Reasons for an Alex Smith breakout season. | Page 12

TowelBoy · 2009-04-27T00:27:12-07:00

The starting point for this analysis is the fact that Alex Smith was the #1 overall pick in the draft, with elite physical tools, measureables, and intangibles. Now, he hasn't been successful at all, so the question you have to ask yourself is "why?" If all the reasons for his downfall seem to have been remedied by now, there is pretty good reason to suspect that as his young age and intelligence, Smith still has a breakout year in him. Poor line protection? Well, it's pretty solid now. Lack of weapons? Bruce is the man, Morgan is already a breakout performer, and Crabtree is a #1 prospect on the level of a Braylon Edwards/Brandon Marshall/Anquan Boldin. And these aren't the only weapons. Health issues? He will be ready to go this year. Knock on wood. Coaching continuity? It seems we're finally putting together a great staff. Now, I'll sign off with a reminder of Smith's best moment as a pro. This is when I thought he finally turned the corner and showed the "it" factor to be a stud. It was not to be at the time, but at least he has displayed the flashes. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/10344718

Jun 4, 2009 at 1:00 PM

#166

blacksailsmd
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Originally posted by BrodieFan:
As much as I like Shaun Hill, I'm hoping people are calling Alex Smith "the Phoenix" by next year, but I definitely wouldn't expect it. But, if Smith ever is going to resurrect his career, this year would be a good time to start. He's still very young and he's still got all the physical tools anyone needs to be successful in the NFL. He just needs to get his head together.

and his shoulder

Jun 4, 2009 at 4:11 PM

#167

BigMar
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Originally posted by 49er4eva:
Originally posted by LilMar:
Originally posted by BigMar:
In my opinion, I think after Alex kicks off the dust from being inactive due to his past shoulder injury, his arm certainly will re-gain strength and the accuracy will follow shortly thereafter. One thing for sure, Alex is much more aware, mature, a bit bigger and stronger this season. Stay tuned... lets see what happens.

I heard that being on the bench has lit a fire under Alex Smith (6'4 217 lbs) and he wants to play better this year.

Really? I heard he looks like the same hot garbage in OTA'S with throwing picks and inaccurate passing.

Come on now...Alex has not thrown a pass in how long? Give the guy a chance to get adjusted. By the way Q.B. Hill also threw ints in case you did not notice.

Jun 4, 2009 at 4:19 PM

#168

Ceadderman
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Originally posted by BigMar:
Originally posted by 49er4eva:
Originally posted by LilMar:
Originally posted by BigMar:
In my opinion, I think after Alex kicks off the dust from being inactive due to his past shoulder injury, his arm certainly will re-gain strength and the accuracy will follow shortly thereafter. One thing for sure, Alex is much more aware, mature, a bit bigger and stronger this season. Stay tuned... lets see what happens.

I heard that being on the bench has lit a fire under Alex Smith (6'4 217 lbs) and he wants to play better this year.

Really? I heard he looks like the same hot garbage in OTA'S with throwing picks and inaccurate passing.

Come on now...Alex has not thrown a pass in how long? Give the guy a chance to get adjusted. By the way Q.B. Hill also threw ints in case you did not notice.

Oh he noticed but since it's Hill and Hill has that nifty 2 season record, he ignores that.

It's kinda like walkin by a pile of excrement in your living room if it came from a prize ribbon winning dog. It stinks but since it came from such a winner it must be worth something and therefore you cannot bring yourself to flush it down the toilet.

~Ceadder

[ Edited by Ceadderman on Jun 4, 2009 at 16:20:04 ]

Jun 4, 2009 at 6:00 PM

#169

BigMar
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Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by BigMar:
Originally posted by 49er4eva:
Originally posted by LilMar:
Originally posted by BigMar:
In my opinion, I think after Alex kicks off the dust from being inactive due to his past shoulder injury, his arm certainly will re-gain strength and the accuracy will follow shortly thereafter. One thing for sure, Alex is much more aware, mature, a bit bigger and stronger this season. Stay tuned... lets see what happens.

I heard that being on the bench has lit a fire under Alex Smith (6'4 217 lbs) and he wants to play better this year.

