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Why didn't we do a better job defensively against the Ravens?

  • okdkid
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Originally posted by genus49:
I don't give a sh*t where he's ranked on the year. We're talking about that specific play. And FYI since you don't seem to bother watching the games before commenting on them, some "fumbles" are given to the QB on the RB exchange, botched snap...some things that aren't straight up fumbles by the QB.

???

That play is indicative of some of his issues. He held the ball too long on that particular play. Should have thrown it away or just take the sack early. He was basically in the red zone. Have to have awareness.

Why would you even bother posting if you don't care to look at the stats? Can't just post on emotion like this.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by genus49:
Well that certainly explains it. Not sure how you can make a thread without even watching the whole thing.

That fumble wasn't a "gift" it was a situation where Jimmy was trying to tuck the ball away while getting tackled by one player and the other guy came up behind him and punched the ball out.

Here's a thought for next time...watch the game first and THEN make a thread about it?

jg is tied #7 in league for fumbles and tied #4 for fumbles lost.

He's #18 in pass attempts.

I don't give a sh*t where he's ranked on the year. We're talking about that specific play. And FYI since you don't seem to bother watching the games before commenting on them, some "fumbles" are given to the QB on the RB exchange, botched snap...some things that aren't straight up fumbles by the QB.

I didn't see this game before commenting, just the highlights, as i told everyone.

You've never done that?

How can anyone comment on any game on tv anyway, if they don't watch all22?

That's pretty stupid, but everyone does it.

And as far as that specific play is concerned, it struck me as a normal jimmy g play that we can expect from time to time.

Which his stats bear out.
  • thl408
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Let's keep the topic on the defense since that's why the thread was created.
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
we gave up 178 yards on the ground, and you are complaining that I am complaining? Weird.

As I said in my op, we kept Baltimore below their averages. That's great.

But, we didn't really stop them either.

Hopefully the coaching staff will pay more attention to that than you are willing to.

What I'm saying is you didn't even watch the game and looked at the stat sheet to conclude our defense played poorly imo that a trash take.

Here are some stats...

SF held them to 20 pts...Baltimore had been steamrolling teams at 36 pts per game (since they started their winning streak) and had a ridiculous point differential of +149 during that streak Imo this is actually pretty remarkable...especially on a 1 pm game cross-country, In a monsoon, Without one of our best pass rushers/RB/LT.

So like most people in this thread we disagree with your take...go watch the game.
  • cciowa
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Originally posted by thl408:
Let's keep the topic on the defense since that's why the thread was created.

i think both defenses were very good. we had to many mistakes and sure we let jackson get 100 yards but big players make big plays and he did at the end of the game. these were the two best teams in the nfl before kickoff and they still are, if the saints whup us then i may think different but we saw the team respond after the hawk game,
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
jg is tied #7 in league for fumbles and tied #4 for fumbles lost.

He's #18 in pass attempts.

He's also 6th in the NFL in completion %, 8th in TD (even though he's 18th in passing attempts with two monsoon games), and 8th Y/A.

We can throw stats up to project a player positively or negatively, HENCE why you watch the game and don't conclude something being good/bad based on stats alone.
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
I didn't see this game before commenting, just the highlights, as i told everyone.

You've never done that?

How can anyone comment on any game on tv anyway, if they don't watch all22?

That's pretty stupid, but everyone does it.

And as far as that specific play is concerned, it struck me as a normal jimmy g play that we can expect from time to time.

Which his stats bear out.

I can definitely say I have not. You know why? So I don't look like an idiot when talking about somethign I didn't actually see.

And you can certainly comment on what you saw from the broadcast. I tend to say "i have to rewatch the coaches film to see what happened but..." and then give my take.

You literally made a call out thread for the defense without seeing the game. A game where we held the juggernaut Ravens offense to their lowest point total this season and their 2nd worst yardage total.
I thought the defense played f**king lights out. We held the leagues best offense, who had trampled the rams, patriots, and Seahawks, to 20 points! If we hadn't fumbled in our own redzone-ish we may have held them to less.

Against an offense like that, you have to pick your poison. We picked Lamar. We decided to try to stuff Ingram. Initially I thought that was odd, but given the proper context of how easily teams have been running up our gut, I think it was the right call. Could you imagine if we decided to sell out against Lamar?? Ingram would have crushed us up the middle, and once we decided to try to slow him down, Lamar would get going.

Again, defense played at a very high level. Loved the hits on Lamar, even the late ones. With as much protection as QBs have now, he has a f**king crazy unfair advantage.

