Coaches Film Analysis: 2019 Season

Originally posted by thl408:

And yeah how did Sherman know to step in front of the route? Did he know Mayfield can't get enough strength behind the throw? He pretty much jumped the route knowing Mayfield couldn't put power to throw it over the top.

I wonder if it was a case of sherman knowing they knew had outside leverage. Knowing that, the over the top throw was not going to happen, so he gave up his outside leverage to get to where he knew the ball was going.

The film analysis makes it hard to argue against. Nice work JonnyDel

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:


I'm posting the 2nd video I did yesterday first because I have finally fixed the audio on the Breida play and am uploading it to YT now.

Well done here jd. I was going to show this but you nailed it. Mills vs Quarters. This is the play that CLE got the look they wanted and if Mayfield has time and space to step into this throw, it's a good route combination against Quarters. Too bad Bosa had to ruin it.

And yeah how did Sherman know to step in front of the route? Did he know Mayfield can't get enough strength behind the throw? He pretty much jumped the route knowing Mayfield couldn't put power to throw it over the top.

Originally posted by jdt84_2:
I wonder if it was a case of sherman knowing they knew had outside leverage. Knowing that, the over the top throw was not going to happen, so he gave up his outside leverage to get to where he knew the ball was going.

did you guys not watch Sherman's press conference? he said something along the lines of he read the route, saw the pressure getting to mayfield and knew or saw him throwing off of his back foot. so he wouldnt have been able to get enough air under it

Originally posted by NCommand:

This absolutely sums it up for me. I never could have anticipated this coming into the season esp. for Kyle given his history of OZ and intermediate passing game. He's either evolving his own philosophy here or has been waiting for the chance to be in total control to unleash his running game in a fashion we've only seen him do in the passing game. Wow.

And like you said...once he marries this varied running game with his passing game, I mean, sky really is the limit.

I think it might just be he is getting the players he wants. Smart, athletic guys who can run more than 1 scheme. And the 3 schemes are so counter to each other.

They could not be a power run offense, but because the defense cant play against the power scheme, the players can win their power matchups.

Also i think the big key is kittle and juice. They are so good at selling what they need to sell.

Then you have goodwin, if the coverage hesitates in anyway to their assignment it is a likely house call. So that keeps the corner and safety from jumping in on the running plays.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

did you guys not watch Sherman's press conference? he said something along the lines of he read the route, saw the pressure getting to mayfield and knew or saw him throwing off of his back foot. so he wouldnt have been able to get enough air under it

I am not buying that. A sailing overthrow is just as likely as an underthrow in that scenerio.

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
did you guys not watch Sherman's press conference? he said something along the lines of he read the route, saw the pressure getting to mayfield and knew or saw him throwing off of his back foot. so he wouldnt have been able to get enough air under it

I am not buying that. A sailing overthrow is just as likely as an underthrow in that scenerio.

he under threw the ball due to throwing off of his back foot with pressure crashing down on him. got something against sherman and his word now? lol

I assumed he knew it was an inside throw because an out route would not have matched the routes the other players were running. When the first player broke inside, Sherman knew his player route would break inside too (is it called a level concept? two in routes at different depths). You could argue that is the drawback of these standard zone busting routes. Look for teams to test Sherman in the future by having his guy run a route that doesn't help the rest of the routes being run.

Originally posted by fryet:
I assumed he knew it was an inside throw because an out route would not have matched the routes the other players were running. When the first player broke inside, Sherman knew his player route would break inside too (is it called a level concept? two in routes at different depths). You could argue that is the drawback of these standard zone busting routes. Look for teams to test Sherman in the future by having his guy run a route that doesn't help the rest of the routes being run.

I mentioned it in the video that it's a "mills" concept. A vertical stretch of the safety, ideal against cover 2 or cover 4. Sherman saw in the in cutting route, with no other in breaking route from the other side so must have known it was going to be a vertical stretch.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

he under threw the ball due to throwing off of his back foot with pressure crashing down on him. got something against sherman and his word now? lol

If that is his actual reasoning, yes. There was no guarantee that was going to be a back foot throw when he did the route jump, certainly not when he decided to do it. And back foot throws are not 100% underthrows.


Whereas, in seattle he always talked about knowing what the offense was able to do for route combos, and what he had beat just by the play calls.

In this situation, a deep sideline route was beat by pressure and outside leverage. An in breaking route was the only threat to him and the defense, and the route by the slot WR told him that was what was coming.

Now knowing all of that, you also know the throw is going to be "underthrown" due to his outside deep coverage. Throwing a deep post over the top in that situation would be stupid. Meanwhile a low throw leading the WR to the sideline is a great throw.

So sherman knowing all that, switched his leverage, taking away the routes he knew were coming.



Sherman is not stupid he would not give up a TD by counting on a bad throw.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

I'm posting the 2nd video I did yesterday first because I have finally fixed the audio on the Breida play and am uploading it to YT now.

Well done here jd. I was going to show this but you nailed it. Mills vs Quarters. This is the play that CLE got the look they wanted and if Mayfield has time and space to step into this throw, it's a good route combination against Quarters. Too bad Bosa had to ruin it.

