49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
Let's take a quick look at coaches after 88 games!

Andy Reid 57-31
sean Payton 55-33
sean Mcvay 55-31 (86 games)
john harbaugh 54-32

Mike shanahan 48-40
Doug Pederson 44-42 (86 games)

Mike vrabel 45-26 (71 games)
Jim harbaugh 44-19-1 (64 games)
Bill Parcells 47-41

Kyle shanahan 42-46 Lolololololol

but but but he schemes guys open!!
he also took beathard over mahomes and said no to Brady, two guys who could probably hit the open man.

this man is the de facto GM and HC and end all be all. The state of the franchise is 100% his fault.

a losing record halfway into year 6 and people still coming up with Kylexcuses!!!!!!!!

ehhh. this has ZERO context. Kyle and John completely rebuilt the 49ers from the ground up beginning in 2017. they made the Super Bowl in their third year after that. coaches like Harbaugh and McVay inherited super talented teams.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by rockzz:
Some SB winning HC records without their franchise QB:

Payton without Brees: 17-12 - 58.6%
John Harbaugh without Lamar: 100-75 (4-9 without Flacco) - 57.1%
Andy Reid without McNabb and Mahomes: 91-73 (41-47 if you also exclude Alex Smith) - 55.5%
Carroll without Wilson: 52-54 - 49.1%
Tomlin without Big Ben: 19-20-1 - 48.7%
Arians without Brady and Palmer: 19-21 - 47.5%
Belichick without Brady: 74-83 (36-44 with the Browns and 38-39 with the Patriots) - 47.1%

For my money, Reid is the best offensive coach in the game right now and it isn't close.

it took Andy Reid a looooong time to get to where he's at. people forget Andy lost three straight NFCCGs with the Eagles because of bad play-calling and excruciatingly bad clock management.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by rockzz:
Some SB winning HC records without their franchise QB:

Payton without Brees: 17-12 - 58.6%
John Harbaugh without Lamar: 100-75 (4-9 without Flacco) - 57.1%
Andy Reid without McNabb and Mahomes: 91-73 (41-47 if you also exclude Alex Smith) - 55.5%
Carroll without Wilson: 52-54 - 49.1%
Tomlin without Big Ben: 19-20-1 - 48.7%
Arians without Brady and Palmer: 19-21 - 47.5%
Belichick without Brady: 74-83 (36-44 with the Browns and 38-39 with the Patriots) - 47.1%

For my money, Reid is the best offensive coach in the game right now and it isn't close.

it took Andy Reid a looooong time to get to where he's at. people forget Andy lost three straight NFCCGs with the Eagles because of bad play-calling and excruciatingly bad clock management.

andy never won anything without mahomes. i love andy too, think he's a great coach.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by rockzz:
Some SB winning HC records without their franchise QB:

Payton without Brees: 17-12 - 58.6%
John Harbaugh without Lamar: 100-75 (4-9 without Flacco) - 57.1%
Andy Reid without McNabb and Mahomes: 91-73 (41-47 if you also exclude Alex Smith) - 55.5%
Carroll without Wilson: 52-54 - 49.1%
Tomlin without Big Ben: 19-20-1 - 48.7%
Arians without Brady and Palmer: 19-21 - 47.5%
Belichick without Brady: 74-83 (36-44 with the Browns and 38-39 with the Patriots) - 47.1%

For my money, Reid is the best offensive coach in the game right now and it isn't close.

it took Andy Reid a looooong time to get to where he's at. people forget Andy lost three straight NFCCGs with the Eagles because of bad play-calling and excruciatingly bad clock management.

It did take Reid some time, however, he has had some horrendous bad luck with playoff injuries.

One of the things that have made Reid good is his willingness to recognize his management issues and largely correct them. IIRC, he admitted that was something he worked on during his transition from Philly to KC.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by rockzz:
Some SB winning HC records without their franchise QB:

Payton without Brees: 17-12 - 58.6%
John Harbaugh without Lamar: 100-75 (4-9 without Flacco) - 57.1%
Andy Reid without McNabb and Mahomes: 91-73 (41-47 if you also exclude Alex Smith) - 55.5%
Carroll without Wilson: 52-54 - 49.1%
Tomlin without Big Ben: 19-20-1 - 48.7%
Arians without Brady and Palmer: 19-21 - 47.5%
Belichick without Brady: 74-83 (36-44 with the Browns and 38-39 with the Patriots) - 47.1%

For my money, Reid is the best offensive coach in the game right now and it isn't close.

it took Andy Reid a looooong time to get to where he's at. people forget Andy lost three straight NFCCGs with the Eagles because of bad play-calling and excruciatingly bad clock management.

andy never won anything without mahomes. i love andy too, think he's a great coach.

Shouldn't have won it with Mahomes either, except the guy across the field was worse at crunch time with play calling and clock management…

Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Harbaugh had Alex Smith and Kaepernick. To say he had studs at QB is an overstatement. Why can't he get Jimmy to play better as most think he is better than Smith was.

I dont think Jimmy is a Harbaugh type QB. Harbaugh has always been ultra conservative in his approach to turnovers. That's why Alex was very risk-averse with him and also Kaep had very low turnover %

Harbaugh would have a brain aneurysm when Jimmy would throw interceptable balls and turns the ball over several times.

Also both Alex and Kaepernick were very mobile.

I can see Harbaugh mentoring Trey Lance better than Kyle and making him a serviceable mobile "game manager" with some big play ability. I can't see him doing much better with the turnover machine with little big play ability that is Jimmy.

