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The Arizona game cost the niners an A+ draft

Originally posted by 9erred:
Like I said, the Colts tanked the season. It was the right thing to do for the long term winning of the franchise. They are getting the opportunity to draft a franchise qb. The Colts get their qb. This is just an example of how it can work out sometimes. The redskins in my opinion payed too much for the opportunity to draft a franchise qb. .

No they didn't. The Rams nearly had the number one pick at the end of the season because the Colts won 2 of their last 3 games. Colts only got the pick because of SOS.
[ Edited by SFrush on Apr 9, 2012 at 10:59 PM ]
Originally posted by 9erred:
Originally posted by okdkid:
Originally posted by 9erred:
Originally posted by miked1978:
this thread makes me laugh. OP do you think we still should have tanked?

I think Baalke and Company hit the draft out of the ball park. However Patrick Peterson was exceptional as a cb and return man for AZ, the Niners are fortunate that the pick of Aldon Smith that everyone groaned over worked out.

I still think tanking a season after play off contention is sometimes wise. Look at the Colts, they will get Luck or RG III because they started Curtis Painter. The Redskins had pride, and now have given up 3 1st round picks and a second to move up to draft a qb.

Whaaaaa??!!

You must be naive if you do not think that the Colts did not tank the season.

Wouldnt that mean youd be naive to think the Colts tanked the season? Double negative and all...

I dont think they had to tank the season. Thats how bad that team is without an elite QB. The only thing they could have done to not be that bad was to have another QB such as Manning playing for them. Id say they have the least talent in the NFL.
Originally posted by 9erred:
I think Baalke and Company hit the draft out of the ball park. However Patrick Peterson was exceptional as a cb and return man for AZ, the Niners are fortunate that the pick of Aldon Smith that everyone groaned over worked out.

I still think tanking a season after play off contention is sometimes wise. Look at the Colts, they will get Luck or RG III because they started Curtis Painter. The Redskins had pride, and now have given up 3 1st round picks and a second to move up to draft a qb.

Who is closer to winning, the Colts or the Redskins? The Colts suck and they didn't tank the season. They put all their eggs in one basket (Peyton Manning) and once he got hurt the team got exposed. Everyone knew the Colts would suck if Peyton got injured just like the Saints would suck if Brees got injured. You don't ask your vets to lose just so you can draft a guy.
Originally posted by SFrush:
Originally posted by 9erred:
Like I said, the Colts tanked the season. It was the right thing to do for the long term winning of the franchise. They are getting the opportunity to draft a franchise qb. The Colts get their qb. This is just an example of how it can work out sometimes. The redskins in my opinion payed too much for the opportunity to draft a franchise qb. .

No they didn't. The Rams nearly had the number one pick at the end of the season because the Colts won 2 of their last 3 games. Colts only got the pick because of SOS.

Thank you once again for making my case. Even if the Colts got the #2 pick they still would have been in line to draft one of the two tier one qb's. Without having to mortgage their future like the Redskins. If you watch NFL network they spoke of the qb sweepstakes for the teams with the losing records this year.
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Originally posted by 9erred:
Originally posted by SFrush:
Originally posted by 9erred:
Like I said, the Colts tanked the season. It was the right thing to do for the long term winning of the franchise. They are getting the opportunity to draft a franchise qb. The Colts get their qb. This is just an example of how it can work out sometimes. The redskins in my opinion payed too much for the opportunity to draft a franchise qb. .

No they didn't. The Rams nearly had the number one pick at the end of the season because the Colts won 2 of their last 3 games. Colts only got the pick because of SOS.

Thank you once again for making my case. Even if the Colts got the #2 pick they still would have been in line to draft one of the two tier one qb's. Without having to mortgage their future like the Redskins. If you watch NFL network they spoke of the qb sweepstakes for the teams with the losing records this year.

