Lebron vs. His Airness

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by Jcool:
2009-2010:



Looks pretty even to me.

Yep. Due to PER, Pau Gasol was just as good as Kobe Bryant during the '09 and '10 championship runs. Jesus.

And Derek FIsher is at the bottom. What a POS player he was, right? We should've cut him after his rookie year.

sarcasm...fyi

Derek Fisher averaged 7.5 points on .380 shooting with 2.1 rebounds and 2.5 assists in 2009-2010. Not exactly All NBA numbers.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
All of this. If anyone doesn't believe, they should watch some old playoff games from the 80s and 90s.

Ironically, the scoring was higher in the 80s than it is now, even with the rules not being in place to help the offense. Simply put, the players were better.

LOL. No, they weren't. Not even close. The talent pool is exponentially deeper today than it was in the 80's and 90's. It's basic math. Times, heights, distances, etc have improved in every athletic endeavor, but people have gotten worse at basketball, despite enormous international growth and more money being invested into it than ever. Okay.

You say no and then you agree with him. If all it took to be good was being a good athlete players like Harold Miner and Derrick Williams would of averaged more then 9 ppg for their careers.

It's sarcasm. Blatantly obvious sarcasm.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by Jcool:
2009-2010:



Looks pretty even to me.

Yep. Due to PER, Pau Gasol was just as good as Kobe Bryant during the '09 and '10 championship runs. Jesus.

And Derek FIsher is at the bottom. What a POS player he was, right? We should've cut him after his rookie year.

sarcasm...fyi

Derek Fisher averaged 7.5 points on .380 shooting with 2.1 rebounds and 2.5 assists in 2009-2010. Not exactly All NBA numbers.

LOL! that's the f**king point. he's never put up all nba, or even all star numbers for that matter. a player's worth is measured more than just PER or PPG...what a joke...

guys like fisher, fox, horry, were big part of our runs.

and same went for MJs team with kerr, grant, and the role players.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Please tell me you're not insinuating that Kobe wasn't the best player on his team in both '09 and '10.

He was the best player on his team in '09 and Gasol was a close second. Gasol and Kobe were pretty even in '10 - the statistics say Gasol was much better in both the regular season and the playoffs, but I think it's a wash because Kobe does command attention from defenses. Kobe hasn't put any effort in on defense which doesn't show up in win shares either.

You people are insane.

2009-2010:



Looks pretty even to me.

Adam Morrison was a BEAST!!!

Ppl remember only the best things from 80s and 90s and think that was the norm. Typical "good ole days" syndrome and stop using common sense.

Players are better today and multi-skilled. 20 years from - players will be better from present as long as the game keeps growing and there's no question basketball has grown as a sport worldwide in the last 20 years.

IMO, the league has never had a player with better handles than Curry or Irving and we've got them both at the same time. IMO NBA has never had it this good.

Originally posted by 4ML:
Ppl remember only the best things from 80s and 90s and think that was the norm. Typical "good ole days" syndrome and stop using common sense.

Players are better today and multi-skilled. 20 years from - players will be better from present as long as the game keeps growing and there's no question basketball has grown as a sport worldwide in the last 20 years.

IMO, the league has never had a player with better handles than Curry or Irving and we've got them both at the same time. IMO NBA has never had it this good.

Goes both ways. Just as many people have no idea about NBA basketball from then and only think what his happening right now is the best. And you are probably one of those people since you say the league has never had better handlers then Curry or Irving.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Ppl remember only the best things from 80s and 90s and think that was the norm. Typical "good ole days" syndrome and stop using common sense.

Players are better today and multi-skilled. 20 years from - players will be better from present as long as the game keeps growing and there's no question basketball has grown as a sport worldwide in the last 20 years.

IMO, the league has never had a player with better handles than Curry or Irving and we've got them both at the same time. IMO NBA has never had it this good.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Ppl remember only the best things from 80s and 90s and think that was the norm. Typical "good ole days" syndrome and stop using common sense.

Players are better today and multi-skilled. 20 years from - players will be better from present as long as the game keeps growing and there's no question basketball has grown as a sport worldwide in the last 20 years.

IMO, the league has never had a player with better handles than Curry or Irving and we've got them both at the same time. IMO NBA has never had it this good.

MJ would still s**t on the NBA today.

Curry and Irving handle are nice but the NBA has had many nice dribblers. Tim Hardaway, Skip to my Lou, white chocolate, Isaiah Thomas, gotta throw in Shammgod (for his dribbling skills), Iverson, Crawford, even Kenny Anderson had super nice hands.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
All of this. If anyone doesn't believe, they should watch some old playoff games from the 80s and 90s.

Ironically, the scoring was higher in the 80s than it is now, even with the rules not being in place to help the offense. Simply put, the players were better.

LOL. No, they weren't. Not even close. The talent pool is exponentially deeper today than it was in the 80's and 90's. It's basic math. Times, heights, distances, etc have improved in every athletic endeavor, but people have gotten worse at basketball, despite enormous international growth and more money being invested into it than ever. Okay.

This. Players today are on average better than they were 20 years ago and it's not debatable. There's a much bigger talent pool of players because of all the money in the game now and the globalization of the sport.

