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Conversation on Sunday, Alex Smith vs. Aaron Rodgers

Originally posted by niner4life21:
I agree with Afrikan. People make it seem as if Smith and Rodgers are the EXACT same QB, and that if you switch their teams, you will see the results the other QB had.

it doesn't work that way. Sure, coaching and supporting cast are important, but a lot of it has to do with the QB himself. You can easily see that Rodgers has a better feel for the QB position than Smith.

Anyone who says that Smith's arm, accuracy and pocket presence are as good as or better than Rodger's are just kidding themselves.

altho i do feel, as QBs, they have similar styles, i concede that aaron does everything better...he's more confident, makes quicker decisions, and puts the ball on the money consistently...

alex has lacked consistency across the board, from footwork, to making reads, making the right split-second decisions, trusting himself to put the ball where only the WR can get it, along with ability sense pressure in the pocket...alex has always had trouble when the game plan goes awry, he has difficulty remaining calm and collected at the first glimpse of adversity. he begins forcing things and then the domino effect takes over
Truth is, Nolan screwed up BIG TIME! He picked the guy that would do as HE wanted rather than the guy with the FIRE! Rodgers has more pocket awareness and a stronger arm. You can see it in the game and you can see he can improvise, make decisions much faster than Alex. I think Alex can be good in the right style system but you cannot compare these two. Compare Rodgers to somebody like Brees and compare Alex to somebody like D. Anderson. They are nowhere close to being the same and Rodgers was the steal of that draft! The Niners screwed up BIG TIME!
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Aaron Rodgers OWNED the Falcons today. Jeez if we had picked him instead of Alex "the bust" Smith, this would be a whole different franchise right now. If I ever meet Smith, I'm going to knock his teeth out for wasting 6 years of our time.

come on Shaj, youre teach at a college. you should have some common sense.

Alex Smith failed because our franchise is inept. Aaron Rodgers succeeded because his franchise is elite.

Aaron Rodgers wouldve sucked for us. when youre thrust into playing right off the bat with no OL, no WR, horrible coaching, a horrible front office building the team around you, and multiple injuries occurring, ANYONE wouldve sucked. ANYONE! Peyton Manning. Tom Brady. Drew Brees. etc, etc, etc.

im sick of the entire 49er fanbase being so ignorant about this. Aaron Rodgers got to stand on the sideline with a clipboard and learn from Brett Favre for 3 years in GB, and he was on a team that knows how to win from the top down. they have an excellent front office and excellent coaching. he was developed properly.

and 3 years after learning the SAME offense with the same coaching staff, he stepped in and had pass catchers like Donald Driver and Greg Jennings at his disposal.

Alex Smith was thrown onto the field in week 2 of his rookie season, where he was plastered into the ground every snap he took. the OL was bottom 5, the pass catchers were bottom 5, the coaching was bottom 5, and his OC's came and left every single year. he got beat up, he got injured, and was booed off the field regardless of whether the busted play was his fault or not.

their situations were as different as night and day. its extremely ignorant to say "we shoulda picked Rodgers!! look how good hes doing!".

situation is a huge part of the battle for a QB. if hes in a good system with good coaching, a good supporting cast, and with a team that knows how to maintain a good system, hes going to do MUCH better than if he was with a train wreck like the 49ers have been.

this board turned me into an Alex Smith fan, simply because of the level of ignorance about his play, and lack of blame towards all the other garbage players on this team was ridiculous. the OL would get spun around and pushed over, and Smith would get driven into the grass, and the whole fanbase is booing smith like he shouldve somehow made a great play.

whoever the 49ers picked in 2005 was doomed from the start, and whoever fell to a quality franchise with QB developing ability had it good. Smith lost, Rodgers won.

Well, if we were a Rams fan and Sam Bradford threw 1 TD and 11 INT's this year and stunk it up for years to come, we'd have no shortage of excuses, right? Drunk as a personnel director, he came from a non-pro offense and we threw him to the wolves, no-name first time coach, worst team in the NFL last year, and on and on.

If Matt Ryan came in and stunk it up like Alex, would be easy to explain too. Bobby Petrino ran out of town and hung them dry and nobody wanted to work for the falcons, Vick f'd up ruined the team and their morale, 3rd worst team in the NFL (based on draft pick), etc etc.

But guess what, these QBs came in and lit it up and are still lighting it up. Excuses are for losers, and that's what Smith made this franchise, NOT the other way around. Nolan and Scotty would both be here if Rodgers were selected (and if Scotty didn't have personal problems).

lol come on Shaj. youre in denial about how terrible this organization is ran. listen to yourself. you think that Alex Smith is just so terrible that he brought the whole franchise down with him, and wed be winners right now with Mike Nolan if we had Aaron Rodgers?