Really? I heard he looks like the same hot garbage in OTA'S with throwing picks and inaccurate passing.

Come on now...Alex has not thrown a pass in how long? Give the guy a chance to get adjusted. By the way Q.B. Hill also threw ints in case you did not notice.

Oh he noticed but since it's Hill and Hill has that nifty 2 season record, he ignores that.

It's kinda like walkin by a pile of excrement in your living room if it came from a prize ribbon winning dog. It stinks but since it came from such a winner it must be worth something and therefore you cannot bring yourself to flush it down the toilet.

~Ceadder

Jun 4, 2009 at 6:08 PM

#170

backontop
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Why is this debate still going on? Smith is a train wreck waiting to happen. He can be a decent #2 but a starter? I rooted for him but how many years and excuses is this guy going to get? It is about time the team starts looking at options for the future. And we never know that could be what we have in Nate Davis but then again with out seeing him take a single snap at the pro level we will never know until he does.

Jun 4, 2009 at 7:26 PM

#171

Mr.Mcgibblets
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Originally posted by backontop:
Why is this debate still going on? Smith is a train wreck waiting to happen. He can be a decent #2 but a starter? I rooted for him but how many years and excuses is this guy going to get? It is about time the team starts looking at options for the future. And we never know that could be what we have in Nate Davis but then again with out seeing him take a single snap at the pro level we will never know until he does.

This bolded part caught my attention. People act like Alex has been in the league for several years... played for several years... and still sucked.

So is this true or no? Cuz last I checked...

05 - rookie - played in 9 games... was terrible, as was the entire offense
06 - true yr 1 - started every game... pedestrian, but acceptable stats considering multiple factors
07 - injured in 4th game... pedestrian, but acceptable stats under Jim frickin Hostler

So where are all these years that he has been so horrible? Does anyone even acknowledge his rookie year? I don't... that was destined to be disaster. Most everyone felt he was turning the corner at the end of 06. Then 07... Hostler... game 4... injured... and now, everyone's acting as if he's ben playing lots since 06 and sucking... interesting.

Which leads me to other explanations.

type 1) the draft experts - You absolutely hated the selection in 05... cuz after all, we all are draft experts that know better. So you see what you want to see... remembering the bad... forgetting the good... all to validate your draft guru-ism. This builds into a fine, burning hate for the kid.

type 2) the lil Nolans - You were fairly high on the improvement of Alex after 06... He doesn't light it up in 07, but does enough... but then gets injured... what a wuss. Now he's hurt... or is he? Get in there and play, wuss! Oh, but he's sucking... maybe faking the injury... just doesn't have the guts to tough it out. Declares himself out for the year... F him for quitting on the team. Then he goes and gets hurt again, the wuss! Screw him... he's always sucked anyway... right? Uh, yeah sure... that's the way to remember it.

Jun 4, 2009 at 7:29 PM

#172

jones49
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Went will the hard on for this guy finally go down.

Jun 4, 2009 at 7:30 PM

#173

PTulini
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Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by backontop:
Why is this debate still going on? Smith is a train wreck waiting to happen. He can be a decent #2 but a starter? I rooted for him but how many years and excuses is this guy going to get? It is about time the team starts looking at options for the future. And we never know that could be what we have in Nate Davis but then again with out seeing him take a single snap at the pro level we will never know until he does.

This bolded part caught my attention. People act like Alex has been in the league for several years... played for several years... and still sucked.

So is this true or no? Cuz last I checked...

05 - rookie - played in 9 games... was terrible, as was the entire offense
06 - true yr 1 - started every game... pedestrian, but acceptable stats considering multiple factors
07 - injured in 4th game... pedestrian, but acceptable stats under Jim frickin Hostler

So where are all these years that he has been so horrible? Does anyone even acknowledge his rookie year? I don't... that was destined to be disaster. Most everyone felt he was turning the corner at the end of 06. Then 07... Hostler... game 4... injured... and now, everyone's acting as if he's ben playing lots since 06 and sucking... interesting.

