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Originally posted by LayTheWoodall:
No way the 2019 49ers lose to a mediocre Giants squad and go 1/13 on 3rd down, with that 1 being a meaningless conversion as time expired in regulation.

That game will be the ultimate legacy of that 2011 offense. Moving the ball was like pulling teeth

God bless Alex Smith, but his only weapon was VD. That receiving corps was awful.
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Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by LayTheWoodall:
No way the 2019 49ers lose to a mediocre Giants squad and go 1/13 on 3rd down, with that 1 being a meaningless conversion as time expired in regulation.

That game will be the ultimate legacy of that 2011 offense. Moving the ball was like pulling teeth

God bless Alex Smith, but his only weapon was VD. That receiving corps was awful.

Crab before the achilles tear was better than Alex made us think he is. Just see his last 10 games with Kap in 2012.

So he had Crab/Delanie/VD, with Gore and Hunter out of the backfield. Same core (minus Hunter) that put up 30+ ppg in the 2012 playoffs. God bless VD, Delanie, and pre achilles tear Crab, but their QB held their passing offense back.
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Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by LayTheWoodall:
No way the 2019 49ers lose to a mediocre Giants squad and go 1/13 on 3rd down, with that 1 being a meaningless conversion as time expired in regulation.

That game will be the ultimate legacy of that 2011 offense. Moving the ball was like pulling teeth

God bless Alex Smith, but his only weapon was VD. That receiving corps was awful.

Agree. And it got just even worse as Baalkes drafts continued to stink.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by LayTheWoodall:
No way the 2019 49ers lose to a mediocre Giants squad and go 1/13 on 3rd down, with that 1 being a meaningless conversion as time expired in regulation.

That game will be the ultimate legacy of that 2011 offense. Moving the ball was like pulling teeth

God bless Alex Smith, but his only weapon was VD. That receiving corps was awful.

Agree. And it got just even worse as Baalkes drafts continued to stink.

They had Brett Swain in the NFCCG
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Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by LayTheWoodall:
No way the 2019 49ers lose to a mediocre Giants squad and go 1/13 on 3rd down, with that 1 being a meaningless conversion as time expired in regulation.

That game will be the ultimate legacy of that 2011 offense. Moving the ball was like pulling teeth

God bless Alex Smith, but his only weapon was VD. That receiving corps was awful.

Agree. And it got just even worse as Baalkes drafts continued to stink.

They had Brett Swain in the NFCCG



Conversely this 2019 front office can draft pretty well. Between Baalke and John Lynch. Its john lynch hands down that's better drafter than Baalke. Outside of (I think) 2011, Baalkes drafts stank. Outside of Solomon and Reuben, (2017 draft) John's drafting has been good to great.
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
They had Brett Swain in the NFCCG

And Chad Hall in the next NFCCG

But nobody remembers because Kap used VD/Walker/pre achilles Crab the way an NFL QB should and the offense was awesome
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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by LayTheWoodall:
No way the 2019 49ers lose to a mediocre Giants squad and go 1/13 on 3rd down, with that 1 being a meaningless conversion as time expired in regulation.

That game will be the ultimate legacy of that 2011 offense. Moving the ball was like pulling teeth

God bless Alex Smith, but his only weapon was VD. That receiving corps was awful.

Agree. And it got just even worse as Baalkes drafts continued to stink.

They had Brett Swain in the NFCCG



Conversely this 2019 front office can draft pretty well. Between Baalke and John Lynch. Its john lynch hands down that's better drafter than Baalke. Outside of (I think) 2011, Baalkes drafts stank. Outside of Solomon and Reuben, (2017 draft) John's drafting has been good to great.

Kyle wanted Kamara really bad then John got him to trade that pick to the Saints.

I'm fine with the Foster pick. Dude has the talent of a superstar. It was worth taking that chance. Solly though was just a dumb pick in everyway. We already have two first rounders playing his position.
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
And Chad Hall in the next NFCCG

But nobody remembers because Kap used VD/Walker/pre achilles Crab the way an NFL QB should and the offense was awesome

Would have been better if SEA didn't intentionally take out Mario Manningham at the knees
Originally posted by All22:
Kyle wanted Kamara really bad then John got him to trade that pick to the Saints.

I'm fine with the Foster pick. Dude has the talent of a superstar. It was worth taking that chance. Solly though was just a dumb pick in everyway. We already have two first rounders playing his position.

Reuben Foster has worked out we'd not have needed Kwon today
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Originally posted by All22:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by LayTheWoodall:
No way the 2019 49ers lose to a mediocre Giants squad and go 1/13 on 3rd down, with that 1 being a meaningless conversion as time expired in regulation.