And most of the reason that scoring was higher in the 80's and early 90's is the pace of the game was faster. In the early 1980's there were more than 100 possessions per game on average. The offensive rating (points per 100 possession) has barely changed since the early 1980's - it was at 107 per game back then and now it's at 106. Players today are bigger, stronger, more athletic, and more skilled than they were in MJ's era and there is way more attention paid to basketball analytics. Players know each other's preferences better than they used to and defensive rotations are better than they have been before.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Lebron can guard Kobe but Kobe probably can't guard Lebron. On the other hand, Kobe wins in a fight which is why he was also able to force the hand better than Lebron.

That's about it.

Kobe got his ass whooped by Chris Childs

One punch to the face that he shook off is an ass whoopin? Lol

Looked like he was tearing up after, took it out on the innocent tunnel . No wonder everyone called him soft back then

Edit : kobe ate that combo like a 2 piece at church's chicken

I can see your feelings were very hurt by Kobe's dominance at such a young age. lol

Kobe is my favorite snitch in the NBA, probably the best snitch to ever play.

Did Kobe go eat a biscuit after the 2 piece back in the locker room?

Man, you truly are hurt. I can sense your chin trembling in your posts. Did he stick it in your butt, too? No means no, bro. We're here for you.

I'm no dentist, but looks like Kobes chin unhinged (Tremble) a little there.

I don't know why the original poster he'd take Kobe in a fight, didn't Kobe also get choked out by Reggie?

Lol choked out by a dude with a belly button tatoo

Kobe as a teenager toughness <<<<<<<<< Kobe now or the last ten years.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Yep. Due to PER, Pau Gasol was just as good as Kobe Bryant during the '09 and '10 championship runs. Jesus.

2009-2010 regular season and playoff stats:


PER is the only advanced stat on basketball-reference that favors Kobe in the playoffs. Pau was ranked higher in win shares, win shares/48, box plus-minus, and value above replacement player. PER has a high weight on usage and as we all know, Kobe is a high usage player.

I don't believe anyone has said Pau Gasol was as good as Kobe during the '09 championship run so you're putting words in my mouth. I do think Pau Gasol played as well as Kobe in the 2009-2010 season and playoffs. I don't think Gasol gets as much credit as he should for those two rings, partly because Kobe already had 3 rings before he got there.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
All of this. If anyone doesn't believe, they should watch some old playoff games from the 80s and 90s.

Ironically, the scoring was higher in the 80s than it is now, even with the rules not being in place to help the offense. Simply put, the players were better.

Yup.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
This. Players today are on average better than they were 20 years ago and it's not debatable. There's a much bigger talent pool of players because of all the money in the game now and the globalization of the sport.

And most of the reason that scoring was higher in the 80's and early 90's is the pace of the game was faster. In the early 1980's there were more than 100 possessions per game on average. The offensive rating (points per 100 possession) has barely changed since the early 1980's - it was at 107 per game back then and now it's at 106. Players today are bigger, stronger, more athletic, and more skilled than they were in MJ's era and there is way more attention paid to basketball analytics. Players know each other's preferences better than they used to and defensive rotations are better than they have been before.

Man you ain't even got true centers today. This p***y ball out here now. You got a dude on here talking bout handles. You cant handle when you handchecked the length of the court. and international players? Those guys would be bench riders because they would get punked on the court with the Knicks Anthony Mason. They calling Chris Bosh a power forward center now. Cmon man. I like the nice guys of today. Good gentlemen but they were straight mercing dudes on the court under the old rules. No comparison to this soft ish today and I'm 38 so I ain't biased as I'm in the middle of the two demographics

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

This. Players today are on average better than they were 20 years ago and it's not debatable. There's a much bigger talent pool of players because of all the money in the game now and the globalization of the sport.

And most of the reason that scoring was higher in the 80's and early 90's is the pace of the game was faster. In the early 1980's there were more than 100 possessions per game on average. The offensive rating (points per 100 possession) has barely changed since the early 1980's - it was at 107 per game back then and now it's at 106. Players today are bigger, stronger, more athletic, and more skilled than they were in MJ's era and there is way more attention paid to basketball analytics. Players know each other's preferences better than they used to and defensive rotations are better than they have been before.

Man you ain't even got true centers today. This p***y ball out here now. You got a dude on here talking bout handles. You cant handle when you handchecked the length of the court. and international players? Those guys would be bench riders because they would get punked on the court with the Knicks Anthony Mason. They calling Chris Bosh a power forward center now. Cmon man. I like the nice guys of today. Good gentlemen but they were straight mercing dudes on the court under the old rules. No comparison to this soft ish today and I'm 38 so I ain't biased as I'm in the middle of the two demographics

Pretty much the same in all sports. Can't hit a guy in the NFL anymore. Can't take roids or greenies in baseball. Whole sports world has been transitioned into pansy leagues.

Originally posted by Jcool:
I think this is a pretty good breakdown:

as if we need a 7 minute video to tell us MJ > Kobe

Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Pretty much the same in all sports. Can't hit a guy in the NFL anymore. Can't take roids or greenies in baseball. Whole sports world has been transitioned into pansy leagues.

LOL! Some truth in there though