Youre kidding yourself. Aaron Rodgers wouldve fell on his face here as well. the 49ers of this decade have been a QB graveyard. find me a team with a bad OL, mediocre pass catchers, and that changes their offensive playbook every season who has a great QB. find me one team.

forget Alex Smith. how about Manning, Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Rodgers, Flacco, Ryan, pick anyone you want. stick them on the Niners from 2005 through 2010. No OL, the set of pass catchers weve had, change the playbook every season, and throw in some major injuries. this fanbase is running every one of those guys i listed out of town for sucking.

its a mentality. most of this fanbase was spoiled with Montana and Young. even Jeff Garcia was a pro bowl caliber QB but got little respect here. the entire system was a mess from day 1 of the Alex Smith era. the ownership had no idea what it was doing. they didnt hire good decision makers. they didnt know anything about football. they hired a poor coach who hired a poor GM, they promoted another poor coach, they assembled a poor offensive line, a poor receiver corps, and kept firing and re-hiring new offensive coordinators because they couldnt make a good hire.

Alex Smith was given 0% chance to succeed here. he was doomed from the start. and ANY QB in the NFL wouldve had the same fate under this disaster that was the last 6 seasons.

I fully understand that Alex isnt a superstar QB, and he made alot of mistakes. he does deserve blame, but all the circumstances ive listed MUST be recognized if you want to look at it from a common sense perspective.

In the NFL your ability can be relative to who you have around you. great players might just be good in bad situations. terrible players might be elevated to decent players in good situations. would Tom Brady be a HOFer without Bill Belichick? maybe, maybe not. would most of the Patriots team be considered mediocre football players without Belichick? probably. yet theyre the best team in the NFL collectively.

Alex Smith couldve been better with better opportunities. if the ownership had hired better football people, they wouldve hired better coaches, who wouldve made better personnel choices. you dont think Smith wouldve looked a little better with an OL like the Colts or Jets? of course he would. hed actually have time to look around and throw. Alex was always very solid when he had time to throw. he just hardly got those chances. he spent half his career on his back.

what if he had gotten Greg Jennings and Donald Driver as his WR instead of Arnaz Battle and Josh Morgan? you think that wouldve helped a little? an OL who can block and veteran WR's who could catch? your QB situation is only as good as the benefits you provide for him.

Harbaugh is going to develop a QB, but itll only translate into winning if he can built up a solid OL and get some guys to catch the passes. maybe Crabtree is one of those guys, maybe he isnt. the OL looks to have a bright future at the moment. we'll have to wait and see.
Let's admit, that in hindsight, we f**ked up.

Let's move on.org.
Originally posted by daWest:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
I agree with Afrikan. People make it seem as if Smith and Rodgers are the EXACT same QB, and that if you switch their teams, you will see the results the other QB had.

it doesn't work that way. Sure, coaching and supporting cast are important, but a lot of it has to do with the QB himself. You can easily see that Rodgers has a better feel for the QB position than Smith.

Anyone who says that Smith's arm, accuracy and pocket presence are as good as or better than Rodger's are just kidding themselves.

altho i do feel, as QBs, they have similar styles, i concede that aaron does everything better...he's more confident, makes quicker decisions, and puts the ball on the money consistently...

alex has lacked consistency across the board, from footwork, to making reads, making the right split-second decisions, trusting himself to put the ball where only the WR can get it, along with ability sense pressure in the pocket...alex has always had trouble when the game plan goes awry, he has difficulty remaining calm and collected at the first glimpse of adversity. he begins forcing things and then the domino effect takes over

Alex supporters keep pointing out how we have weak receivers. I for one believe that we will never find out how good our receivers were b/c of the lack of good QB play. Baalke said it himself.

We don't get to see the receivers running their routes down the field. How can people automatically assume that its the receivers not getting separation? It could be the fact that the QB is afraid to throw it down the field?
At the time the 49ers drafted Alex he was almost universally tabbed as #1 QB. Rodgers dropped to #24 cuz he was seen as system QB and other Cal QB's had not lived up to expectations. Too bad we can't hold these pundits feet to the fire.
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Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Aaron Rodgers OWNED the Falcons today. Jeez if we had picked him instead of Alex "the bust" Smith, this would be a whole different franchise right now. If I ever meet Smith, I'm going to knock his teeth out for wasting 6 years of our time.

come on Shaj, youre teach at a college. you should have some common sense.

Alex Smith failed because our franchise is inept. Aaron Rodgers succeeded because his franchise is elite.

Aaron Rodgers wouldve sucked for us. when youre thrust into playing right off the bat with no OL, no WR, horrible coaching, a horrible front office building the team around you, and multiple injuries occurring, ANYONE wouldve sucked. ANYONE! Peyton Manning. Tom Brady. Drew Brees. etc, etc, etc.

im sick of the entire 49er fanbase being so ignorant about this. Aaron Rodgers got to stand on the sideline with a clipboard and learn from Brett Favre for 3 years in GB, and he was on a team that knows how to win from the top down. they have an excellent front office and excellent coaching. he was developed properly.

and 3 years after learning the SAME offense with the same coaching staff, he stepped in and had pass catchers like Donald Driver and Greg Jennings at his disposal.

