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Here is a video breakdown by JT O'Sullivan of Trey Lance's performance against the Texans. Great stuff. The breakdown really shows why Lance is so frustrating. He's making a lot of mistakes but the he's also making some big time plays. Fans are right to be frustrated because Lance isn't there yet.

https://youtu.be/KMz-FH1vsw4

Fans shouldn't be frustrated over a 21 yr old rookie who's played in 2 games since 2019. No one should expect him to be a finished product.

my takeaway from that breakdown is he's doing pretty damn good for a kid that needs reps…a lot of his issues are completely correctable with more time.

I feel like you shouldn't be if you used like a 2nd round pick for the guy. But 3 firsts and a third is the reason I am personally frustrated with Lance at this point in time.

By Frustrating I mean that because he's so basic right now it's hard for the coaches to want to put him out there. He also shows dynamic playmaking at the QB and opens up the field for the receivers with his big arm and legs. Frustrating in that fans want him out there, and I think I do too, but that with Jimmy there playing pretty well it's a hard decision to make. Lance is the upside play.

I think folks quick to criticize really should watch the video first.

Good news is this season is over and Jimmy is already gone. So we get a full year of Lance next year. Time to see what 3 first round picks gets you for a full season. It better be playoffs every year, a couple SB wins and a franchise QB for over a decade.

Hopefully it gets us a lot more than the constant disappointment that $125 million and a 2nd round pick got for us.

Playing in the Super Bowl seemed worth it to me. But I just enjoy watching the niners win and be competitive in the post season. Now we can go back to hoping and praying while struggling to get to .500. Just keep telling ourselves we have a lot of upside and after another year of experience next year might be good.

Came here to say the same. Jimmy got us to a Superbowl, he was worth it. I'm ready for Lance to be the starter, but I will likely never get over how hasty Kyle and Shanny were to blow such a massive amount of draft capital to move up pre draft for an inexperienced project QB. We should have taken whoever was there at 12 or used a single 2nd or 3rd to move up a spot or two to get someone on draft day. I realize that YOU CAN'T JUDGE THE KID AFTER TWO GAMES, but to me, a QB who wasn't able to overtake a so-called below average QB in training camp or when he got a chance to start in week 5 it's already proven to be an over-pay.

Yeah 3 first round picks needs to be for a can't miss guaranteed franchise QB, someone with the Manning name or similar. For a raw project that has little football experience it is a bit silly but holding out hope he lives up to expectations. If it were just your normal first round pick I could see the patience and wait and see approach. But for that cost it better be a Lambo or Ferrari. Time will tell.

Agree with you Reign. I wasn't a fan of the trade or who they picked at the time, due to only starting one year in college. But after seeing him play, it kinda won me over a little, time will tell how good he'll be. One thing is for sure, with the way he played vs Houston, 9ers could trade Jimmy no problem, use that money and already add to a stacked team.....I'm hoping CB and maybe Christian Kirk next year.

Agree. I'm hoping they draft a day three QB with a similar skill set to Trey to develop behind Trey. You can have a guy like Sudfeld be the veteran on the practice squad - if the covid rules are still in effect. Mahomes was pretty set in his second year and my hope is that Trey is along the same path as Mahomes in his development at this point. We shall see next year, but Jimmy will be injured again next year, if the pattern of every other year, he's healthy and the off years, he's injured. Whoever is getting Jimmy is getting a QB made of glass - so to speak - next year.

Odd , isn't it that Trey played 2 games in relief of Jimmy, early on, and then missed 2 weeks of practice due to injury, and one of the injuries was a finger that just recently, folks hoped was okay for him to play. Either we are cursed, or maybe our/Kyle's type of O play is somehow facilitating injury to QBs, RBs, and OLs.

Just an observation. BTW, I hope Jimmy is okay to back Trey up if he gets injured.

To a certain extent, I think it's scheme. Our OLinemen are very small and light, and big DLinmen - in a sense - can over power them with a bull rush right into the QB. Kyle likes athletic and light OLinemen for that zone run. Similarly, sometimes Kyle's offense wants the QB to stand in the pocket and throw the ball and take the hit. There is a reason that Kyle liked BeatHard, and it's because he was tough and could take the hits. So partly scheme, also the competition. I think this division is the toughest in football, with some great athletes, and they will knock the stuffing out of you in this division. Aaron Donald, Chandler JOnes, Wagner are some of the elite defensive athletes in this division and they are outstanding. Injuries, to a certain extent are random, but some (Like us) are less random than most.
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2nd game in the league, nominated for rookie of the week. Bright f**king future, and one of the few 1st round home runs under this regime. To think we have a chance to compete in the playoffs with him with such little experience should excite the hell out of everyone. Forecasting how good he will be next year and how much stronger our team will be with him behind center should make every SF fan elated.
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Bro, right? What is happening right now? Lol.

