Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Or it says that Brock Purdy was one of the most impressive and productive rookie QBs of all time... and Trey unfortunately is the one who takes the hit for Brock's emergence.

The issue with this conclusion is it doesn't adequately address the fact that Trey is competing to be a backup with a FA.

If it was just Brock's emergence and there* was a full faith in Trey outside of it, Trey would be a set in stone QB2. Brock's injury would have been a perfect opportunity to continue to focus on Trey.

This was the argument that was made for months, including before the competition became a reality, based on evidence that a lot of other people rejected and assumed was the product of bias or hate.

Bc we signed Darnold. We didn't sign some scrub journeyman for no money. Darnold would've not signed here if he would've been told you're gonna be QB 3.

Both QBs were coming back from a major injury so we definitely needed someone who can even be a starter if both came back looking bad and not ready.

And if Darnold wins the backup spot (which I don't see happening the way Trey has played so far in camp) than that's on Trey then.

Either way, Waterbears post was the logical answer.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Bc we signed Darnold. We didn't sign some scrub journeyman for no money. Darnold would've not signed here if he would've been told you're gonna be QB 3.

Both QBs were coming back from a major injury so we definitely needed someone who can even be a starter if both came back looking bad and not ready.

And if Darnold wins the backup spot (which I don't see happening the way Trey has played so far in camp) than that's on Trey then.

Either way, Waterbears post was the logical answer.

And the easy counter to this is Trey's healthy now (let alone he was what… a week or two from clearance when the GEQBUS signed).

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by joeknows:
It's not just about ability assessment, it's also about knowns vs unknowns.

For many reasons, some not his fault at all, some which he contributed to, Lance has not been able to reveal his level to us yet.

Brock has given us a lot more information to go on. At the very least, he is a very exciting player at this point.

If there's a tidy sum under beaker 1, but you don't know what's under beaker 2 (and it could be nothing at all), then beaker 1 is the right choice for now.

Lance has reps and opportunities, just like Brock did a year ago from now. He has to make them count.

For the record - I'm hoping big time that he does. Though I can probably describe myself as having gone from a 'believer' to a 'hoper'.

This video perfectly encapsulates the situation

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 49ersFan_vienna:
ok, so you want to make sitcom here?
The 49ers would be able to take a deep look inti the box and COMPARE it accordingly to the ship, and AFTERWARDS decide.
What they do: we dont do an assessment, we take the boat after sailing one small turn.
Hopefully we wil not end up with an boat looking pretty above the water, but sinking slowly after it gets tested in the sea without doing an proper assessment.
We very well could end like this:

Kyle saw Trey everyday in practice. While I don't think any outsiders can make a judgement on Trey, I believe Kyle and his coaching staff can make that assessment with good confidence.

In addition, where a player was drafted was a sunk cost at this point. People need to stop falling into the sunk cost fallacy.

Kyle believe Purdy is the real deal, and he choose him as QB1. There is nothing wrong with this decision IMO.

Kyle has been shown to be too emotional when it comes to some players. He falls in love with guys and if they don't perform to his expectations he's quick to shove them aside. Some guys manage to power through it and come out better - Aiyuk.

Others don't - Pettis, Sermon.

Kyle clearly doesn't care about the cost that goes into these guys if he thinks they're not performing he will cut them, bench them, etc.

Issue is not everyone respond the same way and some guys don't deal well with that type of coaching. Now i don't think Trey is that type of guy but Kyle could definitely be trying to push him the way he did Aiyuk and the other guys to see how he responds. So far he's responded well. We'll see how he keeps going and once joint practice and preseason games come in.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Bc we signed Darnold. We didn't sign some scrub journeyman for no money. Darnold would've not signed here if he would've been told you're gonna be QB 3.

Both QBs were coming back from a major injury so we definitely needed someone who can even be a starter if both came back looking bad and not ready.

And if Darnold wins the backup spot (which I don't see happening the way Trey has played so far in camp) than that's on Trey then.

Either way, Waterbears post was the logical answer.

