Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Kap and TL similarities in play:

tall frame
strong arm
unorthodox ugly throwing motion
same type of single throw passer
only throw decent ball is a laser
no touch
struggles with accuracy
struggles with short throws in the flat
low ball position and arm during loading
slashes delivery across body
low elbow below shoulder line
struggles to climb pocket while making reads
locks into target
tendency for tunnel vision
both decent runners in open space
both quiet leaders
didn't take defenses long to catch up to Kap, has already happened to TL

It's funny, Kyle could have had developed Kaepernick from the git-go in 2017, instead of cutting him. (leaving out the non-football issues aside) Lance and Colin have certain similarities. I still believe if Colin had Kyle as his OC - he'd be lighting it up in the NFL and winning a ton of games. Tomsula and Kelly simply don't know how to create an NFL offense and it doesn't help that they had a doofus GM who didn't talk to the scouts or coaches when he drafted players. Jim Harbaugh would have been able to motivate Colin to study more tape and continue to develop his mechanics IMO, and Jim would have had drafted better WR's than Baalke.

Physically talented players like Colin and Trey take (Ironically) more time to develop. I mean Trey probably wouldn't have gotten injured if he didn't show such great running ability in college. For Example, I really haven't seen Kyle call QB power as much when Purdy was QB vs Trey.

not so sure I agree with that... saw a physically talented QB last night playing for the Browns (DTR) who had a very good showing...

Regardless of the reason why Lance is competing with Darnold, I think it's healthy for him in regards to the adversity of the NFL and it shows how he responds to tough situations.

you don't always have "next play", you have to do your best with a limited amount of plays and hope it's good enough to keep getting reps, so splitting them with darnold is probably making him sharper and more focused. He never really had to focus in that, he always had plenty of reps.

i think he's resounding really well to it and possibly in ways, expediting some of his game through the competition.

At least that's the hope. It's easy to crown him right now cause darnold has had a few so-so practices back to back (per reports - who actually knows). It'll heat back up as raiders practices and pre season games start going. It's fun to watch.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
and the same argument can be made, which I have made since he signed, for Brandon Allen... he wouldn't have signed here if KS told him he would just be a camp arm, he could have signed any number of college FA for peanuts to do that...Brandon Allen is here to make the roster and Shanny had to have given him the confidence that he would be able to compete for QB2/QB3...

both the Darnold and Allen signings were a vote of no confidence on TL, just as the Jimmy Gesus signing was last season

Disagree about Allen and think your process is flawed, lol. First of all, he's not competing for QB2. He's taking QB3 snaps exclusively. Secondly, he signed for $200k guaranteed, not 3.5 million with incentives up to 11 ish. It's only a very small reduction from his contract last year. There's no real basis to assume he was promised anything.

I think it's possible that they would be willing to roll with him as QB3 if they were to get a nice offer and trade one of the QB2's though. I don't expect it to happen.

we see it differently... its going to be interesting to see how it all plays out on the final cut downs... so far this camp has been one of the best in recent memory, usually they are pretty boring

Darnold can give him pointers on what a real ghost looks like and how to avoid catching mono

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
we see it differently... its going to be interesting to see how it all plays out on the final cut downs... so far this camp has been one of the best in recent memory, usually they are pretty boring

For sure.

Definitely agree it's been dramatic, lol.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 49ersFan_vienna:
ok, so you want to make sitcom here?
The 49ers would be able to take a deep look inti the box and COMPARE it accordingly to the ship, and AFTERWARDS decide.
What they do: we dont do an assessment, we take the boat after sailing one small turn.
Hopefully we wil not end up with an boat looking pretty above the water, but sinking slowly after it gets tested in the sea without doing an proper assessment.
We very well could end like this:

Kyle saw Trey everyday in practice. While I don't think any outsiders can make a judgement on Trey, I believe Kyle and his coaching staff can make that assessment with good confidence.

In addition, where a player was drafted was a sunk cost at this point. People need to stop falling into the sunk cost fallacy.

Kyle believe Purdy is the real deal, and he choose him as QB1. There is nothing wrong with this decision IMO.

Kyle has been shown to be too emotional when it comes to some players. He falls in love with guys and if they don't perform to his expectations he's quick to shove them aside. Some guys manage to power through it and come out better - Aiyuk.

Others don't - Pettis, Sermon.

Kyle clearly doesn't care about the cost that goes into these guys if he thinks they're not performing he will cut them, bench them, etc.

Issue is not everyone respond the same way and some guys don't deal well with that type of coaching. Now i don't think Trey is that type of guy but Kyle could definitely be trying to push him the way he did Aiyuk and the other guys to see how he responds. So far he's responded well. We'll see how he keeps going and once joint practice and preseason games come in.