To your other posts about his college mechanics, I just watched a bunch of his college throws, much tighter and higher release as you said. Would love to know the story behind the change. Or maybe it was just "jitters" or whatever from being a rookie.

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Originally posted by 49erminion:
probably a manifestation of him trying to improve his mechanics. doesnt happen overnight


Kyle has already mentioned him tightening up/changing up some of his release mechanics (post Texans game). You still wondering?

So in trying to improve, they got worse/uglier? Interesting theory you have.


So "he's trying to throw differently" is not a good enough answer right now and you're still going to wonder what's up. Is this what you're saying?

Who said the bolded? You quoted it so I'm assuming someone actually said this?

Kyle told us he's throwing the ball differently.

You didn't answer the question. Why the delay? Are you truly wondering about this or just trying to needlessly drag it out?

So no one actually said that, you just quoted it to try and make your point stronger. Lol got it.

Kyle said it. He's adjusted his throwing motion since earlier in the season. You were wondering what's up with the change in how some of his passes look.

If Kyle had said "no,....he's throwing the exact same way as he did earlier in the season, as far as I know,".......I could see the reason to be curious.

Lol but if the coach has told you in plain English that Trey's been making modifications MIDSEASON, I see no reason to still be curious about it, as the coach has pretty much answered your curiosity about what (if anything) has changed. It means he's in the lab, he's tinkering, he's toying, and quite naturally even if Kyle never said a word, the work is incomplete.

Are you still curious anyway?

You've now quoted Kyle as saying "throwing it differently" and "making modifications midseason" even though you can't possibly quote him saying either of those things. You're all over the place with this opinion of yours, and it's ridiculous. All because you're butt hurt that a few of us don't like the throwing motion/mechanics from this past game? I mean are you really THAT sensitive?

Only a few people are being true haters of Trey and they are obvious. Throw them out. The people asking about his mechanics seem genuine. Again, just watch his college highlights from 2019 and look how much lower/sidearm his release was this past Sunday. If that is intentional, I'd really like to know why. Because the ball was wobbly as hell and a lower release point makes it easier for the defense to bat the ball down. It simply makes no sense to make that change.


A real quote, sweet! "Tightened his throwing motion up a bit" (debatable) are MUCH different than random's BS quotes that no one said (except him) "throwing it differently" and "making modifications midseason." And no one with eyes would say that Trey's throwing mechanics were "tighter" on Sunday versus 2020 nor 2019. Just go watch the damn tape. Sheesh.
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Here is a video breakdown by JT O'Sullivan of Trey Lance's performance against the Texans. Great stuff. The breakdown really shows why Lance is so frustrating. He's making a lot of mistakes but the he's also making some big time plays. Fans are right to be frustrated because Lance isn't there yet.

https://youtu.be/KMz-FH1vsw4

Fans shouldn't be frustrated over a 21 yr old rookie who's played in 2 games since 2019. No one should expect him to be a finished product.

my takeaway from that breakdown is he's doing pretty damn good for a kid that needs reps…a lot of his issues are completely correctable with more time.

I feel like you shouldn't be if you used like a 2nd round pick for the guy. But 3 firsts and a third is the reason I am personally frustrated with Lance at this point in time.

By Frustrating I mean that because he's so basic right now it's hard for the coaches to want to put him out there. He also shows dynamic playmaking at the QB and opens up the field for the receivers with his big arm and legs. Frustrating in that fans want him out there, and I think I do too, but that with Jimmy there playing pretty well it's a hard decision to make. Lance is the upside play.

I think folks quick to criticize really should watch the video first.

Good news is this season is over and Jimmy is already gone. So we get a full year of Lance next year. Time to see what 3 first round picks gets you for a full season. It better be playoffs every year, a couple SB wins and a franchise QB for over a decade.

Hopefully it gets us a lot more than the constant disappointment that $125 million and a 2nd round pick got for us.

Playing in the Super Bowl seemed worth it to me. But I just enjoy watching the niners win and be competitive in the post season. Now we can go back to hoping and praying while struggling to get to .500. Just keep telling ourselves we have a lot of upside and after another year of experience next year might be good.

