Originally posted by joey82:
Originally posted by calbear:
Originally posted by joey82:
No that would be awful.
Getting one would be ok although I don't think we necessarily need to take a DB in the first.
If you can't block it doesn't matter how scary your secondary is.
Awful? Are you kidding me? Do you realize that we dont have enough quality DBs to run a dime package right now? Our secondary is not the same as last season. We have lost players to FA and injury.
We certainly need OL help. Specifically RT and another OG, positions that should be addressed early. But Haden and Thomas are waaaay too good at positions of serious need to pass up. RT can be found in Rd2 or via a trade, if the 3 tackles are gone. I would pass on Anthony Davis for these two guys. This isnt awful, this would give us the premier secondary in the league with an already very good defense.
That is assuming that both Haden and Thomas are great players, it is pretty hard for a rookie DB to come in and make a significant impact. It is more uncommon than common.
Our pass rush isn't very good it needs to be addressed. Our OL isn't very good it needs to be addressed. Our Secondary isn't great but it isn't our biggest weakness either. We are already going to take at least one DB/KR/PR so if we did take Haden and Thomas you are looking at 3 of our first 5 picks on the secondary which is ridiculous.
Take one DB in the first if there is value but to ignore both DE/OLB and OL in the first is a big mistake. The only outcome that would make me happy with no OL or OLB/DE in the first is a trade for another first round pick next year or Spiller + a DB.
I would be shocked if we double up at any position with both of our firsts with the exception of OL.
You're hung up on something which is our biggest need which is RT. What you're failing to realize though is this team has holes in other places and both of these players upgrade our team by adding very good prospects.
Joe Haden is by far the best corner in this draft despite what some people hung up on his 40 time are saying. He's proven it for 3 years at a big time school and his play speaks more volume than a workout in shorts.
Earl Thomas has also played for a big school and is only the #2 safety in this class because of Eric Berry. The guy would make a fantastic FS allowing us to move Dashon Goldson over to SS a position which is a better fit for him.
Now nobody is saying that these guys will come out and look like Deion Sanders and Ed Reed out there right off the bat but they will certainly help the team.
Nate Clements is a question mark. Hell he was benched in his last game before hurting himself. I still think he's a good corner but he's a question mark beyond next season. Why not get his backup in place right now so when he leaves we don't have to do a panic move like we seem to be doing with RT.
I agree our pass rush isn't great. I would be just as happy seeing us draft Brandon Graham or Jerry Hughes(actually more so) but the fact is both Haden and Thomas are really good players who could start sooner rather than later at positions that help the team in the long run. We could look at OLB/DE later in the draft same way we can look for a RT.
I want us to spend our first 2 picks on RT and OLB/DE but if the value isn't there I don't want us walking away with Bruce Campbell at 13 just because we neet an OT. or Charles Brown at #17.
Personally I doubt either player will be available at the respective picks so its a moot point.
Oh and to address our PR/KR position who said it has to be a DB? Why not a Jacoby Ford, Dexter McCluster, Mardy Gilyard, Leroy Vann or other WR/RB/KR/PR types?