Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Aaron Rodgers OWNED the Falcons today. Jeez if we had picked him instead of Alex "the bust" Smith, this would be a whole different franchise right now. If I ever meet Smith, I'm going to knock his teeth out for wasting 6 years of our time.
come on Shaj, youre teach at a college. you should have some common sense.
Alex Smith failed because our franchise is inept. Aaron Rodgers succeeded because his franchise is elite.
Aaron Rodgers wouldve sucked for us. when youre thrust into playing right off the bat with no OL, no WR, horrible coaching, a horrible front office building the team around you, and multiple injuries occurring, ANYONE wouldve sucked. ANYONE! Peyton Manning. Tom Brady. Drew Brees. etc, etc, etc.
im sick of the entire 49er fanbase being so ignorant about this. Aaron Rodgers got to stand on the sideline with a clipboard and learn from Brett Favre for 3 years in GB, and he was on a team that knows how to win from the top down. they have an excellent front office and excellent coaching. he was developed properly.
and 3 years after learning the SAME offense with the same coaching staff, he stepped in and had pass catchers like Donald Driver and Greg Jennings at his disposal.
Alex Smith was thrown onto the field in week 2 of his rookie season, where he was plastered into the ground every snap he took. the OL was bottom 5, the pass catchers were bottom 5, the coaching was bottom 5, and his OC's came and left every single year. he got beat up, he got injured, and was booed off the field regardless of whether the busted play was his fault or not.
their situations were as different as night and day. its extremely ignorant to say "we shoulda picked Rodgers!! look how good hes doing!".
situation is a huge part of the battle for a QB. if hes in a good system with good coaching, a good supporting cast, and with a team that knows how to maintain a good system, hes going to do MUCH better than if he was with a train wreck like the 49ers have been.
this board turned me into an Alex Smith fan, simply because of the level of ignorance about his play, and lack of blame towards all the other garbage players on this team was ridiculous. the OL would get spun around and pushed over, and Smith would get driven into the grass, and the whole fanbase is booing smith like he shouldve somehow made a great play.
whoever the 49ers picked in 2005 was doomed from the start, and whoever fell to a quality franchise with QB developing ability had it good. Smith lost, Rodgers won.
Well, if we were a Rams fan and Sam Bradford threw 1 TD and 11 INT's this year and stunk it up for years to come, we'd have no shortage of excuses, right? Drunk as a personnel director, he came from a non-pro offense and we threw him to the wolves, no-name first time coach, worst team in the NFL last year, and on and on.
If Matt Ryan came in and stunk it up like Alex, would be easy to explain too. Bobby Petrino ran out of town and hung them dry and nobody wanted to work for the falcons, Vick f'd up ruined the team and their morale, 3rd worst team in the NFL (based on draft pick), etc etc.
But guess what, these QBs came in and lit it up and are still lighting it up. Excuses are for losers, and that's what Smith made this franchise, NOT the other way around. Nolan and Scotty would both be here if Rodgers were selected (and if Scotty didn't have personal problems).
lol come on Shaj. youre in denial about how terrible this organization is ran. listen to yourself. you think that Alex Smith is just so terrible that he brought the whole franchise down with him, and wed be winners right now with Mike Nolan if we had Aaron Rodgers?
Youre kidding yourself. Aaron Rodgers wouldve fell on his face here as well. the 49ers of this decade have been a QB graveyard. find me a team with a bad OL, mediocre pass catchers, and that changes their offensive playbook every season who has a great QB. find me one team.
forget Alex Smith. how about Manning, Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Rodgers, Flacco, Ryan, pick anyone you want. stick them on the Niners from 2005 through 2010. No OL, the set of pass catchers weve had, change the playbook every season, and throw in some major injuries. this fanbase is running every one of those guys i listed out of town for sucking.
its a mentality. most of this fanbase was spoiled with Montana and Young. even Jeff Garcia was a pro bowl caliber QB but got little respect here. the entire system was a mess from day 1 of the Alex Smith era. the ownership had no idea what it was doing. they didnt hire good decision makers. they didnt know anything about football. they hired a poor coach who hired a poor GM, they promoted another poor coach, they assembled a poor offensive line, a poor receiver corps, and kept firing and re-hiring new offensive coordinators because they couldnt make a good hire.
Alex Smith was given 0% chance to succeed here. he was doomed from the start. and ANY QB in the NFL wouldve had the same fate under this disaster that was the last 6 seasons.
I fully understand that Alex isnt a superstar QB, and he made alot of mistakes. he does deserve blame, but all the circumstances ive listed MUST be recognized if you want to look at it from a common sense perspective.
In the NFL your ability can be relative to who you have around you. great players might just be good in bad situations. terrible players might be elevated to decent players in good situations. would Tom Brady be a HOFer without Bill Belichick? maybe, maybe not. would most of the Patriots team be considered mediocre football players without Belichick? probably. yet theyre the best team in the NFL collectively.
Alex Smith couldve been better with better opportunities. if the ownership had hired better football people, they wouldve hired better coaches, who wouldve made better personnel choices. you dont think Smith wouldve looked a little better with an OL like the Colts or Jets? of course he would. hed actually have time to look around and throw. Alex was always very solid when he had time to throw. he just hardly got those chances. he spent half his career on his back.
what if he had gotten Greg Jennings and Donald Driver as his WR instead of Arnaz Battle and Josh Morgan? you think that wouldve helped a little? an OL who can block and veteran WR's who could catch? your QB situation is only as good as the benefits you provide for him.
Harbaugh is going to develop a QB, but itll only translate into winning if he can built up a solid OL and get some guys to catch the passes. maybe Crabtree is one of those guys, maybe he isnt. the OL looks to have a bright future at the moment. we'll have to wait and see.