Came here to say the same. Jimmy got us to a Superbowl, he was worth it. I'm ready for Lance to be the starter, but I will likely never get over how hasty Kyle and Shanny were to blow such a massive amount of draft capital to move up pre draft for an inexperienced project QB. We should have taken whoever was there at 12 or used a single 2nd or 3rd to move up a spot or two to get someone on draft day. I realize that YOU CAN'T JUDGE THE KID AFTER TWO GAMES, but to me, a QB who wasn't able to overtake a so-called below average QB in training camp or when he got a chance to start in week 5 it's already proven to be an over-pay.

Yeah 3 first round picks needs to be for a can't miss guaranteed franchise QB, someone with the Manning name or similar. For a raw project that has little football experience it is a bit silly but holding out hope he lives up to expectations. If it were just your normal first round pick I could see the patience and wait and see approach. But for that cost it better be a Lambo or Ferrari. Time will tell.

Agree with you Reign. I wasn't a fan of the trade or who they picked at the time, due to only starting one year in college. But after seeing him play, it kinda won me over a little, time will tell how good he'll be. One thing is for sure, with the way he played vs Houston, 9ers could trade Jimmy no problem, use that money and already add to a stacked team.....I'm hoping CB and maybe Christian Kirk next year.

Agree. I'm hoping they draft a day three QB with a similar skill set to Trey to develop behind Trey. You can have a guy like Sudfeld be the veteran on the practice squad - if the covid rules are still in effect. Mahomes was pretty set in his second year and my hope is that Trey is along the same path as Mahomes in his development at this point. We shall see next year, but Jimmy will be injured again next year, if the pattern of every other year, he's healthy and the off years, he's injured. Whoever is getting Jimmy is getting a QB made of glass - so to speak - next year.

Odd , isn't it that Trey played 2 games in relief of Jimmy, early on, and then missed 2 weeks of practice due to injury, and one of the injuries was a finger that just recently, folks hoped was okay for him to play. Either we are cursed, or maybe our/Kyle's type of O play is somehow facilitating injury to QBs, RBs, and OLs.

Just an observation. BTW, I hope Jimmy is okay to back Trey up if he gets injured.

Trey's finger injury and Jimmy's can both be traced directly back to poor O line play. I can't think of a type of O that would lead to more finger injuries than others. If anything, our style should cause fewer since we pass the ball less.

I agree, to a certain extent, and the OLine does have primary responsibility in protecting the QB. I think there is a reason Kyle drafted two OLinemen in this years draft, as well as signing some big name free agent OLinemen (Trent Williams, and Alex Mack). So he knows it's an issue, and this year, they have had the depth to overcome a serious injury (Compton for McGlinchy) Unlike in 2019, when 49ers lost Richburg and I think Person started on that line and he was a big weak spot that KC took advantage of. But I think Jimmy's pocket awareness isn't the same as other QB's that can sense the pocket collapsing and (1) have the escape ability - Example: Midget Wilson (2) guys like Aaron Rogers who have that 6th sense to know where the rush is coming from and sidestep or shuffle away from it while throwing. As for Trey, I think Kyle was simply running him too much and he got injured. I think I saw a stat (no link) where he was run 24+ times? That's a lot. Even for a RB.
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Bro, right? What is happening right now? Lol.

To your other posts about his college mechanics, I just watched a bunch of his college throws, much tighter and higher release as you said. Would love to know the story behind the change. Or maybe it was just "jitters" or whatever from being a rookie.

A poster just said...

Originally posted by 49erminion:
probably a manifestation of him trying to improve his mechanics. doesnt happen overnight


Kyle has already mentioned him tightening up/changing up some of his release mechanics (post Texans game). You still wondering?

So in trying to improve, they got worse/uglier? Interesting theory you have.


So "he's trying to throw differently" is not a good enough answer right now and you're still going to wonder what's up. Is this what you're saying?

Who said the bolded? You quoted it so I'm assuming someone actually said this?

Kyle told us he's throwing the ball differently.

You didn't answer the question. Why the delay? Are you truly wondering about this or just trying to needlessly drag it out?

So no one actually said that, you just quoted it to try and make your point stronger. Lol got it.

Kyle said it. He's adjusted his throwing motion since earlier in the season. You were wondering what's up with the change in how some of his passes look.

If Kyle had said "no,....he's throwing the exact same way as he did earlier in the season, as far as I know,".......I could see the reason to be curious.

Lol but if the coach has told you in plain English that Trey's been making modifications MIDSEASON, I see no reason to still be curious about it, as the coach has pretty much answered your curiosity about what (if anything) has changed. It means he's in the lab, he's tinkering, he's toying, and quite naturally even if Kyle never said a word, the work is incomplete.

