Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Trey Lance can't win the number one job outright. Let's be honest. His best case scenario with all guys healthy is for him to start week one as QB2.

He probably knows that. And knowing that, he also likely realizes the best thing he can do for the team and himself is to make himself the greatest threat possible to Purdy. And I don't mean that in a malicious sense, I mean that in terms of Trey chasing greatness, which in turn you'd expect to push Purdy to be even better too.

Lance has clearly been pushing himself hard to eliminate any deficiencies while also further honing his strengths. He's been doing all the right things, and as far as we can tell so far, it seems to really be paying off.

Like everyone else here, no one knows what's gonna happen this season. There are a number of scenarios where Lance could find himself with an opportunity to earn the team's consideration as QB1.

At the end of the day, I want a Niners Super Bowl win. We're gonna need Brock to ball out. If he doesn't, and has to get swapped out, we're gonna need Trey to ball out.

I don't care WHO does it, as long as we get this done!

I agree, barring something extreme - I don't see him unseating Purdy in camp.

i think it's very clear that lance has significantly improved a lot of areas in his game, which is a huge positive. He needs to keep pushing Brock and help make each other as good as possible. But I do think the job is Brock's to lose.

I'd like to hear kyle/Griese say that Lance is executing the offense really well and correctly, that's really the biggest unknown with Lance right now. Just cause he's completing passes or scoring here and there - doesn't mean he's actually executing the offense the way kyle wants it done.

I always think about Brock's TD pass to kittle in the raiders game, it was an awesome off script play and everyone was cheering saying how awesome it was, but Kyle wasn't happy because it was poor execution of his offense.

id like to hear kyle/Griese say Lance is playing great and all that, essentially similar praise he gives Purdy in regards to his he executes the plays. Instead of "he looks much better." "He's playing better than he has in the past", because that doesn't mean that they're happy with him and his execution of the offense. Just means Lance looks better throwing the ball and all that.

im not saying Lance isn't executing the offense well, or that he can't, I'd just like to hear the coaches say that. I think that will be a true indication of how good of a camp he's having and putting pressure on Brock. Unless I've missed it, that always seems to be missing from their comments on him. Which it's possible I've missed it, maybe they have.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Were you arguing against yourself??

Please don't speak for most fans. You have zero evidence to back this up.

I have plenty of evidence to show you that MOST FANS don't even post on messageboards to begin with....lol.

I can prove it if you need me to? Let's start there.

And "most fans" don't really care who the hell the QB is once kick-off comes around. They just want damn good QB play. 7th round, undrafted, Top overall,...they really dont care.

A collective "subset" of less than a dozen guys telling us the same exact thing day after day is completely the opposite of normal.

I mean I'm fine with you stemming and coping here day after day the way you do until the moment you try to pass it off as normal or take "most fans" with you.

No. The vibe you are still trying to give off in here is completely abnormal (given the context), and the objective with fans like these is for several of them to fill up the thread so we cant simply discuss the latest "real-time" events as they try to "appear" like the majority.

In a different thread that is eerily similar in weirdness,...we have an "injury" thread where we can't discuss the latest injuries. Other injury threads get locked and we're forced to read about a bunch of paranormal conspiracy stuff instead of what the topic of the thread is.

What are you guys even arguing here?

1. You wouldn'tve drafted Lance.
2. You think it's a waste of a draft pick.

Anything else?

They have been kicking that can around for years. Even with new topics to discuss on Trey, they are still discussing the trade and the 4 starts.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Most fans are not happy that the player the team spent tons of draft capital on is competing for the QB2 role in year 3.

Please don't speak for "most fans." As of now he's still here for at least 2 more years, and you have zero evidence to back this up.

The negative addiction you have towards a thread and a player that hasnt really played yet isin't at all normal or something "most fans" are going through,...especially when Brock is right there.

I'd argue that most fans are much more mature than that and it's a select few of you that can't help but continue on. Lol so no,...let's not take complete weirdness and try to normalize it.

Were you arguing against yourself??

Please don't speak for most fans. You have zero evidence to back this up.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I agree, barring something extreme - I don't see him unseating Purdy in camp.

i think it's very clear that lance has significantly improved a lot of areas in his game, which is a huge positive. He needs to keep pushing Brock and help make each other as good as possible. But I do think the job is Brock's to lose.

