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Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
That or Goodwin breaking back in. Hard to say on this one. There was obviously something wrong here.
My money is on Goodwin. Looks like Kittle had a safety watching him over the top.
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:Kyle be like "you better make the right throw next time..... MULLENS IS RIGHT THERE!!" points fingers
Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:
Also something people also missed, Tampa put their best corner on Coleman when he was split out wide. Just something to watch for the rest of the season if teams continue to do that.
Originally posted by Heroism:It was zone.
Originally posted by Heroism:yo thl, did you happen to chart the numbers of plays from the gun vs under center? I haven't charted them myself, but it ostensibly appeared that Kyle was dialing up more plays from shotgun this season than normal. And the lack of OZ+PA with Jimmy is really glaring. It's been something I've noticed since the Broncos preseason game. It just seems really weird for Kyle to deviate from the foundation of his offense.
Not sure how accurate this number is:
Jimmy Garoppolo attempted only three bootleg roll-out passes and lined up in the shotgun 70.4 percent of the time Week 1. Extremely uncharacteristic play-calling from Kyle Shanahan.
— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) September 13, 2019
Originally posted by Niners816:[center]2008 - Houston OC
Yards- 382 ypg
Pass- 267 ypg
Rush- 115 ypg
Ratio- 58%pass/42%rush
TD-int ratio- 21-20
Rush Td- 16
First downs-340
PF - 366
Comp%- 66.1%
Yards per pass- 7.3
Yards per rush- 4.3
QB rate- 88.4
Pass attempts in the gun%- 16.3%
Catch distribution
WR1 - 31.3%
TE1 - 19.1
WR2 - 16.3
HB1 - 13.6
WR3- 5.2
2009 - Houston OC
Yards- 383 ypg
Pass- 291 ypg
Rush- 92 ypg
Ratio- 59%pass/41%rush
Td-int ratio- 29-17
Rush td- 13
First downs- 340
PF- 388
Comp%- 67.3%
Yards per pass- 7.5
Yards per rush- 3.5
QB rate- 96.3
Pass attempts in the gun%- 29.7%
Catch distribution
WR1 - 25.3%
WR2 - 13.3
HB1 - 11.0
TE1 - 10.0
WR3 -9.5
2010 - Washington OC
Yards- 337 ypg
Pass- 246 ypg
Rush- 91 ypg
Ratio- 65%pass/35%rush
Td-int ratio- 21-19
Rush td- 9
First downs- 295
PF- 302
Comp%- 57.7%
Yards per pass- 6.0
Yards per rush- 4.2
QB rate- 78.0
Pass attempts in the gun%- 33.1%
Catch distribution
WR1 - 26.6%
TE1 - 22.1
WR2 - 12.6
HB1 - 11.2
TE2 -6.0
2011 - Washington OC
Yards- 337 ypg
Pass- 236 ypg
Rush- 101 ypg
Ratio- 61%pass/39%rush
Td-int ratio- 19-24
Rush td- 8
First downs- 312
PF- 288
Comp%- 58.5%
Yards per pass- 6.0
Yards per rush- 4.0
QB rate- 73.3
Pass attempts in the gun%- 47.5%
Catch distribution
WR1 - 19.7%
TE1 - 17.1
HB1 - 14.1
WR2 - 13.3
WR3 -6.4
2012 - Washington OC
Yards- 383 ypg
Pass- 214 ypg
Rush- 169 ypg
Ratio- 48%pass/52%rush
Td-int ratio- 24-8
Rush td- 22
First downs- 341
PF- 436
Comp%- 65.8%
Yards per pass- 7.2
Yards per rush- 5.2
QB rate- 102.1
Pass attempts in the gun%- 71.7%
Catch distribution
WR1 - 16.5%
WR2 - 15.1
WR3 - 14.1
WR4 - 13.1
TE1 -8.6
2013 - Washington OC
Yards- 370 ypg
Pass- 234 ypg
Rush- 136 ypg
Ratio- 60%pass/40%rush
Td-int ratio- 20-19
Rush td- 14
First downs- 329
PF- 334
Comp%- 58.1%
Yards per pass- 5.7
Yards per rush- 4.8
QB rate- 76.1
Pass attempts in the gun%- 81.9%