And the easy counter to this is Trey's healthy now (let alone he was what… a week or two from clearance when the GEQBUS signed).

Wtf is GEQBUS?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Bc we signed Darnold. We didn't sign some scrub journeyman for no money. Darnold would've not signed here if he would've been told you're gonna be QB 3.

Both QBs were coming back from a major injury so we definitely needed someone who can even be a starter if both came back looking bad and not ready.

And if Darnold wins the backup spot (which I don't see happening the way Trey has played so far in camp) than that's on Trey then.

Either way, Waterbears post was the logical answer.

And the easy counter to this is Trey's healthy now (let alone he was what… a week or two from clearance when the GEQBUS signed).

There's nothing to counter. Both QBs were coming off of bad injuries and weren't going to be cleared till the summer. FA started in March...

They weren't just gotta cut Darnold once both were cleared. And that chapter is still yet to be closed, wouldn't be surprised to see Darnold traded especially if some team suffers a QB injury at the starting or backup position.

Originally posted by genus49:
Wtf is GEQBUS?

God emperor quarterback of the united states.

https://www.reddit.com/r/the_darnold/

Some really enjoyable parody, lol.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 49ersFan_vienna:
ok, so you want to make sitcom here?
The 49ers would be able to take a deep look inti the box and COMPARE it accordingly to the ship, and AFTERWARDS decide.
What they do: we dont do an assessment, we take the boat after sailing one small turn.
Hopefully we wil not end up with an boat looking pretty above the water, but sinking slowly after it gets tested in the sea without doing an proper assessment.
We very well could end like this:

Kyle saw Trey everyday in practice. While I don't think any outsiders can make a judgement on Trey, I believe Kyle and his coaching staff can make that assessment with good confidence.

In addition, where a player was drafted was a sunk cost at this point. People need to stop falling into the sunk cost fallacy.

Kyle believe Purdy is the real deal, and he choose him as QB1. There is nothing wrong with this decision IMO.

Kyle has been shown to be too emotional when it comes to some players. He falls in love with guys and if they don't perform to his expectations he's quick to shove them aside. Some guys manage to power through it and come out better - Aiyuk.

Others don't - Pettis, Sermon.

Kyle clearly doesn't care about the cost that goes into these guys if he thinks they're not performing he will cut them, bench them, etc.

Issue is not everyone respond the same way and some guys don't deal well with that type of coaching. Now i don't think Trey is that type of guy but Kyle could definitely be trying to push him the way he did Aiyuk and the other guys to see how he responds. So far he's responded well. We'll see how he keeps going and once joint practice and preseason games come in.

Pettis and Sermon....these examples don't prove Kyle was too emotional. It is not like they are having a good careers that made us wonder whether Kyle made the right decision to be harsh on them.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Pettis and Sermon....these examples don't prove Kyle was too emotional. It is not like they are having a good careers that made us wonder whether Kyle made the right decision to be harsh on them.

How about Kirk Cousins? Kyle being overly in love with him prevented him from even evaluating/considering Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson in a draft where we needed a QB and had the #2 pick.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
How about Kirk Cousins? Kyle being overly in love with him prevented him from even evaluating/considering Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson in a draft where we needed a QB and had the #2 pick.

Not really an example of Kyle being overly emotional as much as it's an example of him not being a great GM (and us not really having a traditional one). If he loved Kirk Cousins so much as to eschew any other plan, we probably wouldn't have inked Jimmy longterm after 17.

Kyle's management of the position has been flawed. I think all of us can argue this case, even if it's from different angles.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Or it says that Brock Purdy was one of the most impressive and productive rookie QBs of all time... and Trey unfortunately is the one who takes the hit for Brock's emergence.

The issue with this conclusion is it doesn't adequately address the fact that Trey is competing to be a backup with a FA.

If it was just Brock's emergence and there* was a full faith in Trey outside of it, Trey would be a set in stone QB2. Brock's injury would have been a perfect opportunity to continue to focus on Trey.

This was the argument that was made for months, including before the competition became a reality, based on evidence that a lot of other people rejected and assumed was the product of bias or hate.