I'd like to hear kyle/Griese say that Lance is executing the offense really well and correctly, that's really the biggest unknown with Lance right now. Just cause he's completing passes or scoring here and there - doesn't mean he's actually executing the offense the way kyle wants it done.

I always think about Brock's TD pass to kittle in the raiders game, it was an awesome off script play and everyone was cheering saying how awesome it was, but Kyle wasn't happy because it was poor execution of his offense.

id like to hear kyle/Griese say Lance is playing great and all that, essentially similar praise he gives Purdy in regards to his he executes the plays. Instead of "he looks much better." "He's playing better than he has in the past", because that doesn't mean that they're happy with him and his execution of the offense. Just means Lance looks better throwing the ball and all that.

im not saying Lance isn't executing the offense well, or that he can't, I'd just like to hear the coaches say that. I think that will be a true indication of how good of a camp he's having and putting pressure on Brock. Unless I've missed it, that always seems to be missing from their comments on him. Which it's possible I've missed it, maybe they have.

According to the random numbers that are posted after each practice it looks like Trey was hitting about 50% of his passes the first 4 days of camp, and is around 70% the last 5 days of camp.

It could appear that Trey knocked some rust off, but we have no idea what is being asked of any of these QBs.

We have no idea if the coaches asked the QBs to target certain defenders, we have no idea if they are pushing certain progressions to give opportunities to evaluate certain prospects or test certain defenses....

The team knows Brock and Trey are making the team, there are tons of guys on that field they probably want in different situations to see if they can make the team too.

We have no idea how the QBs are being used to test and evaluate the other players. So if Trey goes 1 of 4 or goes 7 of 7 it might not change the coaches opinion on Trey during that practice AT ALL.

I giggle when reporters post something like Hey this QB Never completed a pass over 10 yards on day 7!!!!! Do you know that he was suppose to compete a pass over 10 yards? We have absolutely zero insight to what the purpose of each practice, unless the coaching staff tells us.

We can only talk about the information we get, so we talk about it.....but that does not mean we understand what caused the information we get. Judging it in the lens of "if this was a game" is almost certainly wrong for some of it.

Yes 3 or 4 QBs touch the ball a lot at camp, but they have to use those 3 or 4 QBs to evaluate just about every single player at camp. What those 3 or 4 guys do is not always about the performance of the QB.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I agree, barring something extreme - I don't see him unseating Purdy in camp.

i think it's very clear that lance has significantly improved a lot of areas in his game, which is a huge positive. He needs to keep pushing Brock and help make each other as good as possible. But I do think the job is Brock's to lose.

I'd like to hear kyle/Griese say that Lance is executing the offense really well and correctly, that's really the biggest unknown with Lance right now. Just cause he's completing passes or scoring here and there - doesn't mean he's actually executing the offense the way kyle wants it done.

I always think about Brock's TD pass to kittle in the raiders game, it was an awesome off script play and everyone was cheering saying how awesome it was, but Kyle wasn't happy because it was poor execution of his offense.

id like to hear kyle/Griese say Lance is playing great and all that, essentially similar praise he gives Purdy in regards to his he executes the plays. Instead of "he looks much better." "He's playing better than he has in the past", because that doesn't mean that they're happy with him and his execution of the offense. Just means Lance looks better throwing the ball and all that.

im not saying Lance isn't executing the offense well, or that he can't, I'd just like to hear the coaches say that. I think that will be a true indication of how good of a camp he's having and putting pressure on Brock. Unless I've missed it, that always seems to be missing from their comments on him. Which it's possible I've missed it, maybe they have.

According to the random numbers that are posted after each practice it looks like Trey was hitting about 50% of his passes the first 4 days of camp, and is around 70% the last 5 days of camp.

It could appear that Trey knocked some rust off, but we have no idea what is being asked of any of these QBs.

We have no idea if the coaches asked the QBs to target certain defenders, we have no idea if they are pushing certain progressions to give opportunities to evaluate certain prospects or test certain defenses....

The team knows Brock and Trey are making the team, there are tons of guys on that field they probably want in different situations to see if they can make the team too.

We have no idea how the QBs are being used to test and evaluate the other players. So if Trey goes 1 of 4 or goes 7 of 7 it might not change the coaches opinion on Trey during that practice AT ALL.

I giggle when reporters post something like Hey this QB Never completed a pass over 10 yards on day 7!!!!! Do you know that he was suppose to compete a pass over 10 yards? We have absolutely zero insight to what the purpose of each practice, unless the coaching staff tells us.