The Redskins didn't mortgage their future as much as you think, they have a top 10 defense now and even though they grossly overpaid for Garcon and to a degree Morgan they now have a great group of WRs to grow around Griffin with Garcon, Morgan, Hankerson, and Santana Moss, and a top 5-10 PR/KR in Brandon Banks. With depth like Aldrick Robinson, Niles Paul, Jabar Gaffney, Anthony Armstrong. A solid if not top 15 RB backfield and a TE tandem that is top 5. They were literally missing nothing else but a QB, if they can protect Griffin with some quality OL picks they will be challenging the Giants in the NFC East.
Originally posted by 9erred:
Originally posted by okdkid:
Originally posted by 9erred:
Originally posted by miked1978:
this thread makes me laugh. OP do you think we still should have tanked?

I think Baalke and Company hit the draft out of the ball park. However Patrick Peterson was exceptional as a cb and return man for AZ, the Niners are fortunate that the pick of Aldon Smith that everyone groaned over worked out.

I still think tanking a season after play off contention is sometimes wise. Look at the Colts, they will get Luck or RG III because they started Curtis Painter. The Redskins had pride, and now have given up 3 1st round picks and a second to move up to draft a qb.

Whaaaaa??!!

You must be naive if you do not think that the Colts did not tank the season.

Well that simply just didn't happen. But that wasn't what I was referring to.

Saying Patrick Peterson was "exceptional" at CB is just insane. He was a straight up liability. Maybe one year he will be a great CB. 2011 wasn't it.
Originally posted by okdkid:
Originally posted by 9erred:
Originally posted by okdkid:
Originally posted by 9erred:
Originally posted by miked1978:
this thread makes me laugh. OP do you think we still should have tanked?

I think Baalke and Company hit the draft out of the ball park. However Patrick Peterson was exceptional as a cb and return man for AZ, the Niners are fortunate that the pick of Aldon Smith that everyone groaned over worked out.

I still think tanking a season after play off contention is sometimes wise. Look at the Colts, they will get Luck or RG III because they started Curtis Painter. The Redskins had pride, and now have given up 3 1st round picks and a second to move up to draft a qb.

Whaaaaa??!!

You must be naive if you do not think that the Colts did not tank the season.

Well that simply just didn't happen. But that wasn't what I was referring to.

Saying Patrick Peterson was "exceptional" at CB is just insane. He was a straight up liability. Maybe one year he will be a great CB. 2011 wasn't it.
this, he is a helluva punt returner though
Originally posted by 9erred:
Thank you once again for making my case. Even if the Colts got the #2 pick they still would have been in line to draft one of the two tier one qb's. Without having to mortgage their future like the Redskins. If you watch NFL network they spoke of the qb sweepstakes for the teams with the losing records this year.

Your case has been basically proven false as far as I can tell. No one in their right mind would trade Aldon Smith straight up for Patrick Peterson now. So the Arizona grade did not cost our draft at all.

Case closed.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 9erred:
Thank you once again for making my case. Even if the Colts got the #2 pick they still would have been in line to draft one of the two tier one qb's. Without having to mortgage their future like the Redskins. If you watch NFL network they spoke of the qb sweepstakes for the teams with the losing records this year.

Your case has been basically proven false as far as I can tell. No one in their right mind would trade Aldon Smith straight up for Patrick Peterson now. So the Arizona grade did not cost our draft at all.

Case closed.

Still confused the argument that the colts tanked the season... Does anyone really think players give a flying f*ck about where the team is gonna draft? They dont, they care about that next contract. Garcon didnt tank anything and got paid. Painter was trying to prove he was a starter to get that next contract but couldnt and will be lucky to get a roster spot next year on any team. Orlovsky played himself into another contract as a backup. It was a team that leveraged all their talent around one player and paid for it. A defense built for rushing the passer and got exposed. With an offense predicated on the QB being the offensive coordinator and got exposed for having no backup plan. Lineman drafted for pass protection now had to focus on trying to run the ball more often. Players dont care about the draft, if anything they hate it because it could mean their eventual replacement. The locker room attitude may not have been great, but tanking anything is basically volunteering to be unemployed.
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Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 9erred:
Thank you once again for making my case. Even if the Colts got the #2 pick they still would have been in line to draft one of the two tier one qb's. Without having to mortgage their future like the Redskins. If you watch NFL network they spoke of the qb sweepstakes for the teams with the losing records this year.

