Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Bro, right? What is happening right now? Lol.

To your other posts about his college mechanics, I just watched a bunch of his college throws, much tighter and higher release as you said. Would love to know the story behind the change. Or maybe it was just "jitters" or whatever from being a rookie.

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Originally posted by 49erminion:
probably a manifestation of him trying to improve his mechanics. doesnt happen overnight

Kyle has already mentioned him tightening up/changing up some of his release mechanics (post Texans game). You still wondering?

So in trying to improve, they got worse/uglier? Interesting theory you have.

So "he's trying to throw differently" is not a good enough answer right now and you're still going to wonder what's up. Is this what you're saying?

Who said the bolded? You quoted it so I'm assuming someone actually said this?

Kyle told us he's throwing the ball differently.

You didn't answer the question. Why the delay? Are you truly wondering about this or just trying to needlessly drag it out?

So no one actually said that, you just quoted it to try and make your point stronger. Lol got it.

Improving mechanics and "trying to throw it differently" (your quote, no one else's) to the point that his release is almost side arm and the ball is coming out wobbly are totally different things.

No clue what you're asking me. Delay what? And truly wondering what? Why his throwing motion/mechanics are so different from college, to the point that they are almost ugly and not improving the spin on the ball nor the accuracy? Yes, I am "truly wondering" why that is. I would obviously agree that he's been trying to improve his mechanics this season, but I have a really hard time believing that what we saw on Sunday was intentional. And if it is, I REALLY want to know why. Because his throwing mechanics from college look WAY cleaner and better to me.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Hmm… what problems does it cause? I always thought that each play has a certain amount of steps the QB is supposed to take for timing, play development. This looks like a 3 step drop. Is it not supposed to be?

This is exactly why false steps are bad. A false step is an unnecessary step that messes with timing. This is one reason why Trey looks so awkwardly rushed and a bit out of sync on those quick 1/3 step stop throws.

Gotcha. I hadn't noticed, but if it is an issue, yeah, hope it gets fixed. Have to imagine it's something to work on in the offseason.

Glad the kid is good, he's almost succeeding despite shanahan. Some of the designed runs are clumsy and really Trey should be launching it deep at least twice a quarter. Baby steps I guess.

it surely didn't look revolutionary, but it was solid. The whole, Kyle was drawing up plays after Justin Fields pro day is pure John Lynch media b******t.

raw, but we saw tools. Not as fast or twitchy as expected but fast enough. He will be judged harshly tho. Wish shanahan didn't drop 3 firsts into one player tho that will always be part of the calculus.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Huh? Who are you talking about?

Uh, Trey Lance? lol

Guess I was confused about first year starting and 1 game in 2021. Didn't realize you were talkin college. What is the false step? I may not have paid enough attention to see it.

Yes, I refering to his college starts. My bad if I wasn't clear.

A false step is wasted motion/step. Trey always false steps out of the gun. It's weird because he didn't do it much(at all as far as I remember) in 2020 but came back in 2021 with it. It's so gross and so glaring for anyone that has been drilled by a football coach for false stepping. This is an easy fix, tho. Either stagger his stance and it'll naturally fix OR remind him to drive off his left instead of stepping back with it.

Hmm… what problems does it cause? I always thought that each play has a certain amount of steps the QB is supposed to take for timing, play development. This looks like a 3 step drop. Is it not supposed to be?

It's the 3 step drop of a supreme athlete. Too Used to seeing the cement drag step of a bum dropping back.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Bro, right? What is happening right now? Lol.

To your other posts about his college mechanics, I just watched a bunch of his college throws, much tighter and higher release as you said. Would love to know the story behind the change. Or maybe it was just "jitters" or whatever from being a rookie.

A poster just said...

Originally posted by 49erminion:
probably a manifestation of him trying to improve his mechanics. doesnt happen overnight

Kyle has already mentioned him tightening up/changing up some of his release mechanics (post Texans game). You still wondering?

So in trying to improve, they got worse/uglier? Interesting theory you have.

So "he's trying to throw differently" is not a good enough answer right now and you're still going to wonder what's up. Is this what you're saying?

Who said the bolded? You quoted it so I'm assuming someone actually said this?

Kyle told us he's throwing the ball differently.

You didn't answer the question. Why the delay? Are you truly wondering about this or just trying to needlessly drag it out?

So no one actually said that, you just quoted it to try and make your point stronger. Lol got it.

Kyle said it. He's adjusted his throwing motion since earlier in the season. You were wondering what's up with the change in how some of his passes look.

If Kyle had said "no,....he's throwing the exact same way as he did earlier in the season, as far as I know,".......I could see the reason to be curious.