We can only talk about the information we get, so we talk about it.....but that does not mean we understand what caused the information we get. Judging it in the lens of "if this was a game" is almost certainly wrong for some of it.

Yes 3 or 4 QBs touch the ball a lot at camp, but they have to use those 3 or 4 QBs to evaluate just about every single player at camp. What those 3 or 4 guys do is not always about the performance of the QB.

Right, and that's all I'm saying. From the outside looking in - Trey looks really good and improved, no doubt. So my perception is that he is having a really good camp. We just don't actually know how pleased the coaches are with his decisions etc (which we could say for just about all the players).

i hope they talk about it because it'll shine light on the plans for his future here, I hope.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I agree, barring something extreme - I don't see him unseating Purdy in camp.

i think it's very clear that lance has significantly improved a lot of areas in his game, which is a huge positive. He needs to keep pushing Brock and help make each other as good as possible. But I do think the job is Brock's to lose.

I'd like to hear kyle/Griese say that Lance is executing the offense really well and correctly, that's really the biggest unknown with Lance right now. Just cause he's completing passes or scoring here and there - doesn't mean he's actually executing the offense the way kyle wants it done.

I always think about Brock's TD pass to kittle in the raiders game, it was an awesome off script play and everyone was cheering saying how awesome it was, but Kyle wasn't happy because it was poor execution of his offense.

id like to hear kyle/Griese say Lance is playing great and all that, essentially similar praise he gives Purdy in regards to his he executes the plays. Instead of "he looks much better." "He's playing better than he has in the past", because that doesn't mean that they're happy with him and his execution of the offense. Just means Lance looks better throwing the ball and all that.

im not saying Lance isn't executing the offense well, or that he can't, I'd just like to hear the coaches say that. I think that will be a true indication of how good of a camp he's having and putting pressure on Brock. Unless I've missed it, that always seems to be missing from their comments on him. Which it's possible I've missed it, maybe they have.

Something crossed my mind and I hope it's not true. I wondered if Treys big jump this year is partially occurring because he knows he's QB2 and there's no pressure on him. He can just let it rip and be comfortable.

I hope this is not the case but it crossed my mind at some point.

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I agree, barring something extreme - I don't see him unseating Purdy in camp.

i think it's very clear that lance has significantly improved a lot of areas in his game, which is a huge positive. He needs to keep pushing Brock and help make each other as good as possible. But I do think the job is Brock's to lose.

I'd like to hear kyle/Griese say that Lance is executing the offense really well and correctly, that's really the biggest unknown with Lance right now. Just cause he's completing passes or scoring here and there - doesn't mean he's actually executing the offense the way kyle wants it done.

I always think about Brock's TD pass to kittle in the raiders game, it was an awesome off script play and everyone was cheering saying how awesome it was, but Kyle wasn't happy because it was poor execution of his offense.

id like to hear kyle/Griese say Lance is playing great and all that, essentially similar praise he gives Purdy in regards to his he executes the plays. Instead of "he looks much better." "He's playing better than he has in the past", because that doesn't mean that they're happy with him and his execution of the offense. Just means Lance looks better throwing the ball and all that.

im not saying Lance isn't executing the offense well, or that he can't, I'd just like to hear the coaches say that. I think that will be a true indication of how good of a camp he's having and putting pressure on Brock. Unless I've missed it, that always seems to be missing from their comments on him. Which it's possible I've missed it, maybe they have.

Something crossed my mind and I hope it's not true. I wondered if Treys big jump this year is partially occurring because he knows he's QB2 and there's no pressure on him. He can just let it rip and be comfortable.

I hope this is not the case but it crossed my mind at some point.

I think it is quite the opposite. Trey lost his starting job due to a 7th round rookie who played exceptional while he was rehabbing. Now he is battling for the #2 spot with a 4th year journey man with a similar draft status. He for sure feels the pressure. Hopefully it creates a diamond out of him.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I think it is quite the opposite. Trey lost his starting job due to a 7th round rookie who played exceptional while he was rehabbing. Now he is battling for the #2 spot with a 4th year journey man with a similar draft status. He for sure feels the pressure. Hopefully it creates a diamond out of him.

i like your take better and I hope that's the case, we want someone that doesn't tighten up when the pressure is on!