And yeah how did Sherman know to step in front of the route? Did he know Mayfield can't get enough strength behind the throw? He pretty much jumped the route knowing Mayfield couldn't put power to throw it over the top.

Seriously big mahalos to thl and jd for these threads! We all may be beefing in other threads but these make us all hold hands skipping and singing kumbaya cause we all love the Niners end of day and you guys take the time out of your lives to provide all of this for us 🤙

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
he under threw the ball due to throwing off of his back foot with pressure crashing down on him. got something against sherman and his word now? lol

If that is his actual reasoning, yes. There was no guarantee that was going to be a back foot throw when he did the route jump, certainly not when he decided to do it. And back foot throws are not 100% underthrows.

Whereas, in seattle he always talked about knowing what the offense was able to do for route combos, and what he had beat just by the play calls.

In this situation, a deep sideline route was beat by pressure and outside leverage. An in breaking route was the only threat to him and the defense, and the route by the slot WR told him that was what was coming.

Now knowing all of that, you also know the throw is going to be "underthrown" due to his outside deep coverage. Throwing a deep post over the top in that situation would be stupid. Meanwhile a low throw leading the WR to the sideline is a great throw.

So sherman knowing all that, switched his leverage, taking away the routes he knew were coming.

Sherman is not stupid he would not give up a TD by counting on a bad throw.

oh for god's sake, he knows more than you do. just watch it your self.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjdfCOm4yVo&feature=player_embedded

first question. he answers it.

Originally posted by fryet:
I assumed he knew it was an inside throw because an out route would not have matched the routes the other players were running. When the first player broke inside, Sherman knew his player route would break inside too (is it called a level concept? two in routes at different depths). You could argue that is the drawback of these standard zone busting routes. Look for teams to test Sherman in the future by having his guy run a route that doesn't help the rest of the routes being run.

I don't think it was Levels. I think they were running Mills, which is a known Quarters buster. The WR Sherman was covering broke to the Post, so he was going deep. But Sherman knew, I guess from watching the backfield, that Mayfield would not be able to get enough muscle on the throw, wasn't scared of getting beat deep, and broke underneath the WR instead of running vertical with the WR. One thing Sherman is really good at is watching the backfield/QB while also watching the WR using peripheral vision.

I slowed down the gif when Mayfield releases the ball. Sherman is already breaking underneath the route before there is any way to possibly judge from the flight of the ball that it is underthrown. It's like a 6th sense.

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by NCommand:

This absolutely sums it up for me. I never could have anticipated this coming into the season esp. for Kyle given his history of OZ and intermediate passing game. He's either evolving his own philosophy here or has been waiting for the chance to be in total control to unleash his running game in a fashion we've only seen him do in the passing game. Wow.

And like you said...once he marries this varied running game with his passing game, I mean, sky really is the limit.

I think it might just be he is getting the players he wants. Smart, athletic guys who can run more than 1 scheme. And the 3 schemes are so counter to each other.

They could not be a power run offense, but because the defense cant play against the power scheme, the players can win their power matchups.

Also i think the big key is kittle and juice. They are so good at selling what they need to sell.

Then you have goodwin, if the coverage hesitates in anyway to their assignment it is a likely house call. So that keeps the corner and safety from jumping in on the running plays.

Yeah, in the off season, he thought he'd have Coleman, Breida, McKinnon, Juice, Kittle and physical blockers in Deebo and Hurd later with Goodwin already good and Pettis trying out at the Z...same 5 OL. He just went dark for a few months and emerged with a whole new philosophy and sophistication with the run game. If anyone told you we'd have 800 yards rushing through four games in August, we'd probably laugh.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by fryet:
I assumed he knew it was an inside throw because an out route would not have matched the routes the other players were running. When the first player broke inside, Sherman knew his player route would break inside too (is it called a level concept? two in routes at different depths). You could argue that is the drawback of these standard zone busting routes. Look for teams to test Sherman in the future by having his guy run a route that doesn't help the rest of the routes being run.

I don't think it was Levels. I think they were running Mills, which is a known Quarters buster. The WR Sherman was covering broke to the Post, so he was going deep. But Sherman knew, I guess from watching the backfield, that Mayfield would not be able to get enough muscle on the throw, wasn't scared of getting beat deep, and broke underneath the WR instead of running vertical with the WR. One thing Sherman is really good at is watching the backfield/QB while also watching the WR using peripheral vision.

I slowed down the gif when Mayfield releases the ball. Sherman is already breaking underneath the route before there is any way to possibly judge from the flight of the ball that it is underthrown. It's like a 6th sense.

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

he read it. like he said in his press conference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjdfCOm4yVo&feature=player_embedded

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

oh for god's sake, he knows more than you do. just watch it your self.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjdfCOm4yVo&feature=player_embedded

first question. he answers it.

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Dude he said exactly what i was saying. He was not banking on a bad throw. He knew what the route was, he jumped it, and baker almost beat him by putting air under it.

He even said, if they ran the play on time it would have been an easier interception.