That game will be the ultimate legacy of that 2011 offense. Moving the ball was like pulling teeth

God bless Alex Smith, but his only weapon was VD. That receiving corps was awful.

Agree. And it got just even worse as Baalkes drafts continued to stink.

They had Brett Swain in the NFCCG



Conversely this 2019 front office can draft pretty well. Between Baalke and John Lynch. Its john lynch hands down that's better drafter than Baalke. Outside of (I think) 2011, Baalkes drafts stank. Outside of Solomon and Reuben, (2017 draft) John's drafting has been good to great.

Kyle wanted Kamara really bad then John got him to trade that pick to the Saints.

I'm fine with the Foster pick. Dude has the talent of a superstar. It was worth taking that chance. Solly though was just a dumb pick in everyway. We already have two first rounders playing his position.

I think Solly and Reuben were rookie mistakes. Not a problem when you get Bosa, Greenlaw, and a ton of DLinemen late that can pass rush (julian taylor for example). John and company learned from thier mistakes. Baalke just never learned and kept making the same mistakes over and over. I mean his drafts stank.
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Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by All22:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by LayTheWoodall:
No way the 2019 49ers lose to a mediocre Giants squad and go 1/13 on 3rd down, with that 1 being a meaningless conversion as time expired in regulation.

That game will be the ultimate legacy of that 2011 offense. Moving the ball was like pulling teeth

God bless Alex Smith, but his only weapon was VD. That receiving corps was awful.

Agree. And it got just even worse as Baalkes drafts continued to stink.

They had Brett Swain in the NFCCG



Conversely this 2019 front office can draft pretty well. Between Baalke and John Lynch. Its john lynch hands down that's better drafter than Baalke. Outside of (I think) 2011, Baalkes drafts stank. Outside of Solomon and Reuben, (2017 draft) John's drafting has been good to great.

Kyle wanted Kamara really bad then John got him to trade that pick to the Saints.

I'm fine with the Foster pick. Dude has the talent of a superstar. It was worth taking that chance. Solly though was just a dumb pick in everyway. We already have two first rounders playing his position.

I think Solly and Reuben were rookie mistakes. Not a problem when you get Bosa, Greenlaw, and a ton of DLinemen late that can pass rush (julian taylor for example). John and company learned from thier mistakes. Baalke just never learned and kept making the same mistakes over and over. I mean his drafts stank.

REALLY, the difference between the GMs is the fact that Baalke looked at the measurements while Lynch trusted what he SAW... Baalke also felt that he can replace any veterans who was asking for too much money with a draft pick...
Originally posted by 49er4lyfe8:
It's a tough one. 2011 Defense was more complete in my opinion. Yes, the secondary gave up big plays but they made opposing offenses think twice when going across the middle. LBs and DL go to 2011 for sure. On offense, QB goes to 2019. RB is obvious, that goes to the living legend. WRs go to 2019 for sure. TE I will give the slight edge to Kittle. Yes VD was soft at times but that guy was a freak of nature. With today's rules and his speed, imagine what he could do today in his prime. He had captain check down in 2011 in a simple run first offense.

2011's D-line over Armstead, buckner, bosa, and Ford?

We had Justin Smith and Aldon. yeah, they were good but that was the only part of the d-line that stood out. we have 4/5 1st rounders on our D-line now. completely disagree on that one.
Originally posted by Jiks:
2011 was more talented 2019 is better coached

could not disagree more. we have so many playmakers with speed. the talent our DEPTH has if anything. but that could also be better coaching instead
Originally posted by Ark49er:
Have to remember that Crabtree was the go to WR for the 2011 team. Unfortunately for that team, Sherman plays for the 2019 team and we know how that matchup will go. Also Shannahan could expose the 2011 LB Corp in pass coverage. Now the key is what would be the rules. Would it be the rules of 2011 or 2019? If it's 2011 where you could still knock the hell out of guy going over the middle then the 2019 team might have some problems. Jimmy Garoppolo is a middle of the field passer so Kittle, Sanders, and Samuels might all get knocked out of the game by the 2011 team's safeties. If it's the current rules then the 2011 team really has little chance of beating this season 49ers team. The team speed would kill Harbaugh's team.

that's kinda what im thinking. agreed about the rules stuff.
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
Originally posted by Jiks:
2011 was more talented 2019 is better coached

could not disagree more. we have so many playmakers with speed. the talent our DEPTH has if anything. but that could also be better coaching instead

Eh I am with Jiks. They had more talent at most Defensive positions and a better O-line in 2011. Skill players might be a push or even a slight edge to today, but not by a lot. The coaching then I think was slightly better on D, but on offense it is light years ahead, like there is no comparison. I think todays team beats 2011 8 times out of ten just because of Shanny and Jimmy G vs Roman and Kap is a slaughter. But the rest of it is much closer.
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