Alex Smith was thrown onto the field in week 2 of his rookie season, where he was plastered into the ground every snap he took. the OL was bottom 5, the pass catchers were bottom 5, the coaching was bottom 5, and his OC's came and left every single year. he got beat up, he got injured, and was booed off the field regardless of whether the busted play was his fault or not.

their situations were as different as night and day. its extremely ignorant to say "we shoulda picked Rodgers!! look how good hes doing!".

situation is a huge part of the battle for a QB. if hes in a good system with good coaching, a good supporting cast, and with a team that knows how to maintain a good system, hes going to do MUCH better than if he was with a train wreck like the 49ers have been.

this board turned me into an Alex Smith fan, simply because of the level of ignorance about his play, and lack of blame towards all the other garbage players on this team was ridiculous. the OL would get spun around and pushed over, and Smith would get driven into the grass, and the whole fanbase is booing smith like he shouldve somehow made a great play.

whoever the 49ers picked in 2005 was doomed from the start, and whoever fell to a quality franchise with QB developing ability had it good. Smith lost, Rodgers won.

Well, if we were a Rams fan and Sam Bradford threw 1 TD and 11 INT's this year and stunk it up for years to come, we'd have no shortage of excuses, right? Drunk as a personnel director, he came from a non-pro offense and we threw him to the wolves, no-name first time coach, worst team in the NFL last year, and on and on.

If Matt Ryan came in and stunk it up like Alex, would be easy to explain too. Bobby Petrino ran out of town and hung them dry and nobody wanted to work for the falcons, Vick f'd up ruined the team and their morale, 3rd worst team in the NFL (based on draft pick), etc etc.

But guess what, these QBs came in and lit it up and are still lighting it up. Excuses are for losers, and that's what Smith made this franchise, NOT the other way around. Nolan and Scotty would both be here if Rodgers were selected (and if Scotty didn't have personal problems).

lol come on Shaj. youre in denial about how terrible this organization is ran. listen to yourself. you think that Alex Smith is just so terrible that he brought the whole franchise down with him, and wed be winners right now with Mike Nolan if we had Aaron Rodgers?

Youre kidding yourself. Aaron Rodgers wouldve fell on his face here as well. the 49ers of this decade have been a QB graveyard. find me a team with a bad OL, mediocre pass catchers, and that changes their offensive playbook every season who has a great QB. find me one team.

forget Alex Smith. how about Manning, Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Rodgers, Flacco, Ryan, pick anyone you want. stick them on the Niners from 2005 through 2010. No OL, the set of pass catchers weve had, change the playbook every season, and throw in some major injuries. this fanbase is running every one of those guys i listed out of town for sucking.

its a mentality. most of this fanbase was spoiled with Montana and Young. even Jeff Garcia was a pro bowl caliber QB but got little respect here. the entire system was a mess from day 1 of the Alex Smith era. the ownership had no idea what it was doing. they didnt hire good decision makers. they didnt know anything about football. they hired a poor coach who hired a poor GM, they promoted another poor coach, they assembled a poor offensive line, a poor receiver corps, and kept firing and re-hiring new offensive coordinators because they couldnt make a good hire.

Alex Smith was given 0% chance to succeed here. he was doomed from the start. and ANY QB in the NFL wouldve had the same fate under this disaster that was the last 6 seasons.

I fully understand that Alex isnt a superstar QB, and he made alot of mistakes. he does deserve blame, but all the circumstances ive listed MUST be recognized if you want to look at it from a common sense perspective.

In the NFL your ability can be relative to who you have around you. great players might just be good in bad situations. terrible players might be elevated to decent players in good situations. would Tom Brady be a HOFer without Bill Belichick? maybe, maybe not. would most of the Patriots team be considered mediocre football players without Belichick? probably. yet theyre the best team in the NFL collectively.

Alex Smith couldve been better with better opportunities. if the ownership had hired better football people, they wouldve hired better coaches, who wouldve made better personnel choices. you dont think Smith wouldve looked a little better with an OL like the Colts or Jets? of course he would. hed actually have time to look around and throw. Alex was always very solid when he had time to throw. he just hardly got those chances. he spent half his career on his back.

what if he had gotten Greg Jennings and Donald Driver as his WR instead of Arnaz Battle and Josh Morgan? you think that wouldve helped a little? an OL who can block and veteran WR's who could catch? your QB situation is only as good as the benefits you provide for him.

Harbaugh is going to develop a QB, but itll only translate into winning if he can built up a solid OL and get some guys to catch the passes. maybe Crabtree is one of those guys, maybe he isnt. the OL looks to have a bright future at the moment. we'll have to wait and see.