Bc we signed Darnold. We didn't sign some scrub journeyman for no money. Darnold would've not signed here if he would've been told you're gonna be QB 3.

Both QBs were coming back from a major injury so we definitely needed someone who can even be a starter if both came back looking bad and not ready.

And if Darnold wins the backup spot (which I don't see happening the way Trey has played so far in camp) than that's on Trey then.

Either way, Waterbears post was the logical answer.

and the same argument can be made, which I have made since he signed, for Brandon Allen... he wouldn't have signed here if KS told him he would just be a camp arm, he could have signed any number of college FA for peanuts to do that...Brandon Allen is here to make the roster and Shanny had to have given him the confidence that he would be able to compete for QB2/QB3...

both the Darnold and Allen signings were a vote of no confidence on TL, just as the Jimmy Gesus signing was last season

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Or it says that Brock Purdy was one of the most impressive and productive rookie QBs of all time... and Trey unfortunately is the one who takes the hit for Brock's emergence.

The issue with this conclusion is it doesn't adequately address the fact that Trey is competing to be a backup with a FA.

If it was just Brock's emergence and there* was a full faith in Trey outside of it, Trey would be a set in stone QB2. Brock's injury would have been a perfect opportunity to continue to focus on Trey.

This was the argument that was made for months, including before the competition became a reality, based on evidence that a lot of other people rejected and assumed was the product of bias or hate.

Bc we signed Darnold. We didn't sign some scrub journeyman for no money. Darnold would've not signed here if he would've been told you're gonna be QB 3.

Both QBs were coming back from a major injury so we definitely needed someone who can even be a starter if both came back looking bad and not ready.

And if Darnold wins the backup spot (which I don't see happening the way Trey has played so far in camp) than that's on Trey then.

Either way, Waterbears post was the logical answer.

and the same argument can be made, which I have made since he signed, for Brandon Allen... he wouldn't have signed here if KS told him he would just be a camp arm, he could have signed any number of college FA for peanuts to do that...Brandon Allen is here to make the roster and Shanny had to have given him the confidence that he would be able to compete for QB2/QB3...

both the Darnold and Allen signings were a vote of no confidence on TL, just as the Jimmy Gesus signing was last season

Sure thing bud. Go back to making your stupid lists of comparing Trey to Lance. God damn that thing was a joke 🤣 but at least you got your attention.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
and the same argument can be made, which I have made since he signed, for Brandon Allen... he wouldn't have signed here if KS told him he would just be a camp arm, he could have signed any number of college FA for peanuts to do that...Brandon Allen is here to make the roster and Shanny had to have given him the confidence that he would be able to compete for QB2/QB3...

both the Darnold and Allen signings were a vote of no confidence on TL, just as the Jimmy Gesus signing was last season

Disagree about Allen and think your process is flawed, lol. First of all, he's not competing for QB2. He's taking QB3 snaps exclusively. Secondly, he signed for $200k guaranteed, not 3.5 million with incentives up to 11 ish. It's only a very small reduction from his contract last year. There's no real basis to assume he was promised anything.

I think it's possible that they would be willing to roll with him as QB3 if they were to get a nice offer and trade one of the QB2's though. I don't expect it to happen.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49ersFan_vienna:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
This isn't the same situation. Brock established the position he's in with his play last season. Trey was handed a job based on potential and draft status.

Trey basically never got the chance to show what he has in games.
Trey is mach more raw out of college than Purdy was.

My hope/fear ist, that he turns into something special with reps/experience and we miss out on him.
He raised his level this offseason dramatically if you believe reports/coaches/Lynch. Without actual games.
I am so desperate to see what he can do with some experience under his belt.

Shanahan and Co have had all the time to evaluate him. If he does turn into something thats on Shanahan. You guys love shanny yet don't trust him with Lance. Makes no sense.

THIS

the narrative the TL hasn't had a "chance" is absurd

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
Wtf is GEQBUS?

God emperor quarterback of the united states.

https://www.reddit.com/r/the_darnold/

Some really enjoyable parody, lol.

LMAO I was wondering what that meant, as well.