we go down 0-2 in the division, we're done. In a division that's as close as the West is going to be, every single win counts.

So if any our QB's on the roster cost us a game, they should be pulled also???

Yea, by the end of the season we'll be 7-9 with 10 different quarterbacks.

Shaun wins one, loses one, he's dumped. 1-1
Alex wins won, loses one he's dumped. 2-2
Damon loses, he's dumped. 2-3
Jeff George loses one, he's dumped. 2-4

.... etc LOL

ending with

Nate wins 3 to finish the season 7-9! WOOT!!!




Whoever wrote that joke is f**king hilarious, and incredibly sexy.
no
This should be renamed the double standard post...All of you guys, or most of you are excusing Hill for making the same mistakes Smith made. It is sad and ridiculous that some of you even try to deny this. In the one game that both got near equal snaps, Smith looked more accurate and more in command of the huddle. You guys say Smith is inaccurate, but Hill wasn't even getting the ball close enough for the wide outs to drop. I am seriously praying that this is just a product of preseason and not the true Hill we're seeing... or maybe it's the curse of Joecools praise.
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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
This should be renamed the double standard post...All of you guys, or most of you are excusing Hill for making the same mistakes Smith made. It is sad and ridiculous that some of you even try to deny this. In the one game that both got near equal snaps, Smith looked more accurate and more in command of the huddle. You guys say Smith is inaccurate, but Hill wasn't even getting the ball close enough for the wide outs to drop. I am seriously praying that this is just a product of preseason and not the true Hill we're seeing... or maybe it's the curse of Joecools praise.

Hill played exactly how I thought he would, inconsistent and conservative. It takes Hill more than a quarter to get things going with him, once he settles down and finds his rhythm is where he takes control of his game. But even though Smith may have played or looked better than Hill at times, he still did not do enough to win the job or set the world on fire with his play, his injury also did not help him. And whether you support Smith or Hill or both, you simply can't deny that.
If Raye calls the same kind of games he has been calling in preseason, with the result of 9 in the box and max pressure up the middle with not too good blocking.. I will be on my way to raggin on him the entire season.

Where is the magic? Hill will continue to look like crap if the O doesn't get opened up some, or a lot..

BTW - I hate this kind of offense,
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by linkboy:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by linkboy:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by linkboy:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by BigMar:
Originally posted by BigMar:
Hill is our starter, so I support him.

However, I am concerned that our offense plays at a disadvantage as the oppossing defense's clearly recognize that Q.B. Hill due to his limited arm strength, simply cannot make all the throws to all parts of the field.

Therefore, defense's do not have to worry or game plan for throws to certain parts or depths of the field.... because Hill can't make them.

We have a starting Q.B. who has limitation on his passing skills due to his arm strength, just a fact.

Mike Martz knew this, Jimmy Raye now knows this.... and most scary is the defenses know this!

One more time...this!

this is a tired argument....Hill has shown he can be successful in Martz's offense and makes most of the pass need for a team to be successful.... defenses had a chance to adjust to Hill last year and they couldn't...when it counted, Hill still moved the ball on these NFL defenses....

again it is still preseason....so I'm not going to overreact that defenses have OMG figured Hill out.

we run the ball 2 straight times then on 3rd down we miss blocks......yes this has also happened to Alex....some are saying we are just making excuse for Hill....well there is a difference...

when Alex was finally "freed" as some were screaming for the team to do..... he still struggled more times than not...... Hill has shown that he can effectively pass on 1st or 2nd down.....and this is what I'm looking forward to in the regular season....

if the play calling doesn't change in the regular season....then we all can start to panic.

Hill hasn't done this with any consistency to this point this year. Also if it was just excuses for Smith, then why should it be any different for Hill? That's just BS, Hill hasn't had to deal with half of what Smith has had to. You do not even take into account how much better this team is than the teams Smith started on, but you want a pass for Hill because of play calling? Play calling were not what was making him throw those terrible passes. I am willing to wait till the real games start to see if this is just an aberration, but it is looking like a developing trend. If you want to complain about play calling, just remember that having a QB that struggles throwing a decent deep ball limits the plays that can be called.

lets talk about Alex for a second.....lot of his homers make it seem like he is GREAT at throwing the deep ball.....he has not attempted to throw a deep ball all preseason....why?....is it because he is a "QB that struggles throwing a decent deep ball which limits the plays that can be called"?

also watching yesterdays game....we moved the ball with Hill back there...it wasn't a coincidence that our drives stalled on the downs we decided to pull out the wild tazer....

again though, yes it is just preseason so lets see how the season goes.

We were moving the ball due to the running game, the minute Hill had to start throwing the ball, everything went to crap.

Not one of his scoring drives has ended in a TD. That's a major thing to be worried about. Every time he gets inside of the 30, his drives stall and Nedney (or Romeo) had to come out (this goes for all 3 games).

did you watch the game yesterday? or again today?

can I ask you.....you say that we were moving the ball due to the running game...and the minute Hill had to start throwing the ball, "everything went to crap"....