It's simple mathematics. Find the common denominator. It's so easy to point out head coaches, offensive coordinators, oline, lack of receivers, bad defense, refs, etc. but why cant we find the common denominator through all these things: Alex Smith. He's the only thing that hasnt changed. How many different receiver combos have we gone through ? Oline combos.......we're talking from Jonas Jennings to Mike Iupati..........we're talking Antonio Bryant to Michael Crabtree....we'r talking from Mike McCarthy to Jeff Hostler to Mike Johnson.

All we've ever done for Alex Smith as a fanbase is blame everyone else. Not Alex's fault, but rather the 2 head coaches, 7 offensive coordinators, at least 15 olineman, 5 different combos of receivers, and a myriad of defensive schemes.

But just cant point the finger at Alex. Interesting..........
I find it funny how people assume that if Rodgers was in Alex's situation for the past 6 years, he'd automatically have had a bad career.

You guys make it seem like the QB position is not very important.

Maybe teams should stop drafting QBs in the 1st round. I mean, whats the point? All you need to do is find a scrub like Alex and put him in a good situation and expect him to flourish. Right?
Hindsight is always 20-20

In Hindsight, we should not have hired The Suit or The Cross
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Aaron Rodgers OWNED the Falcons today. Jeez if we had picked him instead of Alex "the bust" Smith, this would be a whole different franchise right now. If I ever meet Smith, I'm going to knock his teeth out for wasting 6 years of our time.

come on Shaj, youre teach at a college. you should have some common sense.

Alex Smith failed because our franchise is inept. Aaron Rodgers succeeded because his franchise is elite.

Aaron Rodgers wouldve sucked for us. when youre thrust into playing right off the bat with no OL, no WR, horrible coaching, a horrible front office building the team around you, and multiple injuries occurring, ANYONE wouldve sucked. ANYONE! Peyton Manning. Tom Brady. Drew Brees. etc, etc, etc.

im sick of the entire 49er fanbase being so ignorant about this. Aaron Rodgers got to stand on the sideline with a clipboard and learn from Brett Favre for 3 years in GB, and he was on a team that knows how to win from the top down. they have an excellent front office and excellent coaching. he was developed properly.

and 3 years after learning the SAME offense with the same coaching staff, he stepped in and had pass catchers like Donald Driver and Greg Jennings at his disposal.

Alex Smith was thrown onto the field in week 2 of his rookie season, where he was plastered into the ground every snap he took. the OL was bottom 5, the pass catchers were bottom 5, the coaching was bottom 5, and his OC's came and left every single year. he got beat up, he got injured, and was booed off the field regardless of whether the busted play was his fault or not.

their situations were as different as night and day. its extremely ignorant to say "we shoulda picked Rodgers!! look how good hes doing!".

situation is a huge part of the battle for a QB. if hes in a good system with good coaching, a good supporting cast, and with a team that knows how to maintain a good system, hes going to do MUCH better than if he was with a train wreck like the 49ers have been.

this board turned me into an Alex Smith fan, simply because of the level of ignorance about his play, and lack of blame towards all the other garbage players on this team was ridiculous. the OL would get spun around and pushed over, and Smith would get driven into the grass, and the whole fanbase is booing smith like he shouldve somehow made a great play.

whoever the 49ers picked in 2005 was doomed from the start, and whoever fell to a quality franchise with QB developing ability had it good. Smith lost, Rodgers won.

Well, if we were a Rams fan and Sam Bradford threw 1 TD and 11 INT's this year and stunk it up for years to come, we'd have no shortage of excuses, right? Drunk as a personnel director, he came from a non-pro offense and we threw him to the wolves, no-name first time coach, worst team in the NFL last year, and on and on.

If Matt Ryan came in and stunk it up like Alex, would be easy to explain too. Bobby Petrino ran out of town and hung them dry and nobody wanted to work for the falcons, Vick f'd up ruined the team and their morale, 3rd worst team in the NFL (based on draft pick), etc etc.

But guess what, these QBs came in and lit it up and are still lighting it up. Excuses are for losers, and that's what Smith made this franchise, NOT the other way around. Nolan and Scotty would both be here if Rodgers were selected (and if Scotty didn't have personal problems).

lol come on Shaj. youre in denial about how terrible this organization is ran. listen to yourself. you think that Alex Smith is just so terrible that he brought the whole franchise down with him, and wed be winners right now with Mike Nolan if we had Aaron Rodgers?

Youre kidding yourself. Aaron Rodgers wouldve fell on his face here as well. the 49ers of this decade have been a QB graveyard. find me a team with a bad OL, mediocre pass catchers, and that changes their offensive playbook every season who has a great QB. find me one team.

forget Alex Smith. how about Manning, Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Rodgers, Flacco, Ryan, pick anyone you want. stick them on the Niners from 2005 through 2010. No OL, the set of pass catchers weve had, change the playbook every season, and throw in some major injuries. this fanbase is running every one of those guys i listed out of town for sucking.

its a mentality. most of this fanbase was spoiled with Montana and Young. even Jeff Garcia was a pro bowl caliber QB but got little respect here. the entire system was a mess from day 1 of the Alex Smith era. the ownership had no idea what it was doing. they didnt hire good decision makers. they didnt know anything about football. they hired a poor coach who hired a poor GM, they promoted another poor coach, they assembled a poor offensive line, a poor receiver corps, and kept firing and re-hiring new offensive coordinators because they couldnt make a good hire.