Which leads me to other explanations.

type 1) the draft experts - You absolutely hated the selection in 05... cuz after all, we all are draft experts that know better. So you see what you want to see... remembering the bad... forgetting the good... all to validate your draft guru-ism. This builds into a fine, burning hate for the kid.

type 2) the lil Nolans - You were fairly high on the improvement of Alex after 06... He doesn't light it up in 07, but does enough... but then gets injured... what a wuss. Now he's hurt... or is he? Get in there and play, wuss! Oh, but he's sucking... maybe faking the injury... just doesn't have the guts to tough it out. Declares himself out for the year... F him for quitting on the team. Then he goes and gets hurt again, the wuss! Screw him... he's always sucked anyway... right? Uh, yeah sure... that's the way to remember it.

It does sound pretty accurate to me! I agree with it.

[ Edited by PTulini on Jun 4, 2009 at 19:33:45 ]

Jun 4, 2009 at 7:50 PM

#174

matt49er
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You know we can all look back and say "Alex was really showing potential" but really it was sparatic, he didn't look to good but neither did anyone really at all on offense. Alex has the tools and the smarts, i'm just not so sure he can be a star. I think he if healthy will end up like a Kerry Collins at best it was a good choice to keep him at less $ and see what happens. I really really hope he becomes great but i do not anticipate it happening

Jun 4, 2009 at 8:03 PM

#175

backontop
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Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by backontop:
Why is this debate still going on? Smith is a train wreck waiting to happen. He can be a decent #2 but a starter? I rooted for him but how many years and excuses is this guy going to get? It is about time the team starts looking at options for the future. And we never know that could be what we have in Nate Davis but then again with out seeing him take a single snap at the pro level we will never know until he does.

This bolded part caught my attention. People act like Alex has been in the league for several years... played for several years... and still sucked.

So is this true or no? Cuz last I checked...

05 - rookie - played in 9 games... was terrible, as was the entire offense
06 - true yr 1 - started every game... pedestrian, but acceptable stats considering multiple factors
07 - injured in 4th game... pedestrian, but acceptable stats under Jim frickin Hostler

So where are all these years that he has been so horrible? Does anyone even acknowledge his rookie year? I don't... that was destined to be disaster. Most everyone felt he was turning the corner at the end of 06. Then 07... Hostler... game 4... injured... and now, everyone's acting as if he's ben playing lots since 06 and sucking... interesting.

Which leads me to other explanations.

type 1) the draft experts - You absolutely hated the selection in 05... cuz after all, we all are draft experts that know better. So you see what you want to see... remembering the bad... forgetting the good... all to validate your draft guru-ism. This builds into a fine, burning hate for the kid.

type 2) the lil Nolans - You were fairly high on the improvement of Alex after 06... He doesn't light it up in 07, but does enough... but then gets injured... what a wuss. Now he's hurt... or is he? Get in there and play, wuss! Oh, but he's sucking... maybe faking the injury... just doesn't have the guts to tough it out. Declares himself out for the year... F him for quitting on the team. Then he goes and gets hurt again, the wuss! Screw him... he's always sucked anyway... right? Uh, yeah sure... that's the way to remember it.

you said it yourself. PEDESTRIAN type numbers. But hey lets make him a starter

Jun 4, 2009 at 8:04 PM

#176

elguapo
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None. Hill is the starter, but other than that, he would of had a good season with all of the reasons you listed

Jun 4, 2009 at 8:37 PM

#177

Mr.Mcgibblets
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Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by backontop:
Why is this debate still going on? Smith is a train wreck waiting to happen. He can be a decent #2 but a starter? I rooted for him but how many years and excuses is this guy going to get? It is about time the team starts looking at options for the future. And we never know that could be what we have in Nate Davis but then again with out seeing him take a single snap at the pro level we will never know until he does.

This bolded part caught my attention. People act like Alex has been in the league for several years... played for several years... and still sucked.

So is this true or no? Cuz last I checked...

05 - rookie - played in 9 games... was terrible, as was the entire offense
06 - true yr 1 - started every game... pedestrian, but acceptable stats considering multiple factors
07 - injured in 4th game... pedestrian, but acceptable stats under Jim frickin Hostler

So where are all these years that he has been so horrible? Does anyone even acknowledge his rookie year? I don't... that was destined to be disaster. Most everyone felt he was turning the corner at the end of 06. Then 07... Hostler... game 4... injured... and now, everyone's acting as if he's ben playing lots since 06 and sucking... interesting.

