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Lebron vs. His Airness

Originally posted by AmpLee:
Anyone who watched the game instead of typing up numbers into a statistics engine knows that Kobe made life so much easier on his teammates with all the attention he drew. This whole pointing to stats is void of context. Kobe's teams won championships because teams gameplanned and threw so many resources to stop him that anyone he played with got easy and ample opportunities. The evidence is in the numbers of the guys who clearly had their best seasons playing around Bryant. It's not a coincidence. And the reason you don't see that evidence show up in the statistics for Kobe (ie high assist totals) is because the majority of his passes went to guys who were in position to get an assist (ie the hockey assist). Kobe was most selfish when he padded his assist totals during times that people complained that he shot too much as he became more ball dominant and played outside of the offense in order to get those numbers. Not saying that Kobe couldn't have been a bit less selfish, but his selfishness is what allowed other guys to play so well. Of course, there's no statistic for that.

Do you mean Gasol? Gasol just had one of the best seasons of his career statistically playing on the Bulls even though he's well past his prime. He spent his prime on the Lakers (27 to 33 - big men tend to develop a little later). Shaq was dominant before coming to LA and spent his entire prime in Los Angeles.

Some of Kobe's other teammates haven't done well adjusting to playing with Kobe (Lin, Artest, Howard). Rick Fox's numbers were almost identical on the Celtics and Lakers.

Odom and Bynum may have benefited, but it's hard to tell because Odom spent his entire prime in LA after coming off a good season in Miami and Bynum was devastated by injuries after he left. There's definitely not the strong evidence you seem to think exists that Kobe makes his teammates better.

Kobe's definitely not the first person that comes into my mind when I think of players who make their teammates better. I love shooters who command attention from defenses, but Kobe was so ball dominant at times in his career that his teammates weren't always engaged on offense which transferred over to defense in some cases. Part of the greatness of Lebron is that he keeps his teammates engaged and is able to carry bad teams to the playoffs (and Finals). Kobe wins when he has great teammates (had some of the best frontcourts in the league most of his career with Shaq and then Bynum/Gasol/Odom and a great defender in Artest).
Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Anyone who watched the game instead of typing up numbers into a statistics engine knows that Kobe made life so much easier on his teammates with all the attention he drew. This whole pointing to stats is void of context. Kobe's teams won championships because teams gameplanned and threw so many resources to stop him that anyone he played with got easy and ample opportunities. The evidence is in the numbers of the guys who clearly had their best seasons playing around Bryant. It's not a coincidence. And the reason you don't see that evidence show up in the statistics for Kobe (ie high assist totals) is because the majority of his passes went to guys who were in position to get an assist (ie the hockey assist). Kobe was most selfish when he padded his assist totals during times that people complained that he shot too much as he became more ball dominant and played outside of the offense in order to get those numbers. Not saying that Kobe couldn't have been a bit less selfish, but his selfishness is what allowed other guys to play so well. Of course, there's no statistic for that.

Do you mean Gasol? Gasol just had one of the best seasons of his career statistically playing on the Bulls even though he's well past his prime. He spent his prime on the Lakers (27 to 33 - big men tend to develop a little later). Shaq was dominant before coming to LA and spent his entire prime in Los Angeles.

Some of Kobe's other teammates haven't done well adjusting to playing with Kobe (Lin, Artest, Howard). Rick Fox's numbers were almost identical on the Celtics and Lakers.

Odom and Bynum may have benefited, but it's hard to tell because Odom spent his entire prime in LA after coming off a good season in Miami and Bynum was devastated by injuries after he left. There's definitely not the strong evidence you seem to think exists that Kobe makes his teammates better.

Kobe's definitely not the first person that comes into my mind when I think of players who make their teammates better. I love shooters who command attention from defenses, but Kobe was so ball dominant at times in his career that his teammates weren't always engaged on offense which transferred over to defense in some cases. Part of the greatness of Lebron is that he keeps his teammates engaged and is able to carry bad teams to the playoffs (and Finals). Kobe wins when he has great teammates (had some of the best frontcourts in the league most of his career with Shaq and then Bynum/Gasol/Odom and a great defender in Artest).

2 Lebrons >>>>>>>>>>>>>€€€ 2 Kobes
Lebron is the reason Kobe stays hurt
Lebron can guard Kobe but Kobe probably can't guard Lebron. On the other hand, Kobe wins in a fight which is why he was also able to force the hand better than Lebron.

That's about it.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Lebron can guard Kobe but Kobe probably can't guard Lebron. On the other hand, Kobe wins in a fight which is why he was also able to force the hand better than Lebron.

That's about it.

Kobe got his ass whooped by Chris Childs

[ Edited by blizzuntz on May 29, 2015 at 7:55 PM ]
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Lebron can guard Kobe but Kobe probably can't guard Lebron. On the other hand, Kobe wins in a fight which is why he was also able to force the hand better than Lebron.

That's about it.

Kobe got his ass whooped by Chris Childs


One punch to the face that he shook off is an ass whoopin? Lol
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Lebron can guard Kobe but Kobe probably can't guard Lebron. On the other hand, Kobe wins in a fight which is why he was also able to force the hand better than Lebron.

That's about it.

Kobe got his ass whooped by Chris Childs


One punch to the face that he shook off is an ass whoopin? Lol

Looked like he was tearing up after, took it out on the innocent tunnel . No wonder everyone called him soft back then

Edit : kobe ate that combo like a 2 piece at church's chicken
[ Edited by blizzuntz on May 29, 2015 at 8:48 PM ]
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Lebron can guard Kobe but Kobe probably can't guard Lebron. On the other hand, Kobe wins in a fight which is why he was also able to force the hand better than Lebron.