Alex Smith was given 0% chance to succeed here. he was doomed from the start. and ANY QB in the NFL wouldve had the same fate under this disaster that was the last 6 seasons.

I fully understand that Alex isnt a superstar QB, and he made alot of mistakes. he does deserve blame, but all the circumstances ive listed MUST be recognized if you want to look at it from a common sense perspective.

In the NFL your ability can be relative to who you have around you. great players might just be good in bad situations. terrible players might be elevated to decent players in good situations. would Tom Brady be a HOFer without Bill Belichick? maybe, maybe not. would most of the Patriots team be considered mediocre football players without Belichick? probably. yet theyre the best team in the NFL collectively.

Alex Smith couldve been better with better opportunities. if the ownership had hired better football people, they wouldve hired better coaches, who wouldve made better personnel choices. you dont think Smith wouldve looked a little better with an OL like the Colts or Jets? of course he would. hed actually have time to look around and throw. Alex was always very solid when he had time to throw. he just hardly got those chances. he spent half his career on his back.

what if he had gotten Greg Jennings and Donald Driver as his WR instead of Arnaz Battle and Josh Morgan? you think that wouldve helped a little? an OL who can block and veteran WR's who could catch? your QB situation is only as good as the benefits you provide for him.

Harbaugh is going to develop a QB, but itll only translate into winning if he can built up a solid OL and get some guys to catch the passes. maybe Crabtree is one of those guys, maybe he isnt. the OL looks to have a bright future at the moment. we'll have to wait and see.

It's simple mathematics. Find the common denominator. It's so easy to point out head coaches, offensive coordinators, oline, lack of receivers, bad defense, refs, etc. but why cant we find the common denominator through all these things: Alex Smith. He's the only thing that hasnt changed. How many different receiver combos have we gone through ? Oline combos.......we're talking from Jonas Jennings to Mike Iupati..........we're talking Antonio Bryant to Michael Crabtree....we'r talking from Mike McCarthy to Jeff Hostler to Mike Johnson.

All we've ever done for Alex Smith as a fanbase is blame everyone else. Not Alex's fault, but rather the 2 head coaches, 7 offensive coordinators, at least 15 olineman, 5 different combos of receivers, and a myriad of defensive schemes.

But just cant point the finger at Alex. Interesting..........

lol so youre saying Alex Smith is the reason everyone else has sucked on this team? Alex is the reason Nolan sucked, Singletary sucked, our OL sucked, our WR's sucked, etc?

it all starts with the OL. if they block, the QB can throw. our OL didnt block. if you want to lay ALL the blame on one area, its the OL first and foremost, and its not even close.

we didnt go anywhere with Shaun Hill either. or JTO. Alex is not the common denominator. we changed QB's several times since 05, and STILL sucked. your statement isnt accurate.
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Well we can all sit here and cry about it all day long. But it won't change a thing. We can't go back in a time machine to 2005. NoWin and Scot Drunk chose who they chose. Both are gone and the rest is history. You just have to go forward from here.

Once upon a time the Chargers picked Ryan Leaf. Who was a bigger bust than Alex I might ad. They could cry about it and wallow in their misery. But instead the picked again and again. And they ended up with Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers. So they picked again and again and hit big twice.

You just have to get over it and move forward. It's 2011 now. And we have to find our guy now and move forward.




These guys are stuck complaining about the past.
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I cant wait till Alex signs with another team so i don't have to come into niner talk and see another Alex Smith thread....
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Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Aaron Rodgers OWNED the Falcons today. Jeez if we had picked him instead of Alex "the bust" Smith, this would be a whole different franchise right now. If I ever meet Smith, I'm going to knock his teeth out for wasting 6 years of our time.

come on Shaj, youre teach at a college. you should have some common sense.

Alex Smith failed because our franchise is inept. Aaron Rodgers succeeded because his franchise is elite.

Aaron Rodgers wouldve sucked for us. when youre thrust into playing right off the bat with no OL, no WR, horrible coaching, a horrible front office building the team around you, and multiple injuries occurring, ANYONE wouldve sucked. ANYONE! Peyton Manning. Tom Brady. Drew Brees. etc, etc, etc.

im sick of the entire 49er fanbase being so ignorant about this. Aaron Rodgers got to stand on the sideline with a clipboard and learn from Brett Favre for 3 years in GB, and he was on a team that knows how to win from the top down. they have an excellent front office and excellent coaching. he was developed properly.

and 3 years after learning the SAME offense with the same coaching staff, he stepped in and had pass catchers like Donald Driver and Greg Jennings at his disposal.