Pettis and Sermon....these examples don't prove Kyle was too emotional. It is not like they are having a good careers that made us wonder whether Kyle made the right decision to be harsh on them.

That's because those guys couldn't handle it. That's the point. Aiyuk was pushed aside…had he not reacted to it well and we cut him would you be saying no big deal if another coach got what we are getting out of him now?

Kyle is quick to change his opinion, sometimes he's not. That's an issue with him. He didn't see Mullens was a better player than Beathard cuz he zeroed in on CJ.

Kyle is a great play caller but we gotta stop thinking the man is incapable of being wrong, especially when it comes to player evaluations.

It's kind of crazy that we took a kid with such limited experience and apparently lost so much interest in his career that you guys claim he's not even QB2.

Do things change with teams? Sure. Does it make sense to push Trey aside and give him almost no love via the media? Doesn't make sense to me. Even if you wanted to trade him you'd fake praise on him.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Or it says that Brock Purdy was one of the most impressive and productive rookie QBs of all time... and Trey unfortunately is the one who takes the hit for Brock's emergence.

The issue with this conclusion is it doesn't adequately address the fact that Trey is competing to be a backup with a FA.

If it was just Brock's emergence and there* was a full faith in Trey outside of it, Trey would be a set in stone QB2. Brock's injury would have been a perfect opportunity to continue to focus on Trey.

This was the argument that was made for months, including before the competition became a reality, based on evidence that a lot of other people rejected and assumed was the product of bias or hate.

Bc we signed Darnold. We didn't sign some scrub journeyman for no money. Darnold would've not signed here if he would've been told you're gonna be QB 3.

Both QBs were coming back from a major injury so we definitely needed someone who can even be a starter if both came back looking bad and not ready.

And if Darnold wins the backup spot (which I don't see happening the way Trey has played so far in camp) than that's on Trey then.

Either way, Waterbears post was the logical answer.

and the same argument can be made, which I have made since he signed, for Brandon Allen... he wouldn't have signed here if KS told him he would just be a camp arm, he could have signed any number of college FA for peanuts to do that...Brandon Allen is here to make the roster and Shanny had to have given him the confidence that he would be able to compete for QB2/QB3...

both the Darnold and Allen signings were a vote of no confidence on TL, just as the Jimmy Gesus signing was last season

I can read your posts first without seeing who posted them and know they're from you.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Kap and TL similarities in play:

tall frame
strong arm
unorthodox ugly throwing motion
same type of single throw passer
only throw decent ball is a laser
no touch
struggles with accuracy
struggles with short throws in the flat
low ball position and arm during loading
slashes delivery across body
low elbow below shoulder line
struggles to climb pocket while making reads
locks into target
tendency for tunnel vision
both decent runners in open space
both quiet leaders
didn't take defenses long to catch up to Kap, has already happened to TL

It's funny, Kyle could have had developed Kaepernick from the git-go in 2017, instead of cutting him. (leaving out the non-football issues aside) Lance and Colin have certain similarities. I still believe if Colin had Kyle as his OC - he'd be lighting it up in the NFL and winning a ton of games. Tomsula and Kelly simply don't know how to create an NFL offense and it doesn't help that they had a doofus GM who didn't talk to the scouts or coaches when he drafted players. Jim Harbaugh would have been able to motivate Colin to study more tape and continue to develop his mechanics IMO, and Jim would have had drafted better WR's than Baalke.

Physically talented players like Colin and Trey take (Ironically) more time to develop. I mean Trey probably wouldn't have gotten injured if he didn't show such great running ability in college. For Example, I really haven't seen Kyle call QB power as much when Purdy was QB vs Trey.

not so sure I agree with that... saw a physically talented QB last night playing for the Browns (DTR) who had a very good showing...

Wow a good showing in preseason. HOF here we come!

DTR is almost a year older than Trey despite being a rookie while Trey is in year 3. He's also had about 1000 more pass attempts in college than Trey did. Dude is like Van Wilder…

Originally posted by genus49:
Wow a good showing in preseason. HOF here we come!

DTR is almost a year older than Trey despite being a rookie while Trey is in year 3. He's also had about 1000 more pass attempts in college than Trey did. Dude is like Van Wilder…

Happened in the HoF game. This checks out.

Originally posted by genus49:
That's because those guys couldn't handle it. That's the point. Aiyuk was pushed aside…had he not reacted to it well and we cut him would you be saying no big deal if another coach got what we are getting out of him now?