Hill went 9/17....so he completed 9 passes...... out of those 9 passes, 6 of them got us 1st downs.

So Hill converted 6 first downs by passing the ball.

look, again...this is just preseason, so what ever.....but I think that when we have Gore back there to help pass protect....I think we will do better when ever we do pass the ball.

First downs mean jack squat if you fail to score points. I don't care if he throws for 6 first downs on one drive, if the drive stalls and you get no points, its a failed drive.

do you know why our drives stalled? let me know why each of our drives stalled when he was the QB....look into it and get back to me.....if not then I'm just wasting my time with you.

first you say we drove the ball because of our running game and when ever Hill threw the ball "everything went to crap"....but now your changing what you're saying....so which is it?

3 of the drives ended on stupid Wildcat calls, the drive after Roman's pick Hill was horrible (that pass to Bruce was terrible)

However, his drives have been stalling all preseason, not just last night. He's only been able to deliver FGs. You're not going to win very many games by just scoring FGs.

That's the issue I'm having with Hill this year. He moves the ball down the field and stalls inside the 30 and has to settle for a FG.

the first preseason game...on his only drive, he drove us down field....and on 3rd down we decided to run on 3rd and 3. Who knows what would have happened if we passed the ball....but that drive stop and we got 3 points.... we drove down the field for 60 yards.....we started around the 20 yard line and we ended around their 20 yard line..........and that was that for Shaun.

so the next week he is expect to stay sharp after only getting on drive and sitting out the rest of the game.....then on top of that, in the next game...he has to come in the second qtr...and is expected to stay sharp?...excuses...fine what ever..... but you say that his drives have been stalling all season....well that is not necessarily true.

the fact is, in the 1st two preseason games....Shaun was allowed 3 real drives.

the first one we got 3pts
the second one (Raider game, him came off the bench) the drive stalled right away.
the third one...we got 3pts (Hill missed Vernon in the endzone)

the forth one wasn't really a drive...there was :29 seconds left when we got the ball and we just ran out the clock to end the half.

so 2 of the 3 real drives....we scored.....we drove down the field.

and yesterday on his first drive....he helped us move down field for another score.

The whole thing smacks of BeforeMikeMartz Nolan Ball2. Drive the ball down the field, then run it when yer close so you won't screw up. It stinks to high heaven.

We will all find out in AZ, without a damn doubt. Because they can score lots of points, even though in the past the 49ers have played their WR well. Clements 10yrds off, we will see about that.

Grind the ball and settle for FG, then hand it over to Warner so they get TDs.
Oh yeah, we all gonna find out very soon..

Like some have said, Hill has played now and there is a body of film on him, BIG DIFF.

I hope the best for him, but Raye and MS grind and grind some more style of play, when there is 8-10 in the box.. Teams WILL stop our run...

We will know ALL after the AZ opener...

NINERS 2009!!!!!!!!!
Hill should be our starter, but only because we have nobody better. Hill should not be starting in the NFL and it is an bright beacon of the failure of Scott M that Hill is in any kind of competition to be our starter. Hill is a back-up, and thats exactly what we as Niner fans should expect him to display on Sundays. Anyone expecting anything more is both unrealistic and bound for dissapointment.
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Yeah, I agree. Hill is the best we got right now. Smith is still inconsistent and still recovering from his seperated shoulder. But, I have no doubt that Singletary will not put up with mediocre play from the Qb and if Hill struggles early, I expect Sing to go quickly to the next guy in line and if he struggles the next guy.
Unfortunately we are just going to take a wait and see approach with our QB situation. Our QB play has been at best, mundane this preseason. But it’s the preseason, and you never know how much of the playbook is being used. In my opinion Smith looks better (tighter spiral more zip), but his results have not been any better than Hill. Hill has to be the starter, because Smith didn’t beat him out. I think this is shaping up to be a perfect situation for Smith. Smith doesn’t have the pressure of starting the season, which will allow him to watch from the sidelines and further absorb the playbook. I hope Hill plays well, but if Smith is given the chance I’ll be rooting for Smith.
Actually, yes he should. We know I'm an avid smith supporter, however, Hill was chosen as the starter, irregardless of too what degree he should or shouldn't be, really doesn't matter at this point. I honestly want hill to play at least from 9-11 games if not the whole season barring injury. Soo many believe in hill, that I say let him show it to us. If all else fails I think they'll bring in smith, and If he wins a few to finish the season they will do him as they did hill, except he'll start next year and they will appoint him the starter if we have the same o.c. and company. And if he sucks, his contract will be up and sooooo long kid. Hill will probably still be our backup and Davis will be our starter.

But as I said before. Hill should be our starter just to shut critics up and see if he'll be that diamond in the rough playmaker, that gets us to the playoffs at least, or a journeyman only good enough to get it done when all else fails.

Will be a interesting ride this year anyway. If this year does fail, at least we can't say the Yorks with all their bs didn't light a little fire and intrigue in us fans this season

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No he should not be the starter, and for the answer as to why, please see this thread
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=129036