Are you still curious anyway?

You've now quoted Kyle as saying "throwing it differently" and "making modifications midseason" even though you can't possibly quote him saying either of those things. You're all over the place with this opinion of yours, and it's ridiculous. All because you're butt hurt that a few of us don't like the throwing motion/mechanics from this past game? I mean are you really THAT sensitive?

Only a few people are being true haters of Trey and they are obvious. Throw them out. The people asking about his mechanics seem genuine. Again, just watch his college highlights from 2019 and look how much lower/sidearm his release was this past Sunday. If that is intentional, I'd really like to know why. Because the ball was wobbly as hell and a lower release point makes it easier for the defense to bat the ball down. It simply makes no sense to make that change.


Agree the 1st 15 plays will get much better as Kyle gets more comfortable with Trey
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Originally posted by random49er:
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You've now quoted Kyle as saying "throwing it differently" and "making modifications midseason" even though you can't possibly quote him saying either of those things. You're all over the place with this opinion of yours, and it's ridiculous. All because you're butt hurt that a few of us don't like the throwing motion/mechanics from this past game? I mean are you really THAT sensitive?

Only a few people are being true haters of Trey and they are obvious. Throw them out. The people asking about his mechanics seem genuine. Again, just watch his college highlights from 2019 and look how much lower/sidearm his release was this past Sunday. If that is intentional, I'd really like to know why. Because the ball was wobbly as hell and a lower release point makes it easier for the defense to bat the ball down. It simply makes no sense to make that change.

QBs are adjusting throws to all different types of angles these days,...it's not the 1980's anymore. I wouldnt be too curious about it given that our HC has already admitted he's adjusting some things with his throwing motions midseason.

Also,...there's a difference between a problem and what you perceive as a problem as well. "The wobbly as hell" stuff is an example of that.


His shoe laces, his jersey not fully tucked, the placement of his towel,...lol,....I mean if you're hellbent on making problems out of things, be my guest.

But common sense says if a guy is toying with his release, and will continue to toy with it off of different platforms, I'm not going to expect every pass to look exactly the same. Maybe several years from now.

Again, off-platform throws are welcome to be any type of angle or release that gets the job done. We're asking about clean pocket throws or throws outside the pocket with stable footing and no defenders around. There's no reason to alter one's throwing motion or arm angle for those types of throws.
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Originally posted by Furlow:
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Bro, right? What is happening right now? Lol.

To your other posts about his college mechanics, I just watched a bunch of his college throws, much tighter and higher release as you said. Would love to know the story behind the change. Or maybe it was just "jitters" or whatever from being a rookie.

A poster just said...

Originally posted by 49erminion:
probably a manifestation of him trying to improve his mechanics. doesnt happen overnight


Kyle has already mentioned him tightening up/changing up some of his release mechanics (post Texans game). You still wondering?

So in trying to improve, they got worse/uglier? Interesting theory you have.


So "he's trying to throw differently" is not a good enough answer right now and you're still going to wonder what's up. Is this what you're saying?

Who said the bolded? You quoted it so I'm assuming someone actually said this?

Kyle told us he's throwing the ball differently.

You didn't answer the question. Why the delay? Are you truly wondering about this or just trying to needlessly drag it out?

So no one actually said that, you just quoted it to try and make your point stronger. Lol got it.

Kyle said it. He's adjusted his throwing motion since earlier in the season. You were wondering what's up with the change in how some of his passes look.

If Kyle had said "no,....he's throwing the exact same way as he did earlier in the season, as far as I know,".......I could see the reason to be curious.

Lol but if the coach has told you in plain English that Trey's been making modifications MIDSEASON, I see no reason to still be curious about it, as the coach has pretty much answered your curiosity about what (if anything) has changed. It means he's in the lab, he's tinkering, he's toying, and quite naturally even if Kyle never said a word, the work is incomplete.

Are you still curious anyway?

You've now quoted Kyle as saying "throwing it differently" and "making modifications midseason" even though you can't possibly quote him saying either of those things. You're all over the place with this opinion of yours, and it's ridiculous. All because you're butt hurt that a few of us don't like the throwing motion/mechanics from this past game? I mean are you really THAT sensitive?

Only a few people are being true haters of Trey and they are obvious. Throw them out. The people asking about his mechanics seem genuine. Again, just watch his college highlights from 2019 and look how much lower/sidearm his release was this past Sunday. If that is intentional, I'd really like to know why. Because the ball was wobbly as hell and a lower release point makes it easier for the defense to bat the ball down. It simply makes no sense to make that change.