Alex Smith was thrown onto the field in week 2 of his rookie season, where he was plastered into the ground every snap he took. the OL was bottom 5, the pass catchers were bottom 5, the coaching was bottom 5, and his OC's came and left every single year. he got beat up, he got injured, and was booed off the field regardless of whether the busted play was his fault or not.

their situations were as different as night and day. its extremely ignorant to say "we shoulda picked Rodgers!! look how good hes doing!".

situation is a huge part of the battle for a QB. if hes in a good system with good coaching, a good supporting cast, and with a team that knows how to maintain a good system, hes going to do MUCH better than if he was with a train wreck like the 49ers have been.

this board turned me into an Alex Smith fan, simply because of the level of ignorance about his play, and lack of blame towards all the other garbage players on this team was ridiculous. the OL would get spun around and pushed over, and Smith would get driven into the grass, and the whole fanbase is booing smith like he shouldve somehow made a great play.

whoever the 49ers picked in 2005 was doomed from the start, and whoever fell to a quality franchise with QB developing ability had it good. Smith lost, Rodgers won.

Well, if we were a Rams fan and Sam Bradford threw 1 TD and 11 INT's this year and stunk it up for years to come, we'd have no shortage of excuses, right? Drunk as a personnel director, he came from a non-pro offense and we threw him to the wolves, no-name first time coach, worst team in the NFL last year, and on and on.

If Matt Ryan came in and stunk it up like Alex, would be easy to explain too. Bobby Petrino ran out of town and hung them dry and nobody wanted to work for the falcons, Vick f'd up ruined the team and their morale, 3rd worst team in the NFL (based on draft pick), etc etc.

But guess what, these QBs came in and lit it up and are still lighting it up. Excuses are for losers, and that's what Smith made this franchise, NOT the other way around. Nolan and Scotty would both be here if Rodgers were selected (and if Scotty didn't have personal problems).

lol come on Shaj. youre in denial about how terrible this organization is ran. listen to yourself. you think that Alex Smith is just so terrible that he brought the whole franchise down with him, and wed be winners right now with Mike Nolan if we had Aaron Rodgers?

Youre kidding yourself. Aaron Rodgers wouldve fell on his face here as well. the 49ers of this decade have been a QB graveyard. find me a team with a bad OL, mediocre pass catchers, and that changes their offensive playbook every season who has a great QB. find me one team.

forget Alex Smith. how about Manning, Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Rodgers, Flacco, Ryan, pick anyone you want. stick them on the Niners from 2005 through 2010. No OL, the set of pass catchers weve had, change the playbook every season, and throw in some major injuries. this fanbase is running every one of those guys i listed out of town for sucking.

its a mentality. most of this fanbase was spoiled with Montana and Young. even Jeff Garcia was a pro bowl caliber QB but got little respect here. the entire system was a mess from day 1 of the Alex Smith era. the ownership had no idea what it was doing. they didnt hire good decision makers. they didnt know anything about football. they hired a poor coach who hired a poor GM, they promoted another poor coach, they assembled a poor offensive line, a poor receiver corps, and kept firing and re-hiring new offensive coordinators because they couldnt make a good hire.

Alex Smith was given 0% chance to succeed here. he was doomed from the start. and ANY QB in the NFL wouldve had the same fate under this disaster that was the last 6 seasons.

I fully understand that Alex isnt a superstar QB, and he made alot of mistakes. he does deserve blame, but all the circumstances ive listed MUST be recognized if you want to look at it from a common sense perspective.

In the NFL your ability can be relative to who you have around you. great players might just be good in bad situations. terrible players might be elevated to decent players in good situations. would Tom Brady be a HOFer without Bill Belichick? maybe, maybe not. would most of the Patriots team be considered mediocre football players without Belichick? probably. yet theyre the best team in the NFL collectively.

Alex Smith couldve been better with better opportunities. if the ownership had hired better football people, they wouldve hired better coaches, who wouldve made better personnel choices. you dont think Smith wouldve looked a little better with an OL like the Colts or Jets? of course he would. hed actually have time to look around and throw. Alex was always very solid when he had time to throw. he just hardly got those chances. he spent half his career on his back.

what if he had gotten Greg Jennings and Donald Driver as his WR instead of Arnaz Battle and Josh Morgan? you think that wouldve helped a little? an OL who can block and veteran WR's who could catch? your QB situation is only as good as the benefits you provide for him.

Harbaugh is going to develop a QB, but itll only translate into winning if he can built up a solid OL and get some guys to catch the passes. maybe Crabtree is one of those guys, maybe he isnt. the OL looks to have a bright future at the moment. we'll have to wait and see.

