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SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS at BALTIMORE RAVENS - 2019 Game 12

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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Kyzen:
Originally posted by thl408:
The all22 isn't available yet, but here's the player tracking data from that 4th & 1 play. I've read some say that Kittle was open. I'm not so sure about that. It's close and from the tv broadcast you can see Earl Thomas jump the route. It would have been close.
fyi the pass play was not the original playcall. They checked into it after seeing BAL's presnap alignment. Kyle said this in his presser.
#29 is Earl Thomas

Should have went to Sanders to the outside.

Just makes the 4th and short call even worse.

There was nowhere to throw that ball. Defense easily reads Kittle over the middle and gets their hands up.

Maybe would of gotten it if the ball came out quick. Almost as soon as the ball was snapped. But I'm guessing the play wasn't setup for that.
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, this is the importance of knowing the flow of the game. Like Gore or Lynch in the Superbowl, you ride what's working esp. when the defense is on its heal and struggling stopping the run. Kyle seems stubborn around 3 or so topics and this may be one of them.

what If he runs it into a wall doesn't get a 1st down we'd all be complaining about why he ran it vs a Baltimore team stacking the box.

It was the proper call just probably not the right pass play.

It was a great defensive play similar to the one vs Seattle (PBU vs Deebo)

No way!!

You go with the hot hand, is just common sense. You have Mostert who ran for 146 yards and over 7 yards per play who they couldn't stop to save their lives and you want to call for a pass play??!! Are you kidding me?!!

If your stance is correct, then no one has the right to laugh at Pete Carroll for calling for Russell Wilson to throw at the 1 yard line instead of running Beast Mode when they lost the Super Bowl, period!!
The pass play call on 4th and 1 didn't bothered me that much. I think it was the right call with 9 defenders in the box. I just wished we ran a playaction with sure handed Juice leaking out for a quick pass or any quick playaction play. But that's just me.
Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
So an offense that has over 200 yards per game rushing the ball and that is the reason they are a top offense in the league, with a QB that can exploit defenses that cant react as quickly due to the elements because of his running ability (and being protected by refs) is at a disadvantage when relegated to their offensive strength by those elements. Got it!

in good weather, there is no question that the Ravens would have beaten the Niners by at least two TD's.
Originally posted by AustinNiner:
F the ravens in the goat ass

We gonna beat your ass soon

No, you really are not. F U and those dandy boys from San Fran that actually thought they would beat the Ravens, a team that owns the niners down to their miserable pathetic cuck souls.
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
The pass play call on 4th and 1 didn't bothered me that much. I think it was the right call with 9 defenders in the box. I just wished we ran a playaction with sure handed Juice leaking out for a quick pass or any quick playaction play. But that's just me.

That's probably the same thing Kyle was thinking when he said he wish he called a better play
Originally posted by Redandgoldsf:
That's probably the same thing Kyle was thinking when he said he wish he called a better play

Rewatching this play makes it look even worse than it did irl.

Im glad shanny admitted his fault.

The timing of it all was what sucked.

Damn. Im still bitter. I just have this little voice in the back of my head telling me that we're in for another "what if" season.
[ Edited by TyCore on Dec 2, 2019 at 8:52 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
You're right. Zero chance of Kittle getting this.


Two quick things here as to why I hate pass here like x1000. We need this to win the game. As it has been stated, (1) shotgun tips our hand it's going to be a pass and (2) we're just not that good at pass pro. So on a play we must have to win the game, a pass call to me makes little sense for 4th and 1 yard. What I would expect from Kyle is if we're going to tip our hand to pass, it's a shovel pass to Juice or Mostert in space where they look like they're blocking but not. Or we it's a HB delay again for 1 yard. I have way more confidence in Richburg, Person and even Tomlinson to get Mostert or Juice one yard than I have in them being effective pass protectors AND Kittle (who had been shut down almost all game) the perfect route AND Jimmy having enough time to find another receiver AND the OL keeping pass lanes open AND the receiver completing the pass (we've had issues with drops) AND/OR a PI during the end of the 4th being called in our favor.

I guess for me if it's one yard I absolutely need, I'm going to try something more aligned with our strengths as a offense than what we called.

This is twice now in two huge games. Whether we win out is important but Kyle has to remember this because this is how teams are get bounced out of the playoffs.
Originally posted by Rascal:
No way!!

You go with the hot hand, is just common sense. You have Mostert who ran for 146 yards and over 7 yards per play who they couldn't stop to save their lives and you want to call for a pass play??!! Are you kidding me?!!

If your stance is correct, then no one has the right to laugh at Pete Carroll for calling for Russell Wilson to throw at the 1 yard line instead of running Beast Mode when they lost the Super Bowl, period!!

Should be laughing at the awful throw more than anything.
So, shanny has shown the league how to stifle the ravens. It'll be interesting to see how other coaches build on shanny's approach to the Lamar dilemma.

If others are able to replicate or improve on the 49ers effort, will Lamar ultimately have to become a "near normal" qb and will that frustrate him too much that he loses his edge to the point of becoming error prone?

Originally posted by Who-is-Hayne:
So, shanny has shown the league how to stifle the ravens. It'll be interesting to see how other coaches build on shanny's approach to the Lamar dilemma.

If others are able to replicate or improve on the 49ers effort, will Lamar ultimately have to become a "near normal" qb and will that frustrate him too much that he loses his edge to the point of becoming error prone?

This. Although Hoodie has some offensive issues of his own to solve.
Originally posted by Rascal:
No way!!

You go with the hot hand, is just common sense. You have Mostert who ran for 146 yards and over 7 yards per play who they couldn't stop to save their lives and you want to call for a pass play??!! Are you kidding me?!!

If your stance is correct, then no one has the right to laugh at Pete Carroll for calling for Russell Wilson to throw at the 1 yard line instead of running Beast Mode when they lost the Super Bowl, period!!

No way what? They were bringing the heat on the run and blitzing. Passing was the proper call just not the proper pass play (no one got open). End of the day it was just a good defensive play. It's crazy that people can't accept that and always need to feel the need to blame it on one one.

And bringing up that play in the super bowl isn't close to the same. Horrible take!

They were in the RZ (which is harder to throw because of the short field) AND you seem to have forgotten it was ONLY 2nd down! They had one TO as well.

Nice try but you're wrong trying to bring in that play
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Dec 3, 2019 at 10:03 AM ]
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Kittle definitely wasn't open. It's not like he can't make a contested catch, but ET is all over this route. ET might have gotten there early but it's not blatant pass interference imo, and he's a seasoned vet that might get the no call similar to how Sherman gets no calls.
Originally posted by thl408:
Kittle definitely wasn't open. It's not like he can't make a contested catch, but ET is all over this route. ET might have gotten there early but it's not blatant pass interference imo, and he's a seasoned vet that might get the no call similar to how Sherman gets no calls.

Yeah no one was open. Good defensive play and Kyle could have dialed up something better.

Kittle was held all game and I can't believe the number of no-calls for Baltimore (their OL/TEs we're holding a ton as well).
Originally posted by BullyBall:
No, you really are not. F U and those dandy boys from San Fran that actually thought they would beat the Ravens, a team that owns the niners down to their miserable pathetic cuck souls.

Mods can we ban this guy?

Can you initiate an auto ban on anyone using the word "cuck"?
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