Defense played great. Lock the thread
Originally posted by NYniner85:
What I'm saying is you didn't even watch the game and looked at the stat sheet to conclude our defense played poorly imo that a trash take.

Here are some stats...

SF held them to 20 pts...Baltimore had been steamrolling teams at 36 pts per game (since they started their winning streak) and had a ridiculous point differential of +149 during that streak Imo this is actually pretty remarkable...especially on a 1 pm game cross-country, In a monsoon, Without one of our best pass rushers/RB/LT.

So like most people in this thread we disagree with your take...go watch the game.

I saw the highlights, read the stats, and was alarmed.

I agree with you that we did a much better job against Baltimore than anyone else in the last 6 weeks.

Problem is, it's not good enough.

Our D has to do better to beat them.

And I'm pretty sure they can once they correct the mistakes of this game.

We can't rely on our offense to be perfect. they won't be.

They don't quite have the people running shanny's scheme's.
  • okdkid
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
jg is tied #7 in league for fumbles and tied #4 for fumbles lost.

He's #18 in pass attempts.

He's also 6th in the NFL in completion %, 8th in TD (even though he's 18th in passing attempts with two monsoon games), and 8th Y/A.

We can throw stats up to project a player positively or negatively, HENCE why you watch the game and don't conclude something being good/bad based on stats alone.

But he wasn't falsely using stats. He said Garoppolo has an issue with ball security and he objectively used stats to reinforce that opinion. Nothing about what he posted was misleading, providing a false narrative or disingenuous in any way.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Giving up 180 yards on the ground is not acceptable. Hope that doesnt become our standard for playing baltimore.

Disappointed in 1 sack in 22 drop backs as well. We average 3 for that number of drop backs.

It is when they only throw for 100 yards.
Originally posted by cciowa:
i think both defenses were very good. we had to many mistakes and sure we let jackson get 100 yards but big players make big plays and he did at the end of the game. these were the two best teams in the nfl before kickoff and they still are, if the saints whup us then i may think different but we saw the team respond after the hawk game,

I think SF bit on the option way too much in the 1st half. There were times when AA/Bosa had the RB wrapped up at the mesh point, but Lamar kept it and took off. They cleaned it up a little in the 2nd half.

IMO you need to let him read that as a handoff. Let the RBs try to beat you up the middle vs him getting put on the edge for 15+...he wants to get our DE off the edge for a free run. He's gonna beat any LB/DB one on one. Especially in the rain.

I thought overall he was underwhelming as a passer and I think as more film comes out he will get exposed.

Their D isn't anything special. They've had the luxury of playing with a massive lead most games.

This was a good learning experience. I'm expecting a angry SF team vs NO
Originally posted by okdkid:
But he wasn't falsely using stats. He said Garoppolo has an issue with ball security and he objectively used stats to reinforce that opinion. Nothing about what he posted was misleading, providing a false narrative or disingenuous in any way.

It's the overall subject of the thread. Regarding using stats to lead to our defense playing like s**t yesterday.

My point wirh JG is you can find any sort of stat to backup what you want to push and precisely why you shouldn't (solely) use it to proclaim if something is good/bad. Watch the game.

FWIW I don't think JG played very well yesterday.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Dec 2, 2019 at 10:11 AM ]
4. Our D played a very solid game.

Look, Jackson passed for only 105 yards (even with us focusing on the run and people slipping all day)...and ran for 101 yards. Thats only 206 total yards. If Jimmy, Goff, Rodgers, etc PASS for 206 yards, they get criticized for playing a crappy game. Yeah, it would have been nice to come out with a 'W' but the defense played a very good game. Shoot Ingram didn't even have 60 yards.
Originally posted by genus49:
I can definitely say I have not. You know why? So I don't look like an idiot when talking about somethign I didn't actually see.

And you can certainly comment on what you saw from the broadcast. I tend to say "i have to rewatch the coaches film to see what happened but..." and then give my take.

You literally made a call out thread for the defense without seeing the game. A game where we held the juggernaut Ravens offense to their lowest point total this season and their 2nd worst yardage total.

I'll look for that in your posts. Not trying to fool anyone, I put it in my op that I didn't see the game.

Anyway, I'll watch the game and if it gives me a totally different take I'll post it here.

I did see the Jackson highlights, and it looked like we didn't do very well with our plan or execution.

I didn't expect that after all the tape/knowledge we have on roman.

We win or lose based on our d so we need to get it fixed.
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