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The **OFFICIAL** Cam Newton Bandwagon!

Originally posted by frenchmov:
please god no, anyone but cam newton -_-
HELL NO!
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Originally posted by mavfd9er:
HELL NO!

What an insightful piece of information!!! I'm sold!!

Originally posted by SourdoughDan:
Originally posted by mavfd9er:
HELL NO!

What an insightful piece of information!!! I'm sold!!


Yah, any clown can just say "no, don't do this," or "that guy sucks," or whatever. Grow a pair and tell us WHY you don't like the guy, or why you want us to draft for another position, etc.
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Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by SourdoughDan:
Originally posted by mavfd9er:
HELL NO!

What an insightful piece of information!!! I'm sold!!


Yah, any clown can just say "no, don't do this," or "that guy sucks," or whatever. Grow a pair and tell us WHY you don't like the guy, or why you want us to draft for another position, etc.

He has funny ears.
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by SourdoughDan:
Originally posted by mavfd9er:
HELL NO!

What an insightful piece of information!!! I'm sold!!


Yah, any clown can just say "no, don't do this," or "that guy sucks," or whatever. Grow a pair and tell us WHY you don't like the guy, or why you want us to draft for another position, etc.

He has funny ears.

How would you know?
Newton is the most talented of the big 4 QB prospects (Locker, Gabbert, Newton, Mallett).

But, I just get the feeling he wants an NFL paycheck more than he wants to continue the long line of great 49er QBs.

Maybe its about how he got busted down at Florida. Or how his Dad shamelessly shopped him around. Will the work ethic still be there after he gets his NFL millions? Matt Lineart and JaWalrus focused on partying. We'll see if Scam is any different no matter who drafts him.
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Newton is the most talented of the big 4 QB prospects (Locker, Gabbert, Newton, Mallett).

But, I just get the feeling he wants an NFL paycheck more than he wants to continue the long line of great 49er QBs.

Maybe its about how he got busted down at Florida. Or how his Dad shamelessly shopped him around. Will the work ethic still be there after he gets his NFL millions? Matt Lineart and JaWalrus focused on partying. We'll see if Scam is any different no matter who drafts him.

Although I understand your concern, I'm wondering what evidence do you have to support your conclusion. Everyone knows that the NCAA is a joke when it comes to student athletes. Cam did not go to college to get a degree and the NCAA made a whole lotta money off him. And if your contention is that his dad sought to bend the rules, then you should apply that to the 49ers as bending the sallary cap rules is what help produce five rings.
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Great athlete, but a project. If he brought his college game to the NFL he would be road kill and a turn over machine. He leaves the pocket and takes off too fast, he also tries to run over line backers. He will need coaching to go through his reads and be more patient, to me he is another Tim Tebow type, will need a few years to develop. Someone QB needy will draft him higher than he should be.
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Originally posted by ttime1:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Newton is the most talented of the big 4 QB prospects (Locker, Gabbert, Newton, Mallett).

But, I just get the feeling he wants an NFL paycheck more than he wants to continue the long line of great 49er QBs.

Maybe its about how he got busted down at Florida. Or how his Dad shamelessly shopped him around. Will the work ethic still be there after he gets his NFL millions? Matt Lineart and JaWalrus focused on partying. We'll see if Scam is any different no matter who drafts him.

Although I understand your concern, I'm wondering what evidence do you have to support your conclusion. Everyone knows that the NCAA is a joke when it comes to student athletes. Cam did not go to college to get a degree and the NCAA made a whole lotta money off him. And if your contention is that his dad sought to bend the rules, then you should apply that to the 49ers as bending the sallary cap rules is what help produce five rings.

Was no cap in the NFL till 1994.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by SourdoughDan:
Originally posted by mavfd9er:
HELL NO!

What an insightful piece of information!!! I'm sold!!


Yah, any clown can just say "no, don't do this," or "that guy sucks," or whatever. Grow a pair and tell us WHY you don't like the guy, or why you want us to draft for another position, etc.

Hey thanks for the attack jackass. I guess I'll "grow a pair" and give some reasons why we shouldn't take him.

1. Question mark on intangibles: Had some off the field issues. Does he really have the work ethic or maturity to be an elite NFL QB?

2. System guy: Spread offense inflates stats. Does his game translate to the pros?

3. Hype: Did anyone know anything about him before this season. Aurburn's success this year drives up his stock.

4. Value: If your going to take him it'll have to be in the first round. Do you really want to go all in on a guy with these kind of question marks?

5. Options: This draft is stacked with elite talent at CB and DE positions. Any idle 49er fan knows these are big team needs.

Summary:

Am I saying Newton will never be a successful NFL QB; no. But what I am saying is the risk versus gain in taking him so high isn't worth it. There are other QB's with comparable question marks that can be had in the later rounds.

Now if you want to attack me because I don't want to get in on your Cam Newton stroke fest then fine. I still stand by my opinion.
[ Edited by mavfd9er on Jan 15, 2011 at 11:46 AM ]
^^ Had a horrific game in the national championship when he faced a smaller and faster defense. Made HORRIBLE decisions and throws when he was rushed. I really dont see him being a good QB in this league.
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by ttime1:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Newton is the most talented of the big 4 QB prospects (Locker, Gabbert, Newton, Mallett).