That's about it.

Kobe got his ass whooped by Chris Childs


One punch to the face that he shook off is an ass whoopin? Lol

Looked like he was tearing up after, took it out on the innocent tunnel . No wonder everyone called him soft back then

Edit : kobe ate that combo like a 2 piece at church's chicken

I can see your feelings were very hurt by Kobe's dominance at such a young age. lol
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Lebron can guard Kobe but Kobe probably can't guard Lebron. On the other hand, Kobe wins in a fight which is why he was also able to force the hand better than Lebron.

That's about it.

Kobe got his ass whooped by Chris Childs


One punch to the face that he shook off is an ass whoopin? Lol

Looked like he was tearing up after, took it out on the innocent tunnel . No wonder everyone called him soft back then

Edit : kobe ate that combo like a 2 piece at church's chicken

I can see your feelings were very hurt by Kobe's dominance at such a young age. lol

Kobe is my favorite snitch in the NBA, probably the best snitch to ever play.

Did Kobe go eat a biscuit after the 2 piece back in the locker room?
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Lebron can guard Kobe but Kobe probably can't guard Lebron. On the other hand, Kobe wins in a fight which is why he was also able to force the hand better than Lebron.

That's about it.

Kobe got his ass whooped by Chris Childs


One punch to the face that he shook off is an ass whoopin? Lol

Looked like he was tearing up after, took it out on the innocent tunnel . No wonder everyone called him soft back then

Edit : kobe ate that combo like a 2 piece at church's chicken

I can see your feelings were very hurt by Kobe's dominance at such a young age. lol

Kobe is my favorite snitch in the NBA, probably the best snitch to ever play.

Did Kobe go eat a biscuit after the 2 piece back in the locker room?

Man, you truly are hurt. I can sense your chin trembling in your posts. Did he stick it in your butt, too? No means no, bro. We're here for you.
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Lebron can guard Kobe but Kobe probably can't guard Lebron. On the other hand, Kobe wins in a fight which is why he was also able to force the hand better than Lebron.

That's about it.

Kobe got his ass whooped by Chris Childs


One punch to the face that he shook off is an ass whoopin? Lol

Looked like he was tearing up after, took it out on the innocent tunnel . No wonder everyone called him soft back then

Edit : kobe ate that combo like a 2 piece at church's chicken

I can see your feelings were very hurt by Kobe's dominance at such a young age. lol

Kobe is my favorite snitch in the NBA, probably the best snitch to ever play.

Did Kobe go eat a biscuit after the 2 piece back in the locker room?

Man, you truly are hurt. I can sense your chin trembling in your posts. Did he stick it in your butt, too? No means no, bro. We're here for you.

I'm no dentist, but looks like Kobes chin unhinged (Tremble) a little there.

I don't know why the original poster he'd take Kobe in a fight, didn't Kobe also get choked out by Reggie?

Lol choked out by a dude with a belly button tatoo
Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Please tell me you're not insinuating that Kobe wasn't the best player on his team in both '09 and '10.

He was the best player on his team in '09 and Gasol was a close second. Gasol and Kobe were pretty even in '10 - the statistics say Gasol was much better in both the regular season and the playoffs, but I think it's a wash because Kobe does command attention from defenses. Kobe hasn't put any effort in on defense which doesn't show up in win shares either.



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Originally posted by 4ML:
But he didn't win 8 in a row and he did come back and lost in the 2nd round (something ppl forget to mention) and then had a 3 peat.

If Lebron left the game for couple years when he was 30 - ppl would be calling him soft and weak.

The experts on TV said Lebron should be disqualified from MVP race this year because he took 2 weeks off.

If Jordan played in this 24-7 hour TV and social media - ppl would be disqualifying him from the topic of greatest ever for taking couple years off.

And game was diluted in the 90s. It was the expansion era. Too many players who shouldn't be playing in the NBA were on the rosters and playing on a daily basis.

We know what MJ did and we know he came back in baseball shape in 95. We know he quit at the pinnacle and we know his daddy got murdered. Nobody in their right mind was calling MJ soft. He was an a$$hole and an a$$a$in but soft he was not. Any real G knew that. Also I came up during the 80s and 90s. 90s b ball was the golden age of basketball. This little man game today full of boys ain't nothing like back then. Lebron playing boys but MJ was playing men then. Grown men that went to college and played as adults. Physical men that were brutes and were allowed to play ball like how I played it growing up on the block. Now you got pint sized foreigners taking the ball to the cup and whatnot little men jacking up threes creating and you can't touch em. This ain't the game MJ played. Little boys today wouldn't survive the gauntlet back then. Dudes was dunking on you shoving nuts in your face and throwing you to the ground pointing at you. The whole globe was frightened to even step on the court with us. You can rep ya man LBJ all day but don't try to take down MJ with it. That's puzzling me. I went through it and I've seen it up to now and I disapprove of the changes to the game to allow more scoring from the wings and a deemphasis of the big man game and the integration of internationals in the game but they say its what sells so I deal with it but I know 90s ball was the ish for me. Malice in the palace was where a lot of things changed to me
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Tim Duncan in his prime would smoke MJ, Lebron, and Kobe in their primes in a game of 1 on 1.

Please man. Hakeem would eat TD for breakfast in his prime. You seen the dream? He will be TDs nightmare
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