A real quote, sweet! "Tightened his throwing motion up a bit" (debatable) are MUCH different than random's BS quotes that no one said (except him) "throwing it differently" and "making modifications midseason." And no one with eyes would say that Trey's throwing mechanics were "tighter" on Sunday versus 2020 nor 2019. Just go watch the damn tape. Sheesh.

lol. arguing semantics.
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A real quote, sweet! "Tightened his throwing motion up a bit" (debatable) are MUCH different than random's BS quotes that no one said (except him) "throwing it differently" and "making modifications midseason." And no one with eyes would say that Trey's throwing mechanics were "tighter" on Sunday versus 2020 nor 2019. Just go watch the damn tape. Sheesh.

1. Why are you making it about me instead of your initial curiosity?

2. There's no quotations in your example of a "real quote." He paraphrased just like I did.

3. The original reply was if a guy is tinkering around with his release as a rookie midseason, perfect balls thrown everytime can be seen as an under construction project. Is that reasonable or not?
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Does anyone know why most his passes this game were such wobbly balls. And for the guys who wanna say "that's how he passes" No it isn't. Watch his college highlights. He doesn't throw wobbly balls every pass like he did this game. I'm curious what caused it to happen this one game.

i have no clue

i did notice in college his throwing motion was much tighter though

Ya I'm betting his throwing motion was off for some reason. They may be trying to get him to improve it which is good but he's still figuring it out.

looking at it for what it is overall he did pretty well. I'd be confident wit him going up against the rams who have a more talented defense. But JG10 is our qb that owns the rams so once again we're in a predicament.
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Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
2nd game in the league, nominated for rookie of the week. Bright f**king future, and one of the few 1st round home runs under this regime. To think we have a chance to compete in the playoffs with him with such little experience should excite the hell out of everyone. Forecasting how good he will be next year and how much stronger our team will be with him behind center should make every SF fan elated.

There are always negative ninnies on *every* board, not only just this one. So personally I'm excited, but there will be people that won't be.

I'm excited how the offseason will play out because I fully expect Kyle to start drafting Trey Lance players that will improve and extend his capabilities. Maybe more OLinemen to protect Trey, bigger and faster RB's to help the run game for Trey to lean on, like more of (Sermon and Wilson) who are much bigger backs than Mostert and Brieda. Maybe faster WR's like Goodwin 2.0 or Tyreek Hill 2.0. We shall see.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Again, off-platform throws are welcome to be any type of angle or release that gets the job done. We're asking about clean pocket throws or throws outside the pocket with stable footing and no defenders around. There's no reason to alter one's throwing motion or arm angle for those types of throws.


Oh ok then.
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
I've seen all I needed to see from Trey given the context. The fact that this kid only played one season of FCS football and is able to operate as effectively as he has against an NFL defense says all we need to know about Trey. He is the QB we've been waiting for. We've seen rookies come into this lead and just flat out stink it up. Trey's shortcomings are obvious and is very good news. He doesn't trust his eyes and he's nervous. This will abate with more reps. I say there's nothing to lose by letting him play the rest of the way.

Jimmy's always injured and yet another season may end early because of it. It would be a fitting end to Jimmy's tenure. A good QB that was good enough to win a SB but could never stay healthy. At any rate, giving up what we did for Trey was justified and easier to swallow with yet another Jimmy season-ending injury. Once this kid's processing speeds up and he gets some confidence, Kyles playbook is wide open, and the league is on notice.
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Originally posted by bewdynewkJH38:
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I've seen all I needed to see from Trey given the context. The fact that this kid only played one season of FCS football and is able to operate as effectively as he has against an NFL defense says all we need to know about Trey. He is the QB we've been waiting for. We've seen rookies come into this lead and just flat out stink it up. Trey's shortcomings are obvious and is very good news. He doesn't trust his eyes and he's nervous. This will abate with more reps. I say there's nothing to lose by letting him play the rest of the way.

Jimmy's always injured and yet another season may end early because of it. It would be a fitting end to Jimmy's tenure. A good QB that was good enough to win a SB but could never stay healthy. At any rate, giving up what we did for Trey was justified and easier to swallow with yet another Jimmy season-ending injury. Once this kid's processing speeds up and he gets some confidence, Kyles playbook is wide open, and the league is on notice.

With an arm like treys we need to get at least one burner on this offense
Trey's 116 QB rating was higher than any game Lawrence,Fields, and Z Wilson had this season. And higher than all but 4 of Mac's games. And it was his 2nd career NFL start and 1st in over 2 months.
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