It's simple mathematics. Find the common denominator. It's so easy to point out head coaches, offensive coordinators, oline, lack of receivers, bad defense, refs, etc. but why cant we find the common denominator through all these things: Alex Smith. He's the only thing that hasnt changed. How many different receiver combos have we gone through ? Oline combos.......we're talking from Jonas Jennings to Mike Iupati..........we're talking Antonio Bryant to Michael Crabtree....we'r talking from Mike McCarthy to Jeff Hostler to Mike Johnson.

All we've ever done for Alex Smith as a fanbase is blame everyone else. Not Alex's fault, but rather the 2 head coaches, 7 offensive coordinators, at least 15 olineman, 5 different combos of receivers, and a myriad of defensive schemes.

But just cant point the finger at Alex. Interesting..........

lol so youre saying Alex Smith is the reason everyone else has sucked on this team? Alex is the reason Nolan sucked, Singletary sucked, our OL sucked, our WR's sucked, etc?

it all starts with the OL. if they block, the QB can throw. our OL didnt block. if you want to lay ALL the blame on one area, its the OL first and foremost, and its not even close.

we didnt go anywhere with Shaun Hill either. or JTO. Alex is not the common denominator. we changed QB's several times since 05, and STILL sucked. your statement isnt accurate.


We had more success with Hill using the same schemes / offensive philosophies as Smith. Why was that ? (and keep in mind we never "tweaked" the playbook in Hill's favor like we did with Alex)
Originally posted by niner4life21:
I find it funny how people assume that if Rodgers was in Alex's situation for the past 6 years, he'd automatically have had a bad career.

You guys make it seem like the QB position is not very important.

Maybe teams should stop drafting QBs in the 1st round. I mean, whats the point? All you need to do is find a scrub like Alex and put him in a good situation and expect him to flourish. Right?

wtf kind of logic is that?

Alex has never been in a good situation in his career. how do you know he wouldnt flourish in a good situations. how many QB's dont look good in a good situations?

if you can find me proof that a QB can be great with awful coaching, OL, and WR's, go right ahead. there hasnt been 1 occurrence in NFL history, but if you want to hang your hat on that theory, so be it.

the fact that some people dont see how GB is a quality run franchise that developed Rodgers really well, and SF is a horribly ran franchise that cant develop a QB to save their lives, is amazing to me.
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Aaron Rodgers OWNED the Falcons today. Jeez if we had picked him instead of Alex "the bust" Smith, this would be a whole different franchise right now. If I ever meet Smith, I'm going to knock his teeth out for wasting 6 years of our time.

come on Shaj, youre teach at a college. you should have some common sense.

Alex Smith failed because our franchise is inept. Aaron Rodgers succeeded because his franchise is elite.

Aaron Rodgers wouldve sucked for us. when youre thrust into playing right off the bat with no OL, no WR, horrible coaching, a horrible front office building the team around you, and multiple injuries occurring, ANYONE wouldve sucked. ANYONE! Peyton Manning. Tom Brady. Drew Brees. etc, etc, etc.

im sick of the entire 49er fanbase being so ignorant about this. Aaron Rodgers got to stand on the sideline with a clipboard and learn from Brett Favre for 3 years in GB, and he was on a team that knows how to win from the top down. they have an excellent front office and excellent coaching. he was developed properly.

and 3 years after learning the SAME offense with the same coaching staff, he stepped in and had pass catchers like Donald Driver and Greg Jennings at his disposal.

Alex Smith was thrown onto the field in week 2 of his rookie season, where he was plastered into the ground every snap he took. the OL was bottom 5, the pass catchers were bottom 5, the coaching was bottom 5, and his OC's came and left every single year. he got beat up, he got injured, and was booed off the field regardless of whether the busted play was his fault or not.

their situations were as different as night and day. its extremely ignorant to say "we shoulda picked Rodgers!! look how good hes doing!".

situation is a huge part of the battle for a QB. if hes in a good system with good coaching, a good supporting cast, and with a team that knows how to maintain a good system, hes going to do MUCH better than if he was with a train wreck like the 49ers have been.

this board turned me into an Alex Smith fan, simply because of the level of ignorance about his play, and lack of blame towards all the other garbage players on this team was ridiculous. the OL would get spun around and pushed over, and Smith would get driven into the grass, and the whole fanbase is booing smith like he shouldve somehow made a great play.

whoever the 49ers picked in 2005 was doomed from the start, and whoever fell to a quality franchise with QB developing ability had it good. Smith lost, Rodgers won.

Well, if we were a Rams fan and Sam Bradford threw 1 TD and 11 INT's this year and stunk it up for years to come, we'd have no shortage of excuses, right? Drunk as a personnel director, he came from a non-pro offense and we threw him to the wolves, no-name first time coach, worst team in the NFL last year, and on and on.

