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IMO, with the way the game is played today, you can get away with having less-than-great talent at CB, if you have a great pass rush (see the Steelers, Packers and Ravens). However, you can have HOF talent at CB, but if you can't generate a strong, consistent pass rush, those CBs will eventually get burned.
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Wait a second, the Packers have below average talent in the secondary? Seriously. Woodson is older but he's still a badass and Williams had one of the best seasons of any CB. Not to mention their safeties are pretty good. Same thing with the Steelers, McFadden and Taylor are pretty good and then Polamolu and Clark are 2 of the best safeties in the NFL.
I was referring to CBs, and yes Woodson is a great player, but he's not the same guy he was even a year ago. Yes, Tramon Williams is having a great season, but he was an udrafted free agent, which means the Pack didn't have to spend ANY draft pick on him, much less a top pick...same goes with Sam Shields.
I agree, McFadden and Taylor are pretty good CBs, but again, neither are considered great (which was my point). And the Ravens pieced together a collection of CBs who were castoffs (Chris Carr, Josh Wilson and Fabian Washington)...all pretty decent defenders with speed and ball skills (a recurring theme), but made to look much better because of what's going on in front of them.
You still have to have talent at the cornerback spot, no doubt about it. My point was, it doesn't have to be GREAT talent, if you have pass rushers (and great schemes) like those teams do.
Yeah but Baltimore didn't have a great pass rush this year, they only had 27 sacks. The main thing they had going for them on D was an amazing defensive line and amazing run defense and Ed Reed roaming around in the secondary.
They didn't have a big sack total this year, but if you watch their games, they put a lot of heat on the QB...that's almost as good as a sack in terms of how it positively impacts the play of your CBs.
That's true. To be honest with you though man, I don't think it really matters whether you have a strong secondary or linebacking corp or whatever. The bottom line is you need multiple playmakers at each spot(DL, LB, DB) and a good DC/scheme to attack an offense with. I mean, I can't imagine that a duo of Peterson/Willis would not make a great tandem for the next 10 years. Same with Willis/Miller or Willis/Quinn or even maybe Willis/Amukamara. But I would personally love to add Dareus or Jordan, since we'd possibly have the best DL in the league after that. If you look at the Jets, they had a really good secondary with Cromartie and Wilson and Revis. If you look at the Ravens, their main strength was the DL with Ngata/Gregg/Redding/Cody. Yeah Lewis/Reed/Suggs are really good as well, but IMO their strength was their DL and it had a lot to do with them being able to shut down the run. GB also had a real strong DL. So you just need good players period IMO.
QB is our biggest need probably, so if Gabbert is there you kind of have to take him unless Harbaugh really doesn't want him. But he probably won't be there IMO, so then it comes down to the defensive players. I'd be happy with 1 of Peterson/Miller/Quinn/Jordan/Dareus/Prince. You just have to see who looks like the best prospect that'll be available to us after the combine.