Catch distribution
WR1 - 31.8%
TE1 - 12.7
WR2 - 11.8
HB1 - 8.7
WR3 -8.5
2014 - Cleveland OC
Yards- 325 ypg
Pass- 217 ypg
Rush- 108 ypg
Ratio- 53%pass/47%rush
Td-int ratio- 12-16
Rush td- 17
First downs- 294
PF- 299
Comp%- 54.6%
Yards per pass- 6.5
Yards per rush- 3.6
QB rate- 72.8
Pass attempts in the gun%- 59.6%
Catch distribution
WR1 - 23.0%
WR2 - 17.2
WR3 - 13.1
TE1 - 8.8
WR4 -8.8
2015 - Atlanta OC
Yards- 374 ypg
Pass- 274 ypg
Rush- 100 ypg
Ratio- 61%pass/39%rush
Td-int ratio- 21-17
Rush td- 13
First downs- 359
PF- 339
Comp%- 66.0%
Yards per pass- 6.7
Yards per rush- 3.8
QB rate- 87.8
Pass attempts in the gun%- 66.3%
Catch distribution
WR1 - 33.1%
HB1- 17.8
TE1 - 14.3
WR2 - 10.5
WR3 -6.3
2016 - Atlanta OC
Yards- 416 ypg
Pass- 295 ypg
Rush- 121 ypg
Ratio- 58%pass/42%rush
Td-int ratio- 38-7
Rush td- 20
First downs- 379
PF- 540
Comp%- 69.6%
Yards per pass- 8.2
Yards per rush- 4.6
QB rate- 116.8
Pass attempts in the gun%- 60.7%
Catch distribution
WR1 - 22.3%
WR2 - 15.8
HB1 - 14.5
WR3 - 9.4
HB2 -8.3
Personnel Groupings
11- 45% (74% pass/26% run)
21- 24% (42% pass/58% run)
12- 17% (49% pass/51% run)
2017 - SF HC
Yards- 349 ypg
Pass- 245 ypg
Rush- 104 ypg
Ratio- 61%pass/39%rush
Td-int ratio- 15-15
Rush td- 15
First downs- 321
PF- 331
Comp%- 59.6%
Yards per pass- 6.0
Yards per rush- 4.1
QB rate- 78.8
Pass attempts in the gun%- 60.8%
Catch distribution
HB1 - 16.3%
WR1 - 16.3
TE1 - 11.9
WR2 - 11.9
WR3 - 11.0
FB1 - 9.1
Personnel Groupings
11- 58% (76% pass/24% run)
21- 21% (46% pass/54% run)
12- 15% (48% pass/52% run)
****2018 - SF HC****
Yards- 360.6 ypg
Pass- 241.7 ypg
Rush- 118.9 ypg
Ratio- 58%pass/42%rush
Td-int ratio- 26-20
Rush td- 7
First downs- 331
PF- 342
Comp%- 62.2
Yards per pass- 6.7
Yards per rush- 4.5
QB rate- 87.8
Pass attempts in the gun%- 61.5%
Catch distributions
TE1 - 26.6%
WR1 - 12.7
FB1 - 9.1
HB1 - 8.2
WR2 - 8.2
WR3 - 7.9
WR4 - 7.3
Originally posted by Niners816:
Here's Kyle's career statistical profile. I'm too lazy to delete all the other stuff....i did chart pass attempts from the gun mainly because pro-football-reference gives that split. It's really not that all that uncharacteristic for Kyle to be at or around 60% of pass attempts in the gun. It's right before the catch distribution section for each year. I pulled this from the Kyle Stat profile I created.
Originally posted by Heroism:Originally posted by Niners816:Here's Kyle's career statistical profile. I'm too lazy to delete all the other stuff....i did chart pass attempts from the gun mainly because pro-football-reference gives that split. It's really not that all that uncharacteristic for Kyle to be at or around 60% of pass attempts in the gun. It's right before the catch distribution section for each year. I pulled this from the Kyle Stat profile I created.
Dang, it would be nice if those stats showed the total number of plays out of the gun and not just pass attempts. I think that's where the discrepancy may lie between the past and last Sunday's game.
Another one I'd be curious to see is the average number of outside zone runs his teams averaged per game.
Originally posted by 49ers90sBaby:Also something people also missed, Tampa put their best corner on Coleman when he was split out wide. Just something to watch for the rest of the season if teams continue to do that.
