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Is Peyton Manning in for a reality check?

Is Peyton Manning in for a reality check?

One play in the game you could see the difference between Manning and your run of the mill qb. He read the Niners defense pre snap. You could hear him scream blitz 52. Then Niners defense shifts. Willis just moves to the other lb position and blitzes. Broncos pick up the blitz perfectly and Manning delivers a nice pass. They couldn't do that with Tebow. Folks just didn't want to give him his due b/c he passed on the Niners for the Broncos.
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
After seeing him play at Mile High Stadium yesterday against our Niners, the Denver media is talking "maybe 13 wins" this season. While he did look good, we were playing a very vanilla defense against him. My son and I got the impression Harbaugh wasn't concerned with Peyton completing passes downfield. His main objective was to avoid serious injuries in the 100 + F degree heat on the field and the always-present altitude. He did get rocked with one hit...but that's only (by their accts) the 2nd big hit in the preseason. He'll take many more once the bell rings...and if he goes down for any length of time, Denver's in big trouble. His b/u is Caleb Hanie...not very impressive. Backing him up is the rookie Ostweiler, who looked every bit the part. Of course, the Denver media is over-hyping Manning and his impact on the team. He'll definitely improve their offense, no question, but to be seriously talking Super Bowl is pretty far-fetched.

I think the defense played with the philosophy "read and react". The players didn't do a great job of that, but if there is a time to test players' abilities on certain plays and formations, a preseason game would be it. The secondary getting burned has been a perennial item with the 49ers in the preseason. Hopefully the coaches will fix the problems with schemes and the complete team participating in a game that counts.
he made our D look lightweight dumb yesterday.. i think he'll be okay
Didn't get a reality check.
Preseason is not reality
  • Wodwo
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Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Preseason is not reality

Preseason is poop and meaningless except for the people hoping to gain a roster spot.

First quarter of the last preseason game will be a little more like the real thing. BUT JH will not show his hand until all the chips for the regular season game are in and the game really counts.
Originally posted by lamontb:
One play in the game you could see the difference between Manning and your run of the mill qb. He read the Niners defense pre snap. You could hear him scream blitz 52. Then Niners defense shifts. Willis just moves to the other lb position and blitzes. Broncos pick up the blitz perfectly and Manning delivers a nice pass. They couldn't do that with Tebow. Folks just didn't want to give him his due b/c he passed on the Niners for the Broncos.

This is the EXACT reason I was arguing with people on here when were were trying to sign Peyton. People were trying to say with our OL, Peyton could not succeed. Those people were so used to see Alex's lack of ability to read the defenses pre-snap and help them out, that they assumed that Peyton would get destroyed behind our line. He wouldnt. This play you are speaking of is the perfect example of what Peyton brings to a team. His lack of being able to scramble away from rushers is MORE than made up for by his ability to read a defensive play before it happens.
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Originally posted by lamontb:
One play in the game you could see the difference between Manning and your run of the mill qb. He read the Niners defense pre snap. You could hear him scream blitz 52. Then Niners defense shifts. Willis just moves to the other lb position and blitzes. Broncos pick up the blitz perfectly and Manning delivers a nice pass. They couldn't do that with Tebow. Folks just didn't want to give him his due b/c he passed on the Niners for the Broncos.

This is the EXACT reason I was arguing with people on here when were were trying to sign Peyton. People were trying to say with our OL, Peyton could not succeed. Those people were so used to see Alex's lack of ability to read the defenses pre-snap and help them out, that they assumed that Peyton would get destroyed behind our line. He wouldnt. This play you are speaking of is the perfect example of what Peyton brings to a team. His lack of being able to scramble away from rushers is MORE than made up for by his ability to read a defensive play before it happens.

Yes. Manning is one of the great QBs who ever played the game. But would you pay $18 million this year (and $58 million if the Broncos decide to retain him next year) for that ability? Clearly the 49ers decided not to.
FF...yeah, you're right...and they were definitely picking on Brock. If I'm not mistaken, both TD passes were against him. Normally in that situation, Culliver would be out there, but he didn't play. By the same token, you need 5 quality CB's...and like many, I'm not convinced we have that. Management's impressed enough w/Mosley to keep him around another week, so maybe he'll either bump Brock or force him to step up his game.
Originally posted by fastforward:
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Originally posted by lamontb:
One play in the game you could see the difference between Manning and your run of the mill qb. He read the Niners defense pre snap. You could hear him scream blitz 52. Then Niners defense shifts. Willis just moves to the other lb position and blitzes. Broncos pick up the blitz perfectly and Manning delivers a nice pass. They couldn't do that with Tebow. Folks just didn't want to give him his due b/c he passed on the Niners for the Broncos.