Lol but if the coach has told you in plain English that Trey's been making modifications MIDSEASON, I see no reason to still be curious about it, as the coach has pretty much answered your curiosity about what (if anything) has changed. It means he's in the lab, he's tinkering, he's toying, and quite naturally even if Kyle never said a word, the work is incomplete.

Are you still curious anyway?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Bro, right? What is happening right now? Lol.

To your other posts about his college mechanics, I just watched a bunch of his college throws, much tighter and higher release as you said. Would love to know the story behind the change. Or maybe it was just "jitters" or whatever from being a rookie.

A poster just said...

Originally posted by 49erminion:
probably a manifestation of him trying to improve his mechanics. doesnt happen overnight

Kyle has already mentioned him tightening up/changing up some of his release mechanics (post Texans game). You still wondering?

So in trying to improve, they got worse/uglier? Interesting theory you have.

So "he's trying to throw differently" is not a good enough answer right now and you're still going to wonder what's up. Is this what you're saying?

Who said the bolded? You quoted it so I'm assuming someone actually said this?

Kyle told us he's throwing the ball differently.

You didn't answer the question. Why the delay? Are you truly wondering about this or just trying to needlessly drag it out?

So no one actually said that, you just quoted it to try and make your point stronger. Lol got it.

Kyle said it. He's adjusted his throwing motion since earlier in the season. You were wondering what's up with the change in how some of his passes look.

If Kyle had said "no,....he's throwing the exact same way as he did earlier in the season, as far as I know,".......I could see the reason to be curious.

Lol but if the coach has told you in plain English that Trey's been making modifications MIDSEASON, I see no reason to still be curious about it, as the coach has pretty much answered your curiosity about what (if anything) has changed. It means he's in the lab, he's tinkering, he's toying, and quite naturally even if Kyle never said a word, the work is incomplete.

Are you still curious anyway?

You've now quoted Kyle as saying "throwing it differently" and "making modifications midseason" even though you can't possibly quote him saying either of those things. You're all over the place with this opinion of yours, and it's ridiculous. All because you're butt hurt that a few of us don't like the throwing motion/mechanics from this past game? I mean are you really THAT sensitive?

Only a few people are being true haters of Trey and they are obvious. Throw them out. The people asking about his mechanics seem genuine. Again, just watch his college highlights from 2019 and look how much lower/sidearm his release was this past Sunday. If that is intentional, I'd really like to know why. Because the ball was wobbly as hell and a lower release point makes it easier for the defense to bat the ball down. It simply makes no sense to make that change.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Kyle can't get Trey's skill sets available in the late round unless he and Lynch hit on a total gem like Mitchell. I would think QB that are more traditional will be more available in the late round.

But I think there's one thing that Kyle would want from his future qb --some mobility. I don't think he ever wanted lead foot Matt Ryan or Drew Brees type, I think he ideally always wanted some mobility in his qb. Moving out of the pocket, PA, threaten the LOS, and still have pocket passer skill set. Lance got all that plus that rocket launcher. He was too enticing to Kyle.

The Ravens have won the past two weeks starting Tyler Huntley who was a UDFA. You can find QB's of all kinds late in drafts.

There is talent everywhere. Just need to motivation to invest in it. There's no motivation with investing in late round picks but there should be.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by random49er:
Yea and Eli Manning wasnt worth it because Phillip Rivers became a better QB. And Rivers wasn't worth it because Big Ben became a better QB. And on and on....plenty of logical sense there, lol.

Totally disagree with the bolded

It's completely tongue in cheek,...lol.

This is simply not the way you grade your draft picks. They aren't completely devalued if a guy 10 or so spots behind them goes on to have a better career. It's just a stupid way to go about evaluation.

I know you were just messing around but I still think Rivers > Ben.

Originally posted by 49erminion:
for giggles and s**ts:

5 points from the other NDSU QB Easton Stick.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Hmm… what problems does it cause? I always thought that each play has a certain amount of steps the QB is supposed to take for timing, play development. This looks like a 3 step drop. Is it not supposed to be?

This is exactly why false steps are bad. A false step is an unnecessary step that messes with timing. This is one reason why Trey looks so awkwardly rushed and a bit out of sync on those quick 1/3 step stop throws.

I just watched all of this throws from the 2020 game against Central Arkansas, and you're right about the false step popping up there. He also appeared to have the lower/sidearm release in that game as well. Although this past Sunday it was even lower and more sidearm. I really like the 2019 footwork and mechanics versus 2020 (albeit only one game) and 2021 (only two games and as a rookie). Hopefully he gets it cleaned up and returns to 2019 form. Doesn't seem like an emphasis for Kyle though so Trey will likely need a really good offseason QB coach.

He showed some good stuff but some of the small things are way too elementary for a top pick. The footwork and the wobbly throws are alarming. Also, as a poster said on the last page, I don't think he is nearly as twitchy or explosive as you guys thought. Somewhat why I comped his tools to Jake locker.