Which leads me to other explanations.

type 1) the draft experts - You absolutely hated the selection in 05... cuz after all, we all are draft experts that know better. So you see what you want to see... remembering the bad... forgetting the good... all to validate your draft guru-ism. This builds into a fine, burning hate for the kid.

type 2) the lil Nolans - You were fairly high on the improvement of Alex after 06... He doesn't light it up in 07, but does enough... but then gets injured... what a wuss. Now he's hurt... or is he? Get in there and play, wuss! Oh, but he's sucking... maybe faking the injury... just doesn't have the guts to tough it out. Declares himself out for the year... F him for quitting on the team. Then he goes and gets hurt again, the wuss! Screw him... he's always sucked anyway... right? Uh, yeah sure... that's the way to remember it.

you said it yourself. PEDESTRIAN type numbers. But hey lets make him a starter

Yes, yes I did... pedestrian. Buuuuuuut.... consider that Alex had a far inferior supporting cast (coaching/OL/receivers). This is a much better team now that Alex has yet to play with.

Jun 4, 2009 at 10:16 PM

#178

bigmike55
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Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by backontop:
Why is this debate still going on? Smith is a train wreck waiting to happen. He can be a decent #2 but a starter? I rooted for him but how many years and excuses is this guy going to get? It is about time the team starts looking at options for the future. And we never know that could be what we have in Nate Davis but then again with out seeing him take a single snap at the pro level we will never know until he does.

This bolded part caught my attention. People act like Alex has been in the league for several years... played for several years... and still sucked.

So is this true or no? Cuz last I checked...

05 - rookie - played in 9 games... was terrible, as was the entire offense
06 - true yr 1 - started every game... pedestrian, but acceptable stats considering multiple factors
07 - injured in 4th game... pedestrian, but acceptable stats under Jim frickin Hostler

So where are all these years that he has been so horrible? Does anyone even acknowledge his rookie year? I don't... that was destined to be disaster. Most everyone felt he was turning the corner at the end of 06. Then 07... Hostler... game 4... injured... and now, everyone's acting as if he's ben playing lots since 06 and sucking... interesting.

Which leads me to other explanations.

type 1) the draft experts - You absolutely hated the selection in 05... cuz after all, we all are draft experts that know better. So you see what you want to see... remembering the bad... forgetting the good... all to validate your draft guru-ism. This builds into a fine, burning hate for the kid.

type 2) the lil Nolans - You were fairly high on the improvement of Alex after 06... He doesn't light it up in 07, but does enough... but then gets injured... what a wuss. Now he's hurt... or is he? Get in there and play, wuss! Oh, but he's sucking... maybe faking the injury... just doesn't have the guts to tough it out. Declares himself out for the year... F him for quitting on the team. Then he goes and gets hurt again, the wuss! Screw him... he's always sucked anyway... right? Uh, yeah sure... that's the way to remember it.

"Does anyone even acknowledge his rookie year? I don't... "

Why wouldn't you acknowledge his rookie year? Sure rookies should get a little leeway, but cmon now. couldn't get more than what? 4 wins?

The kid was drafted #1 overall. He wasn't some late round pick up that was expected to be a third stringer or hang out on the practice squad. He was the face of our franchise and organization. And he stunk it up.

ummmm rookie QBs.... Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan? sure they may have been handed a better supporting cast, but still. the fact of the matter remains... Alex Smith sucks. He is a bust. It's time to move on. I bet Flacco or Ryan would've done better with our 2005 team than mr. bust.

Jun 4, 2009 at 10:22 PM

#179

Norcal9erfan
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Why hasnt this A. Smith thread stopped yet??!!!???!!! Let him win the starting job and prove he deserves a chance to come back...THEN WE'll TALK!

Jun 4, 2009 at 10:27 PM

#180

bigmike55
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Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:
Why hasnt this A. Smith thread stopped yet??!!!???!!! Let him win the starting job and prove he deserves a chance to come back...THEN WE'll TALK!