If Matt Ryan came in and stunk it up like Alex, would be easy to explain too. Bobby Petrino ran out of town and hung them dry and nobody wanted to work for the falcons, Vick f'd up ruined the team and their morale, 3rd worst team in the NFL (based on draft pick), etc etc.

But guess what, these QBs came in and lit it up and are still lighting it up. Excuses are for losers, and that's what Smith made this franchise, NOT the other way around. Nolan and Scotty would both be here if Rodgers were selected (and if Scotty didn't have personal problems).

lol come on Shaj. youre in denial about how terrible this organization is ran. listen to yourself. you think that Alex Smith is just so terrible that he brought the whole franchise down with him, and wed be winners right now with Mike Nolan if we had Aaron Rodgers?

Youre kidding yourself. Aaron Rodgers wouldve fell on his face here as well. the 49ers of this decade have been a QB graveyard. find me a team with a bad OL, mediocre pass catchers, and that changes their offensive playbook every season who has a great QB. find me one team.

forget Alex Smith. how about Manning, Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Rodgers, Flacco, Ryan, pick anyone you want. stick them on the Niners from 2005 through 2010. No OL, the set of pass catchers weve had, change the playbook every season, and throw in some major injuries. this fanbase is running every one of those guys i listed out of town for sucking.

its a mentality. most of this fanbase was spoiled with Montana and Young. even Jeff Garcia was a pro bowl caliber QB but got little respect here. the entire system was a mess from day 1 of the Alex Smith era. the ownership had no idea what it was doing. they didnt hire good decision makers. they didnt know anything about football. they hired a poor coach who hired a poor GM, they promoted another poor coach, they assembled a poor offensive line, a poor receiver corps, and kept firing and re-hiring new offensive coordinators because they couldnt make a good hire.

Alex Smith was given 0% chance to succeed here. he was doomed from the start. and ANY QB in the NFL wouldve had the same fate under this disaster that was the last 6 seasons.

I fully understand that Alex isnt a superstar QB, and he made alot of mistakes. he does deserve blame, but all the circumstances ive listed MUST be recognized if you want to look at it from a common sense perspective.

In the NFL your ability can be relative to who you have around you. great players might just be good in bad situations. terrible players might be elevated to decent players in good situations. would Tom Brady be a HOFer without Bill Belichick? maybe, maybe not. would most of the Patriots team be considered mediocre football players without Belichick? probably. yet theyre the best team in the NFL collectively.

Alex Smith couldve been better with better opportunities. if the ownership had hired better football people, they wouldve hired better coaches, who wouldve made better personnel choices. you dont think Smith wouldve looked a little better with an OL like the Colts or Jets? of course he would. hed actually have time to look around and throw. Alex was always very solid when he had time to throw. he just hardly got those chances. he spent half his career on his back.

what if he had gotten Greg Jennings and Donald Driver as his WR instead of Arnaz Battle and Josh Morgan? you think that wouldve helped a little? an OL who can block and veteran WR's who could catch? your QB situation is only as good as the benefits you provide for him.

Harbaugh is going to develop a QB, but itll only translate into winning if he can built up a solid OL and get some guys to catch the passes. maybe Crabtree is one of those guys, maybe he isnt. the OL looks to have a bright future at the moment. we'll have to wait and see.

It's simple mathematics. Find the common denominator. It's so easy to point out head coaches, offensive coordinators, oline, lack of receivers, bad defense, refs, etc. but why cant we find the common denominator through all these things: Alex Smith. He's the only thing that hasnt changed. How many different receiver combos have we gone through ? Oline combos.......we're talking from Jonas Jennings to Mike Iupati..........we're talking Antonio Bryant to Michael Crabtree....we'r talking from Mike McCarthy to Jeff Hostler to Mike Johnson.

All we've ever done for Alex Smith as a fanbase is blame everyone else. Not Alex's fault, but rather the 2 head coaches, 7 offensive coordinators, at least 15 olineman, 5 different combos of receivers, and a myriad of defensive schemes.

But just cant point the finger at Alex. Interesting..........

lol so youre saying Alex Smith is the reason everyone else has sucked on this team? Alex is the reason Nolan sucked, Singletary sucked, our OL sucked, our WR's sucked, etc?

it all starts with the OL. if they block, the QB can throw. our OL didnt block. if you want to lay ALL the blame on one area, its the OL first and foremost, and its not even close.

we didnt go anywhere with Shaun Hill either. or JTO. Alex is not the common denominator. we changed QB's several times since 05, and STILL sucked. your statement isnt accurate.


We had more success with Hill using the same schemes / offensive philosophies as Smith. Why was that ? (and keep in mind we never "tweaked" the playbook in Hill's favor like we did with Alex)

yeah like when Hill got us to the playoffs. oh wait he didnt, he played so bad he got benched for Alex. nvm...

oh how people forget the noodle arm. when we were playing mediocre teams at home, everyone loved Hill. when we played real NFL teams, or on the road, Hill looked like a backup QB with no arm or playing experience.