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I agree, barring something extreme - I don't see him unseating Purdy in camp.

i think it's very clear that lance has significantly improved a lot of areas in his game, which is a huge positive. He needs to keep pushing Brock and help make each other as good as possible. But I do think the job is Brock's to lose.

I'd like to hear kyle/Griese say that Lance is executing the offense really well and correctly, that's really the biggest unknown with Lance right now. Just cause he's completing passes or scoring here and there - doesn't mean he's actually executing the offense the way kyle wants it done.

I always think about Brock's TD pass to kittle in the raiders game, it was an awesome off script play and everyone was cheering saying how awesome it was, but Kyle wasn't happy because it was poor execution of his offense.

id like to hear kyle/Griese say Lance is playing great and all that, essentially similar praise he gives Purdy in regards to his he executes the plays. Instead of "he looks much better." "He's playing better than he has in the past", because that doesn't mean that they're happy with him and his execution of the offense. Just means Lance looks better throwing the ball and all that.

im not saying Lance isn't executing the offense well, or that he can't, I'd just like to hear the coaches say that. I think that will be a true indication of how good of a camp he's having and putting pressure on Brock. Unless I've missed it, that always seems to be missing from their comments on him. Which it's possible I've missed it, maybe they have.

Something crossed my mind and I hope it's not true. I wondered if Treys big jump this year is partially occurring because he knows he's QB2 and there's no pressure on him. He can just let it rip and be comfortable.

I hope this is not the case but it crossed my mind at some point.

Hmm I don't think that's it. I just think he knows he need to be confident in himself and his ability, trust his instincts and just play loose. I think he knows playing it safe and over thinking will hurt him more than benefit him, so his best shot at getting to QB1 and helping the team, is to do what he's been doing. If he can continue to do that, he will most likely be better than I've anticipated he will.

i think a big question with him too is if he will remain doing that when he's able to get hit, you know? It's easy to hang in there in the pocket in camp/practice because you know nothing will happen to you, but it's different in a game. Especially after you've taken a few but hits and you've been injured your whole career.

I give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he will translate it to the active field.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Can you hear the music, Trey Lance?💥 #49ers pic.twitter.com/FKN6VM9xfP

— Chris Polo (@ChrisPolo__) August 6, 2023

Originally posted by tankle104:
Hmm I don't think that's it. I just think he knows he need to be confident in himself and his ability, trust his instincts and just play loose. I think he knows playing it safe and over thinking will hurt him more than benefit him, so his best shot at getting to QB1 and helping the team, is to do what he's been doing. If he can continue to do that, he will most likely be better than I've anticipated he will.

i think a big question with him too is if he will remain doing that when he's able to get hit, you know? It's easy to hang in there in the pocket in camp/practice because you know nothing will happen to you, but it's different in a game. Especially after you've taken a few but hits and you've been injured your whole career.

I give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he will translate it to the active field.

Definitely things to watch! Maybe these are some of the things also being evaluated by the coaching staff… instead of camp completion percentages and AGG% lol

new angle on the Trey to Snead TD

Originally posted by 4ML:

Can you hear the music, Trey Lance?💥 #49ers pic.twitter.com/FKN6VM9xfP

— Chris Polo (@ChrisPolo__) August 6, 2023

You just triggered Jose

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Physically talented QBs tend to rely on athleticism to get out of trouble - for example, the one-read-and-run Steve Young. Until he just stopped running and concentrated on getting the ball out of his hands (like a point guard) he didn't amount to much as a QB. Trey, similarly, was called on to run - because he had the talent to do so - and was injured because of it. That delayed his progress. Colin similarly he could run and had a gun, and could get away with a lot of things because of the talent around him. Once the talent disappeared, he was exposed.

Probably would've helped if not only the talent around him didn't disappear but the coaching staff as a whole after Harbaugh left was a dumpster fire. I won't give him too much flack though since he wasn't big on improving his mechanics or improving his game overall.

Agree, once he let the non-football stuff distract him from being a professional then (from a mental standpoint) he was not any better than Dante Pettis at that point.

I really am looking forward to seeing Lance's short game. He has to get that down if he wants to do well in Kyle's offense. Purdy can get away without a long ball because he has CMC. He won't have to throw 20+ yard passes as long as CMC is drawing in LB coverage.

Lance has hit on a couple of those short passes in practice and the various journalists seem to say he's getting more comfortable in that area. Hoping to see that improvement in the Raider game.