Your case has been basically proven false as far as I can tell. No one in their right mind would trade Aldon Smith straight up for Patrick Peterson now. So the Arizona grade did not cost our draft at all.

Case closed.

Still confused the argument that the colts tanked the season... Does anyone really think players give a flying f*ck about where the team is gonna draft? They dont, they care about that next contract. Garcon didnt tank anything and got paid. Painter was trying to prove he was a starter to get that next contract but couldnt and will be lucky to get a roster spot next year on any team. Orlovsky played himself into another contract as a backup. It was a team that leveraged all their talent around one player and paid for it. A defense built for rushing the passer and got exposed. With an offense predicated on the QB being the offensive coordinator and got exposed for having no backup plan. Lineman drafted for pass protection now had to focus on trying to run the ball more often. Players dont care about the draft, if anything they hate it because it could mean their eventual replacement. The locker room attitude may not have been great, but tanking anything is basically volunteering to be unemployed.

This, no nfl player would do it in their right mind, its just the same as the "bounty" programs going on, I buy the idea that someone might be offering cash for you to lay a guy out but once you start playing you are just trying to make a play, if you start thinking about tanking/going out of your way to hit someone or do something un-necessary your play will suffer and so will your bank account, job security.
Originally posted by sfout:
This, no nfl player would do it in their right mind, its just the same as the "bounty" programs going on, I buy the idea that someone might be offering cash for you to lay a guy out but once you start playing you are just trying to make a play, if you start thinking about tanking/going out of your way to hit someone or do something un-necessary your play will suffer and so will your bank account, job security.

Exactly, to a point the GM is really the only one who could have tried to tank it by placing certain players on IR or not looking as hard as he should of for FA talent to bring in... but even he would still be putting his career and reputation on the line. Coaches are still competing for better positions on other staffs, and players want that next contract. Hypothetically lets say the Colts OC pulled a rabbit out of his butt and was able to make that offense competitive, he would be in the same position as the broncos OC with Tebow and interviewing for head coaching jobs and a pay raise. Same goes for the DC if he was able to stop that defense from giving it up more than a $5 whore.
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Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by sfout:
This, no nfl player would do it in their right mind, its just the same as the "bounty" programs going on, I buy the idea that someone might be offering cash for you to lay a guy out but once you start playing you are just trying to make a play, if you start thinking about tanking/going out of your way to hit someone or do something un-necessary your play will suffer and so will your bank account, job security.

Exactly, to a point the GM is really the only one who could have tried to tank it by placing certain players on IR or not looking as hard as he should of for FA talent to bring in... but even he would still be putting his career and reputation on the line. Coaches are still competing for better positions on other staffs, and players want that next contract. Hypothetically lets say the Colts OC pulled a rabbit out of his butt and was able to make that offense competitive, he would be in the same position as the broncos OC with Tebow and interviewing for head coaching jobs and a pay raise. Same goes for the DC if he was able to stop that defense from giving it up more than a $5 whore.

Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
i was mad when we didn't get prince. before the draft, yeah i was on the peterson bandwagon. thought our worst part of the d was was the secondary (never thought spencer was good at all). then i realized that the problem was that the 9er D were giving the qbs too much time to throw. I am so glad that they did get Aldon instead. the draft we had was almost all slam dunks. smith, kap (jury is still out), cully, hunter, kilgore(dont know but has promise) johnson (miss) and miller. who knowa where we would be if we tanked that game.
5280 and sfout have shut this thread down, Just eat that crow and move on homie.