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by Niners816:
Here's Kyle's career statistical profile. I'm too lazy to delete all the other stuff....i did chart pass attempts from the gun mainly because pro-football-reference gives that split. It's really not that all that uncharacteristic for Kyle to be at or around 60% of pass attempts in the gun. It's right before the catch distribution section for each year. I pulled this from the Kyle Stat profile I created.
Dang, it would be nice if those stats showed the total number of plays out of the gun and not just pass attempts. I think that's where the discrepancy may lie between the past and last Sunday's game.
Another one I'd be curious to see is the average number of outside zone runs his teams averaged per game.
This shouldn't surprise anyone but I'm gonna say Grant is full of f**king s**t.....I looked at the play by play on nfl.com and downloaded the official game log and it tells which plays are in gun. I counted 29 shotgun plays(and this may be a little high because I'm sure there were some penalties on some). We ran a total of 60 plays. That's under 50% of total plays in the gun. Moral of the story is Grant Cohn is a clown and there really wasn't anything too drastic UC vs Gun. 66% of our pass attempts were from the gun on Sunday and that up a tick from 61% last year. Jimmy did complete 72% from the gun on Sunday.
Idiot. 
Originally posted by Heroism:There's no way they lined up in the gun over 70% of the plays. Maybe on pass plays only. They had many runs from under center.
Originally posted by Niners816:
Here's Kyle's career statistical profile. I'm too lazy to delete all the other stuff....i did chart pass attempts from the gun mainly because pro-football-reference gives that split. It's really not that all that uncharacteristic for Kyle to be at or around 60% of pass attempts in the gun. It's right before the catch distribution section for each year. I pulled this from the Kyle Stat profile I created.
Dang, it would be nice if those stats showed the total number of plays out of the gun and not just pass attempts. I think that's where the discrepancy may lie between the past and last Sunday's game.
Another one I'd be curious to see is the average number of outside zone runs his teams averaged per game.
Originally posted by thl408:There's no way they lined up in the gun over 70% of the plays. Maybe on pass plays only. They had many runs from under center.Originally posted by Heroism:Originally posted by Niners816:Here's Kyle's career statistical profile. I'm too lazy to delete all the other stuff....i did chart pass attempts from the gun mainly because pro-football-reference gives that split. It's really not that all that uncharacteristic for Kyle to be at or around 60% of pass attempts in the gun. It's right before the catch distribution section for each year. I pulled this from the Kyle Stat profile I created.
Dang, it would be nice if those stats showed the total number of plays out of the gun and not just pass attempts. I think that's where the discrepancy may lie between the past and last Sunday's game.
Another one I'd be curious to see is the average number of outside zone runs his teams averaged per game.
We ran 60 plays on Sunday and there's no number that comes up to 70.4 or even a situation where you would round to that number. Originally posted by Heroism:We know his tendencies by now. Let's see if game 1 was gameplan specific or some odd evolution in his offense. My theory on so few OZ runs (charted earlier this thread) is that it was so hot and he didn't want to run the OL.
yo thl, did you happen to chart the numbers of plays from the gun vs under center? I haven't charted them myself, but it ostensibly appeared that Kyle was dialing up more plays from shotgun this season than normal. And the lack of OZ+PA with Jimmy is really glaring. It's been something I've noticed since the Broncos preseason game. It just seems really weird for Kyle to deviate from the foundation of his offense.
Not sure how accurate this number is:
Jimmy Garoppolo attempted only three bootleg roll-out passes and lined up in the shotgun 70.4 percent of the time Week 1. Extremely uncharacteristic play-calling from Kyle Shanahan.
— Grant Cohn
Originally posted by Niners816:I should have known the tweet was about pass plays only. More guessing - with Bowles A gap blitzes, Kyle wanted Jimmy to see the rush. Lots of pass plays from the gun. Reminder guys, less than a year from the knee injury.
What Grant said is statistically impossible (70.4) unless we were running partial playsWe ran 60 plays on Sunday and there's no number that comes up to 70.4 or even a situation where you would round to that number.
41/60= 68.3%
42/60=70.0%
43/60=71.7%
I looked at the nfl gamelog play by play and I counted 29 shot gun plays....that's 48%. Pro-football-reference shows pass attempts in the gun and it had Jimmy down for 18 gun attempts which is 66% of his pass attempts. FWIW he completed 72% from the gun on Sunday. Also that 66% is a tick up from 61% that we ran last year.
Not a shock....Grant Cohn is full of s**t.