Kyle is quick to change his opinion, sometimes he's not. That's an issue with him. He didn't see Mullens was a better player than Beathard cuz he zeroed in on CJ.

Kyle is a great play caller but we gotta stop thinking the man is incapable of being wrong, especially when it comes to player evaluations.

It's kind of crazy that we took a kid with such limited experience and apparently lost so much interest in his career that you guys claim he's not even QB2.

Do things change with teams? Sure. Does it make sense to push Trey aside and give him almost no love via the media? Doesn't make sense to me. Even if you wanted to trade him you'd fake praise on him.

there is a pretty healthy amount of assumptions taking place....

From all accounts, Kyle is very transparent about what his benchmarks are, and is very open about his expectations with the players.

The one thing you hear over and over is Kyle is honest and direct with players.

His "opinion" on what a player should be doing, does not change quickly....

You meet the expectations or you better hope you don't have someone behind you on the depth chart or you are going to sit.

Side note, i would bet real money drafting Beathard had as much to do with his name/family then it did anything. Would not shock me at all to one day hear ownership was involved, and Beathard ends up in the front office at some point.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by genus49:
That's because those guys couldn't handle it. That's the point. Aiyuk was pushed aside…had he not reacted to it well and we cut him would you be saying no big deal if another coach got what we are getting out of him now?

Kyle is quick to change his opinion, sometimes he's not. That's an issue with him. He didn't see Mullens was a better player than Beathard cuz he zeroed in on CJ.

Kyle is a great play caller but we gotta stop thinking the man is incapable of being wrong, especially when it comes to player evaluations.

It's kind of crazy that we took a kid with such limited experience and apparently lost so much interest in his career that you guys claim he's not even QB2.

Do things change with teams? Sure. Does it make sense to push Trey aside and give him almost no love via the media? Doesn't make sense to me. Even if you wanted to trade him you'd fake praise on him.

there is a pretty healthy amount of assumptions taking place....

From all accounts, Kyle is very transparent about what his benchmarks are, and is very open about his expectations with the players.

The one thing you hear over and over is Kyle is honest and direct with players.

His "opinion" on what a player should be doing, does not change quickly....

You meet the expectations or you better hope you don't have someone behind you on the depth chart or you are going to sit.

Side note, i would bet real money drafting Beathard had as much to do with his name/family then it did anything. Would not shock me at all to one day hear ownership was involved, and Beathard ends up in the front office at some point.

lol you say I make a lot of assumptions and then finish up your post thinking 49ers ownership pushed Kyle who they just hired after two embarrassing seasons and forced him to sign a legacy of another team? Considering Beathard had nothing to do with the 49ers??

I've already talked about Kyle's expectations and how he gets mad at players even when they execute positive plays or TDs if they didn't happen how Kyle expected it to happen. There is a sort of ego trip to that and those types of overreactions to positive things influence his opinion more than they should.

Yes his expectation is if you execute my offense it will lead to more success than not but there has to be more of an understanding for him and let these guys play lose without risking his wrath or thinking they f'd up.

Originally posted by genus49:
lol you say I make a lot of assumptions and then finish up your post thinking 49ers ownership pushed Kyle who they just hired after two embarrassing seasons and forced him to sign a legacy of another team? Considering Beathard had nothing to do with the 49ers??

I've already talked about Kyle's expectations and how he gets mad at players even when they execute positive plays or TDs if they didn't happen how Kyle expected it to happen. There is a sort of ego trip to that and those types of overreactions to positive things influence his opinion more than they should.

Yes his expectation is if you execute my offense it will lead to more success than not but there has to be more of an understanding for him and let these guys play lose without risking his wrath or thinking they f'd up.

If that was really true, if they were all on eggshells like that then I think they all wouldn't be resigning with the team.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Kyle's management of the position has been flawed. I think all of us can argue this case, even if it's from different angles.

If we all can argue it, then why are you telling us? This is like Kolohe a couple pages back telling us he wouldnt have traded up to draft Trey.

Like... Okay... Thanks for the late breaking news.

Kyle's management of ALL 53 spots has been less flawed than any other coach in the NFL the last several years. Clearly, this is what matters most, and this is the reason for our recent success.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Regardless of the reason why Lance is competing with Darnold, I think it's healthy for him in regards to the adversity of the NFL and it shows how he responds to tough situations.

Uhmmm... Well u just gave the reason.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
Wow a good showing in preseason. HOF here we come!

DTR is almost a year older than Trey despite being a rookie while Trey is in year 3. He's also had about 1000 more pass attempts in college than Trey did. Dude is like Van Wilder…

Happened in the HoF game. This checks out.

DTR looked far better in one single game than TL has ever looked at any time!