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Coby Fleener - TE Stanford

Originally posted by monsterzero789:
6'6" and runs a 4.5? Yes please. In Harbaughs TE heavy offense this isnt a bad idea in the first. Especially with how deep this WR class is. Fleener in the first and a WR in the second would be pretty BAWSE

Or if they don't think he's worth at 1st pick then trade out, get another 2nd round pick plus extra and draft him early second plus another WR in the second as well, either way we need our first two picks on offensive weapons.
[ Edited by Slash49 on Jan 27, 2012 at 6:05 PM ]
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Originally posted by Slash49:
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
6'6" and runs a 4.5? Yes please. In Harbaughs TE heavy offense this isnt a bad idea in the first. Especially with how deep this WR class is. Fleener in the first and a WR in the second would be pretty BAWSE

Or if they don't think he's worth at 1st pick then trade out, get another 2nd round pick plus extra and draft him early second plus another WR in the second as well, either way we need our first two picks on offensive weapons.
Teams rarely ever do that, just like people wanted us to trade back instead of drafting aldon where he was(yes people did call him a reach). Get who you're targeting where you can because someone else will get him at the top of the 2nd if you don't get him at the bottom of the 1st. NYG are one of the likely teams to take him at the bottom of the 1st if we don't.

They'll always rather take a guy 5 spots ahead of where he's expected to go than risk losing him with some far fetched trade-back scheme. You lose more from missing your guy than you gain from trading back.
[ Edited by mike on Jan 27, 2012 at 6:12 PM ]
Originally posted by mike:
Teams rarely ever do that, just like people wanted us to trade back instead of drafting aldon where he was(yes people did call him a reach). Get who you're targeting where you can because someone else will get him at the top of the 2nd if you don't get him at the bottom of the 1st. NYG are one of the likely teams to take him at the bottom of the 1st if we don't.

They'll always rather take a guy 5 spots ahead of where he's expected to go than risk losing him with some far fetched trade-back scheme. You lose more from missing your guy than you gain from trading back.

This, screw playing around with the trading back thing, absolutely no guarantee that the Giants wouldn't jump all over Fleener when their pick came up. f**k it, New England might grab him and just eliminate their WR position to Welker by himself.
This team has quite a few needs, that much I acknowledge. They could use more help in the secondary, more depth along the offensive line, maybe another starting guard, help at receiver, more depth at defensive end and OLB but I can't think of many possibilities that could have as big of an impact to the team the way it is as adding a weapon such as Fleener. It would really slow down the blitz of teams like Arizona if they had to account for both VD and Fleener, it would limit teams options as to what they want to do defensively and having a guy that big in the end-zone, able to make catches, even throws above his head the way Fleener can, that would be tremendous and would instantly make this offense more dangerous without any other changes.


If they could add Fleener, a WR, more depth at CB, DE, OLB and C, I would be entirely satisfied by the draft.
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Originally posted by SF69ers:
I see him getting selected in the 2nd or 3rd at the latest. We have way more pressing needs.

I doubt hell go far in the 2nd round.
You never know.

If we could get him in the 3rd round this would be a steal.
As as pressing needs.. its our offense.
with less pressing being defensive depth. I like to see add depth to the secondary and Dline.

But we need a WR or two. If we can draft a badass tightend and we can have to TE studs like NE... we will be good.
Originally posted by Garcia:
I doubt hell go far in the 2nd round.
You never know.

If we could get him in the 3rd round this would be a steal.
As as pressing needs.. its our offense.
with less pressing being defensive depth. I like to see add depth to the secondary and Dline.

But we need a WR or two. If we can draft a badass tightend and we can have to TE studs like NE... we will be good.

If he runs a 4.5 anything, he's pretty much a late 1st round/late 2nd round lock.
Who said that Fleener runs a 4.5???

The alternative to backup-LBs who are strong enough to beat a TE are Safeties and CBs...CBs cant handle big TEs at all. Just spend a look at Taylor Mays-type Safeties/LBs in college.
[ Edited by communist on Jan 27, 2012 at 7:10 PM ]
Originally posted by communist:
Who said that Fleener runs a 4.5???

The alternative to backup-LBs who are strong enough to beat a TE are Safeties and CBs...CBs cant handle big TEs at all. Just spend a look at Taylor Mays-type Safeties/LBs in college.

He's listed as 4.7 but its been reported that he typically runs as low as 4.5 in the 40.
IF he runs a 4.5, we will have to draft him b/c then he is in the tall-not too slow-WR-class.
Originally posted by communist:
IF he runs a 4.5, we will have to draft him b/c then he is in the tall-not too slow-WR-class.

Well that's one of the big bonuses, he played WR at times at Stanford, drafting him allows for incredible versatility. For example, put Crabtree, Morgan and Fleener at WR, VD at TE and then have Delanie Walker sub in at halfback.......that's just one of the many possibilities that will make it tough for defenses to keep up.
Originally posted by communist:
IF he runs a 4.5, we will have to draft him b/c then he is in the tall-not too slow-WR-class.

A 4.5 will put this guy with all his tape in the top 20. Hes just too damn good, intelligent and fast for a big man to fall past 20 imo. Only way we pass him up if theres a stud pass rusher or CB.
Fleener is expected to run in the mid 4.7 range. If he clocks a 4.5 I will be the first to jump on the "Fleener in the first" bandwagon.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Fleener is expected to run in the mid 4.7 range. If he clocks a 4.5 I will be the first to jump on the "Fleener in the first" bandwagon.

No way he falls to #30 if he runs a 4.5. Too many TE needy teams who want the next Vernon Davis, Gronkowski, Graham, etc.
Originally posted by okdkid:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Fleener is expected to run in the mid 4.7 range. If he clocks a 4.5 I will be the first to jump on the "Fleener in the first" bandwagon.

No way he falls to #30 if he runs a 4.5. Too many TE needy teams who want the next Vernon Davis, Gronkowski, Graham, etc.

Personally, I don't think folks have to worry. I do not think Fleener will run in the 4.5's -- maybe 4.64-4.67 at the combine. Either way, we do not have to force ANY issue during this draft. Although we could trade up if there's a player we really want (such as Floyd or Wright, but I think both are Top-20 locks right now).

Right now, I am actually an advocate of considering Orson Charles, TE of Georgia in the 2nd as a type of Aaron Hernandez guy we could use in our offense in addition to Vernon and Delanie. Hernandez measured in at 6-3 245 4.64 at the combine. Charles is 6-3 242 and runs an estimated 4.64. We'll see what happens at the combine but he could very well match those Hernandez measurables.

Either way, whether it's 1 TE and 1 WR or 2 WR, I want us to get TWO receiving weapons added this off-season. We have to see that this is something we must do after having EVERY receiver go down at some point with injuries this year. (Crabtree - foot, Morgan - leg, Ginn - knee/ankle, Williams - hamstring/head, Braylon - knee/shoulder, Delanie - jaw, Byham - knee, Bogan - knee) ... As much as we need another dominant starter at WR, we BADLY need INSURANCE for these starters too.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Right now, I am actually an advocate of considering Orson Charles, TE of Georgia in the 2nd as a type of Aaron Hernandez guy we could use in our offense in addition to Vernon and Delanie. Hernandez measured in at 6-3 245 4.64 at the combine. Charles is 6-3 242 and runs an estimated 4.64. We'll see what happens at the combine but he could very well match those Hernandez measurables.
You are Wes Bunting, aren't you? He lists Charles as #1 TE