This is the EXACT reason I was arguing with people on here when were were trying to sign Peyton. People were trying to say with our OL, Peyton could not succeed. Those people were so used to see Alex's lack of ability to read the defenses pre-snap and help them out, that they assumed that Peyton would get destroyed behind our line. He wouldnt. This play you are speaking of is the perfect example of what Peyton brings to a team. His lack of being able to scramble away from rushers is MORE than made up for by his ability to read a defensive play before it happens.

Yes. Manning is one of the great QBs who ever played the game. But would you pay $18 million this year (and $58 million if the Broncos decide to retain him next year) for that ability? Clearly the 49ers decided not to.

No way in hell Baalke makes that kind of investment for someone who could be really good, but could be done at any time. That's why I've been saying they weren't in the Manning sweepstakes as deep as everyone thinks, since they knew full well he was going to get a payday like that.
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
After seeing him play at Mile High Stadium yesterday against our Niners, the Denver media is talking "maybe 13 wins" this season. While he did look good, we were playing a very vanilla defense against him. My son and I got the impression Harbaugh wasn't concerned with Peyton completing passes downfield. His main objective was to avoid serious injuries in the 100 + F degree heat on the field and the always-present altitude. He did get rocked with one hit...but that's only (by their accts) the 2nd big hit in the preseason. He'll take many more once the bell rings...and if he goes down for any length of time, Denver's in big trouble. His b/u is Caleb Hanie...not very impressive. Backing him up is the rookie Ostweiler, who looked every bit the part. Of course, the Denver media is over-hyping Manning and his impact on the team. He'll definitely improve their offense, no question, but to be seriously talking Super Bowl is pretty far-fetched.

You gotta compare this Denver team to the '06/'09 Colts....the only way to make any sort of realistic comparison IMO since that was the only team capable of defeating Brady and the Patriots (and still almost didn't).

Peyton while a great regular season QB has yet to show consistent post season dominance perhaps because Colts deficiencies became exposed during the playoffs.

Big questions:

Can this Denver team run as well/better than those Colts?
Does this Denver team stop the run as well/better than those Colts?

If you answer yes, to both then there's a chance that Peyton could carry them. You never know, we could be looking at another team he carries.
I can certainly see why he won't be the same ol' Manning. In 2010 his play had fallen off quite a bit from where it had been the previous 7 seasons (he even had a lower yards per attempt than Alex Smith that year) and he had that 3 game stretch with 11 INT's that had a lot of people scratching their heads and thinking this wasn't the same guy. He threw for a ton of yards but that's in large part because he threw over 100 more passes than he had in any other season of his career. Now he's 2 years and 4 neck surgeries older. Plus, another largely overlooked factor is that he will only be playing one game indoors this year (week 2 at Atlanta) where as that has been the norm for him throughout his career in Indy. There will be a lot of bad weather games at home in Denver and those are the types of games he has struggled with throughout his career. And if that's not enough, his WR's/TE's are not nearly as good as those he was throwing to all those years in Indy.
He is in beast mode
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Originally posted by harbaw:
I can certainly see why he won't be the same ol' Manning. In 2010 his play had fallen off quite a bit from where it had been the previous 7 seasons (he even had a lower yards per attempt than Alex Smith that year) and he had that 3 game stretch with 11 INT's that had a lot of people scratching their heads and thinking this wasn't the same guy. He threw for a ton of yards but that's in large part because he threw over 100 more passes than he had in any other season of his career. Now he's 2 years and 4 neck surgeries older. Plus, another largely overlooked factor is that he will only be playing one game indoors this year (week 2 at Atlanta) where as that has been the norm for him throughout his career in Indy. There will be a lot of bad weather games at home in Denver and those are the types of games he has struggled with throughout his career. And if that's not enough, his WR's/TE's are not nearly as good as those he was throwing to all those years in Indy.

Good points. I also doubt Denver's running game will be much better than what he had in Indy. People forget McGahee wasn't doing anything until Tebow came along to fake out the defense and open up running lanes for him.