He does show some resiliency and kept his eyes downfield and felt traffic in the pocket….especially on that throw out of our end zone.

So, there is some hope but a long way to go.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
He showed some good stuff but some of the small things are way too elementary for a top pick. The footwork and the wobbly throws are alarming. Also, as a poster said on the last page, I don't think he is nearly as twitchy or explosive as you guys thought. Somewhat why I comped his tools to Jake locker.

He does show some resiliency and kept his eyes downfield and felt traffic in the pocket….especially on that throw out of our end zone.

So, there is some hope but a long way to go.

The scramble and throw were good but there were 3 wide open guys he could have hit from the pocket.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
He showed some good stuff but some of the small things are way too elementary for a top pick. The footwork and the wobbly throws are alarming. Also, as a poster said on the last page, I don't think he is nearly as twitchy or explosive as you guys thought. Somewhat why I comped his tools to Jake locker.

He does show some resiliency and kept his eyes downfield and felt traffic in the pocket….especially on that throw out of our end zone.

So, there is some hope but a long way to go.

Can anyone who has brought this up ad nauseam over the last couple of days provide any articles or quotes from Indianapolis Colts coaches, players or anyone plugged into the team that had similar worries about Peyton Manning?

Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by Furlow:
You've now quoted Kyle as saying "throwing it differently" and "making modifications midseason" even though you can't possibly quote him saying either of those things. You're all over the place with this opinion of yours, and it's ridiculous. All because you're butt hurt that a few of us don't like the throwing motion/mechanics from this past game? I mean are you really THAT sensitive?

Only a few people are being true haters of Trey and they are obvious. Throw them out. The people asking about his mechanics seem genuine. Again, just watch his college highlights from 2019 and look how much lower/sidearm his release was this past Sunday. If that is intentional, I'd really like to know why. Because the ball was wobbly as hell and a lower release point makes it easier for the defense to bat the ball down. It simply makes no sense to make that change.

QBs are adjusting throws to all different types of angles these days,...it's not the 1980's anymore. I wouldnt be too curious about it given that our HC has already admitted he's adjusting some things with his throwing motions midseason.

Also,...there's a difference between a problem and what you perceive as a problem as well. "The wobbly as hell" stuff is an example of that.


His shoe laces, his jersey not fully tucked, the placement of his towel,...lol,....I mean if you're hellbent on making problems out of things, be my guest.

But common sense says if a guy is toying with his release, and will continue to toy with it off of different platforms, I'm not going to expect every pass to look exactly the same. Maybe several years from now.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Bro, right? What is happening right now? Lol.

To your other posts about his college mechanics, I just watched a bunch of his college throws, much tighter and higher release as you said. Would love to know the story behind the change. Or maybe it was just "jitters" or whatever from being a rookie.

A poster just said...

Originally posted by 49erminion:
probably a manifestation of him trying to improve his mechanics. doesnt happen overnight

Kyle has already mentioned him tightening up/changing up some of his release mechanics (post Texans game). You still wondering?

So in trying to improve, they got worse/uglier? Interesting theory you have.

So "he's trying to throw differently" is not a good enough answer right now and you're still going to wonder what's up. Is this what you're saying?

Who said the bolded? You quoted it so I'm assuming someone actually said this?

Kyle told us he's throwing the ball differently.

You didn't answer the question. Why the delay? Are you truly wondering about this or just trying to needlessly drag it out?

So no one actually said that, you just quoted it to try and make your point stronger. Lol got it.

Kyle said it. He's adjusted his throwing motion since earlier in the season. You were wondering what's up with the change in how some of his passes look.

If Kyle had said "no,....he's throwing the exact same way as he did earlier in the season, as far as I know,".......I could see the reason to be curious.

Lol but if the coach has told you in plain English that Trey's been making modifications MIDSEASON, I see no reason to still be curious about it, as the coach has pretty much answered your curiosity about what (if anything) has changed. It means he's in the lab, he's tinkering, he's toying, and quite naturally even if Kyle never said a word, the work is incomplete.

Are you still curious anyway?

You've now quoted Kyle as saying "throwing it differently" and "making modifications midseason" even though you can't possibly quote him saying either of those things. You're all over the place with this opinion of yours, and it's ridiculous. All because you're butt hurt that a few of us don't like the throwing motion/mechanics from this past game? I mean are you really THAT sensitive?

Only a few people are being true haters of Trey and they are obvious. Throw them out. The people asking about his mechanics seem genuine. Again, just watch his college highlights from 2019 and look how much lower/sidearm his release was this past Sunday. If that is intentional, I'd really like to know why. Because the ball was wobbly as hell and a lower release point makes it easier for the defense to bat the ball down. It simply makes no sense to make that change.