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Steelers open to idea of trading Roethlisberger

Originally posted by aman49:
I don't want rapist QBs on my team. So just as I was anti-Mark Sanchez, I am anti-Ben.

Sounds like you're also against winning football games.
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by WINiner:
We had better offer 17, or this franchise FAILS. Ben is an unquestioned star in this league. The Steelers are dumb for trying to trade him and the Niners are fools if they don't bend over for the Steelers to acquire him.

Seriously i doubt they trade him, i think they are just using this to scare Ben.

And if they do, I am not convinced 17 will do it. Or anywhere near it.

McNabb traded for a 2nd, Holmes traded for a 5th. I would think 17 would do it, although now that I think about it I'm pretty sure you can't trade picks that were not originally yours.. If not go ahead and offer 13 instead. If it takes more, then offer 13 and our 3rd, or 13 and next years 2.

Being open to trading a franchise QB is not the way to go about things if you are trying to curb certain behavior. I mean look how quickly things blew up in Denver with Cutler at the mention of trading him. Ben has the upper hand here. I don't imagine he really cares if he stays in Pitt. I mean there are MANY places I would rather live personally. I mean it's not like Pitt is a yearly contender like say the Pats or Colts are, although I suppose they are the next best thing.
Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:

now this... is a bad picture!
They won't trade him.
Originally posted by Jcool:
There is less then a zero percent chance if they ever do decide to trade him he goes for anything less then what the Broncos got for Jay Culter, which would mean Alex Smith, either both our first round picks or a 1st and 2nd this year and our first round next year.

Normally I'd agree, but Big Ben will almost certainly be suspended for around 4 games this season, which will severely drop his trade value. The accusations placed on him over the last couple years will also drop his value. Cutler didn't have either of those issues when the Bears traded for him.

If we had a good QB, which we do NOT, I wouldn't want Big Ben. Since we don't, we should have no choice but to seriously consider trading for a 2-time Super bowl winning QB. We're trying to make a push into the playoffs and Ben has that experience. I'd be willing to acquire him despite any pending suspension or outside accusations. I want to WIN. That's all that matters.
If you were going to rank the 32 QB's by performance most attributable to the rest of the team...I would have to put Ben on the very top.

He could be very average on our very average team. I don't say that about all the successful QB's, but with Ben, I really think it is the case.
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by WINiner:
We had better offer 17, or this franchise FAILS. Ben is an unquestioned star in this league. The Steelers are dumb for trying to trade him and the Niners are fools if they don't bend over for the Steelers to acquire him.

Seriously i doubt they trade him, i think they are just using this to scare Ben.

And if they do, I am not convinced 17 will do it. Or anywhere near it.

McNabb traded for a 2nd, Holmes traded for a 5th. I would think 17 would do it, although now that I think about it I'm pretty sure you can't trade picks that were not originally yours.. If not go ahead and offer 13 instead. If it takes more, then offer 13 and our 3rd, or 13 and next years 2.

Being open to trading a franchise QB is not the way to go about things if you are trying to curb certain behavior. I mean look how quickly things blew up in Denver with Cutler at the mention of trading him. Ben has the upper hand here. I don't imagine he really cares if he stays in Pitt. I mean there are MANY places I would rather live personally. I mean it's not like Pitt is a yearly contender like say the Pats or Colts are, although I suppose they are the next best thing.

Are you having a joke with me? McNabb, whilst good, is 33 years old! He has a couple in the tank, maybe 3. And he was worth a second. Roeth has many more years left on the clock and has gone the distance. They will surely feel he is worth more than a mid range first. I say they go for a top first or two mid firsts.

And whilst I am not certain I think you can trade traded picks. Only comps can't be traded.
Originally posted by Tru2RedNGold25:
I am guessing all the anti Big Ben posters in here are all Smith backers & think that Smith is a waaaaaaaay better QB then Rosthlisberger...........if Smith fails us for the last time this season lets see if everybody regrets not wanting to reach out for a good QB

i cant believe people are so naive , knowing that upgrading the QB position would make us a instant playoff contender while sticking with Smith leaves question marks all across boards.
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Big Ben is a 2 TIME 2 TIME SUPERBOWL champion how can you doubt him & praise the garbage we have in Frisco



by the way if he was a rapist dont you think they would of charged him with something?

Areed. Roethlisberger is up there with the top 5 QBs in the league, he's up there with the likes of Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Big Ben. (in no specific order).

Where are Alex Smith and David Carr?? I would say bottom 10 QBs in the league.

Plug in Big Ben to our team and we would go very very deep into the playoffs.. and who knows??? superbowl?? i know this is a big statement, but the guy has done it before, twice.

I say do it!