But, I just get the feeling he wants an NFL paycheck more than he wants to continue the long line of great 49er QBs.

Maybe its about how he got busted down at Florida. Or how his Dad shamelessly shopped him around. Will the work ethic still be there after he gets his NFL millions? Matt Lineart and JaWalrus focused on partying. We'll see if Scam is any different no matter who drafts him.

Although I understand your concern, I'm wondering what evidence do you have to support your conclusion. Everyone knows that the NCAA is a joke when it comes to student athletes. Cam did not go to college to get a degree and the NCAA made a whole lotta money off him. And if your contention is that his dad sought to bend the rules, then you should apply that to the 49ers as bending the sallary cap rules is what help produce five rings.

Was no cap in the NFL till 1994.

Which is when they started playing with the numbers.
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Originally posted by mavfd9er:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by SourdoughDan:
Originally posted by mavfd9er:
HELL NO!

What an insightful piece of information!!! I'm sold!!


Yah, any clown can just say "no, don't do this," or "that guy sucks," or whatever. Grow a pair and tell us WHY you don't like the guy, or why you want us to draft for another position, etc.

Hey thanks for the attack jackass. I guess I'll "grow a pair" and give some reasons why we shouldn't take him.

1. Question mark on intangibles: Had some off the field issues. Does he really have the work ethic or maturity to be an elite NFL QB?

2. System guy: Spread offense inflates stats. Does his game translate to the pros?

3. Hype: Did anyone know anything about him before this season. Aurburn's success this year drives up his stock.

4. Value: If your going to take him it'll have to be in the first round. Do you really want to go all in on a guy with these kind of question marks?

5. Options: This draft is stacked with elite talent at CB and DE positions. Any idle 49er fan knows these are big team needs.

Summary:

Am I saying Newton will never be a successful NFL QB; no. But what I am saying is the risk versus gain in taking him so high isn't worth it. There are other QB's with comparable question marks that can be had in the later rounds.

Now if you want to attack me because I don't want to get in on your Cam Newton stroke fest then fine. I still stand by my opinion.

now why didnt you say that to begin with? no one would of "attacked" you then.
Originally posted by mavfd9er:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by SourdoughDan:
Originally posted by mavfd9er:
HELL NO!

What an insightful piece of information!!! I'm sold!!


Yah, any clown can just say "no, don't do this," or "that guy sucks," or whatever. Grow a pair and tell us WHY you don't like the guy, or why you want us to draft for another position, etc.

Hey thanks for the attack jackass. I guess I'll "grow a pair" and give some reasons why we shouldn't take him.

1. Question mark on intangibles: Had some off the field issues. Does he really have the work ethic or maturity to be an elite NFL QB?

2. System guy: Spread offense inflates stats. Does his game translate to the pros?

3. Hype: Did anyone know anything about him before this season. Aurburn's success this year drives up his stock.

4. Value: If your going to take him it'll have to be in the first round. Do you really want to go all in on a guy with these kind of question marks?

5. Options: This draft is stacked with elite talent at CB and DE positions. Any idle 49er fan knows these are big team needs.

Summary:

Am I saying Newton will never be a successful NFL QB; no. But what I am saying is the risk versus gain in taking him so high isn't worth it. There are other QB's with comparable question marks that can be had in the later rounds.

Now if you want to attack me because I don't want to get in on your Cam Newton stroke fest then fine. I still stand by my opinion.

There you go. Was that so hard?

1.) It depends on what you mean by intangibles. Is he a winner, does he give it all on the field, is he a leader, does he seem to have the "it" factor? I say yes to all of that. However, your questions about maturity and work ethic off the field are valid.

2.) "System" guys have to be evaluated differently, there's no doubt about it. You have to get a sense for their level of understanding of defenses/coverages (when teams show this, it could mean this or that, and within our offensive system I can do this, this or this to beat it, etc.). IMO, this will be the biggest issue with Cam; it will either move up the boards, or drop him. Tebow proved he has the smarts/offensive understanding to make the transition a little smoother....Cam needs to do the same.

3.) He was the successor to Tebow in Florida, and I highly touted recruit. Not only that, he won a JC national championship and was heavily recruited again after that (as we now know)...so he's been on people's radars for awhile now.

4.) You know he has the tools, so that's not a real issue. However, if you think he has the smarts and the dedication to be a great QB, then you take him in the 1st. if you're unsure of the last two, you could be wasting a 1st round pick (IMO).

5.) This is definitely a deep CB draft. Which means, I think you can get a CB in the 2nd or 3rd that has as much potential as anyone we can get at #7 (namely, Prince). They may not have the name recognition, but they're just as talented and could be developed. If we sign a veteran CB, this may be the route to go as opposed to drafting a CB in the 1st. I disagree with you on the pass rusher position though. I think there's a handful of solid 3-4 OLB options (mostly 1st or very early 2nd rounders). The rest (IMO) are developmental and likely not ready to step in anytime soon and make an impact.

6.) As you can see, I have questions about Cam too, and have no interest in conducting a "stroke fest," as you call it. I was just asking for a few more details on your part.
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Jan 15, 2011 at 12:40 PM ]
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