Alex Smith, one 1st rounder, our 2nd round, throw in a 2nd round for next year and add Mark Roman while you're at it for Ben Roethlisberger.
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by WINiner:
We had better offer 17, or this franchise FAILS. Ben is an unquestioned star in this league. The Steelers are dumb for trying to trade him and the Niners are fools if they don't bend over for the Steelers to acquire him.

Seriously i doubt they trade him, i think they are just using this to scare Ben.

Are you serious? Why would that scare Ben? He'd just be on a different team. Still starting, still making the same money the Steelers tried to give him. Yeah, REAL scary.

Playing for the Rams for example compared to the Steelers. Thats scary
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Before the flood gates open......no. Until this s**t goes away I wouldn't touch him.

This would be stupid. Now would be the best time to make a trade for him, as his value will be slightly lower due to the circumstances.

Big Ben is an overrated QB, but he's still top 10, which is FAR better than anything we have on the roster. He has proven capable of winning the big game (as long as his defense is playing good football) and he would be a MUCH better option than any of our QBs if we want to make an impact in the playoffs. His contract is fair for a franchise QB, so that won't break a deal. I say we try as hard as we can do get this guy. If we don't, our front office has to be among the worst in the league.

So because we aren't calling him are front office is the worst in the league? So I'm assuming we fall into that category with another 20 teams who aren't calling either? His contract was 8yr $102 mill.....regardless of your thoughts that's a s**t load of money for a guy facing his first round of suspensions.
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
And right now, our QB spots, at least for now, are fixed. And they say if it aint broke dont fix it.

What a joke.
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Obviously he's a good QB but I wouldn't want him on our team. There's certain guys you just can't root for, and to me he's one of them.

Agreed. Maybe after the first rape allegation, but not after this one. Where there is smoke there is fire, and the Niners dont need the bad press when they are just starting to form a solid team.

Or girl#2 found out that girl#1 got financially rewarded somehow from her allegations and is a gold digger....

Rapists are what they are, and with his availability to potential box, I would imagine many more of these allegations would be out there if it were true. I truely believe that Ben is a victim and not the offender.

Agree 100%. He probably is a victim here. But he needs to make sure he doesn't put himself in a situation where he could be a victim. I know it is hard. He was a pro athlete in a college town. I am not famous, or rich, and I find myself presented with similar temptations in college. I can't imagine what it is like for him.
For those of you that think he is overrated as a player I give you...

EXHIBIT A
NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year (2004)
2007 Probowl Selection
2-time Super Bowl Champion
Career average QB rating (6 seasons): 91.7
Victories which Roethlisberger rallied the team from a fourth-quarter/OT deficit or tie: 17
Led his team to the AFC Championship game 3 times in 6 years.
Career Playoff Record: 8-2

...and he's only 28 years old!

Now regarding questions surrounding his character or his ability to make sound personal decisions, let's look at the situations he's been in...

EXHIBIT B
A) In 2006 he got in a motorcycle accident in which he wasn't wearing a helmet. He was later cited for failure to wear a helmet and failure to operate in his license class (he had an expired permit at the time). He wasn't drunk, he wasn't speeding, he wasn't driving recklessly - in fact the accident was caused by a motorist that cut in front of him so he wasn't even at-fault.
Aside from the questionable decision to not wear a helmet or renew his license in a timely manner, this sounds like a pretty ordinary, every-day occurance.

B) In 2009 an executive casino host at Harrah's Lake Tahoe accused Roethlisberger of assaulting her and forcing her to have sex with him. She also filed charges against the hotel for trying to cover up the incident.
After the investigation was completed, here are the facts that came out of it:
1. In a sworn statement a co-worker stated that the accuser bragged about having consensual sex with Roethlisberger.
2. Hospital records showed no physical signs of struggle or forced intercourse.
So basically there is no evidence to show that he did anything wrong at all.

Now that being said, this most recent accusation is a bit sketchier since there is some physical evidence involved but not enough to show that an assault had occured. Based on numerous descriptions of the events that occurred at the night club in March, it seems pretty clear that something shady happened but it's all speculative at this point.

Look the bottom line is that this guy has personal problems that the league needs to intervene and help him deal with - through some form of punishment but also through some form of direct education.
Does this mean he sucks as a player? Absolutely not - he's a phenomenal QB with credentials that few active QBs can even come close to.
If we decided to pursue him it would, no doubt, be a major upgrade at a position that's a huge question mark for us now. If the organization felt like they had a handle on his personal situation and took the right steps to mitigate any possible backlash that might come from it, then my answer is hell yes. Let's get this guy.
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[ Edited by scopur49er on Apr 15, 2010 at 1:11 PM ]
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