It's a conundrum, Jimmy makes a nice throw followed by a sack/pick/safety/fumble. His lack of awareness is mind boggling.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Harbaugh had Alex Smith and Kaepernick. To say he had studs at QB is an overstatement. Why can't he get Jimmy to play better as most think he is better than Smith was.

I dont think Jimmy is a Harbaugh type QB. Harbaugh has always been ultra conservative in his approach to turnovers. That's why Alex was very risk-averse with him and also Kaep had very low turnover %

Harbaugh would have a brain aneurysm when Jimmy would throw interceptable balls and turns the ball over several times.

Also both Alex and Kaepernick were very mobile.

I can see Harbaugh mentoring Trey Lance better than Kyle and making him a serviceable mobile "game manager" with some big play ability. I can't see him doing much better with the turnover machine with little big play ability that is Jimmy.

Kap and Alex protected the ball and could use their legs. Jimmy is a statue and makes stupid throws every single game. I'm not so sure Jimmy is better than either of them.

Although I believe Harbaugh would not continuously put Jimmy in position to kill us like Kyle does

Yah I'm not sure Jimmy is better than Smith or Kaep. Neither of them are studs but Jim.y never, never deserved a 75m contract. I also think Harbs has a stronger personality and would get more.out of this team. Shamahan and Lynch did a decent job drafting, ahem Trey Sermon, Kinlaw LoL. But Harbaugh IMO did a better job putting them in position to succeed.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by rockzz:
Some SB winning HC records without their franchise QB:

Payton without Brees: 17-12 - 58.6%
John Harbaugh without Lamar: 100-75 (4-9 without Flacco) - 57.1%
Andy Reid without McNabb and Mahomes: 91-73 (41-47 if you also exclude Alex Smith) - 55.5%
Carroll without Wilson: 52-54 - 49.1%
Tomlin without Big Ben: 19-20-1 - 48.7%
Arians without Brady and Palmer: 19-21 - 47.5%
Belichick without Brady: 74-83 (36-44 with the Browns and 38-39 with the Patriots) - 47.1%

For my money, Reid is the best offensive coach in the game right now and it isn't close.

it took Andy Reid a looooong time to get to where he's at. people forget Andy lost three straight NFCCGs with the Eagles because of bad play-calling and excruciatingly bad clock management.

andy never won anything without mahomes. i love andy too, think he's a great coach.

Shouldn't have won it with Mahomes either, except the guy across the field was worse at crunch time with play calling and clock management…

LOL

kyle should have beaten the chiefs despite having jimmy as his qb. it doesn't matter than andy has arguably the greatest qb of this generation

DUDE needs to go!!

time a tickin !! time a tickin /!!!

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
It's a conundrum, Jimmy makes a nice throw followed by a sack/pick/safety/fumble. His lack of awareness is mind boggling.

Yah I'm not sure Jimmy is better than Smith or Kaep. Neither of them are studs but Jim.y never, never deserved a 75m contract. I also think Harbs has a stronger personality and would get more.out of this team. Shamahan and Lynch did a decent job drafting, ahem Trey Sermon, Kinlaw LoL. But Harbaugh IMO did a better job putting them in position to succeed.

I don't. Team would have a ton more penalties every week. Offensively they'd be poorly coached with complete inept play calling in the pass game. Offensive players would be struggling to develop until they go elsewhere. Ted Ginn had one reception in 2012. One. Basically all the complaints about Kyle go to 11 with Harbaugh.

Perhaps Fangio mitigates it again with his fantastic coaching. That'd be the X factor

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
It's a conundrum, Jimmy makes a nice throw followed by a sack/pick/safety/fumble. His lack of awareness is mind boggling.

Yah I'm not sure Jimmy is better than Smith or Kaep. Neither of them are studs but Jim.y never, never deserved a 75m contract. I also think Harbs has a stronger personality and would get more.out of this team. Shamahan and Lynch did a decent job drafting, ahem Trey Sermon, Kinlaw LoL. But Harbaugh IMO did a better job putting them in position to succeed.

I don't. Team would have a ton more penalties every week. Offensively they'd be poorly coached with complete inept play calling in the pass game. Offensive players would be struggling to develop until they go elsewhere. Ted Ginn had one reception in 2012. One. Basically all the complaints about Kyle go to 11 with Harbaugh.

Perhaps Fangio mitigates it again with his fantastic coaching. That'd be the X factor

Idunno. Shammy can't seem to coach at all in the second half of games. It seems he has a script for the first half and if that goes down the tubes the adjustments seem lacking to me. And penalties, the 49ers have many offensive penalties each game. Almost one illegal motion per.games it seems. Not very disciplined or the scheme is too complex.

If this defense wasn't playing lights out in the first six games we may not even be 3-4. The defense looks a lot better than the offense does and Shammy, not DeMeco was the one thought of as a genius. I'm on the fence. Not a complete hater but not impressed either.

if this dude is so smart why cant he figure out the 4th quarter? 0-30 when the other team has a lead of 3 or more going into the 4th? thats the most damning stat Ive ever seen. If what he is doing doesnt work and he keeps doing it, hes an idiot.

Kyle be like:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
True, Kyle hasn't had great QB play while he's been here. It just really sucks that Kyle had this QB situation forced upon him. John Lynch really needs own up to bad QB play he's brought to the team alone. Jimmy was a forced on him and he should have more input on players.

Kyle could have drafted Mahomes, Watson or waited to sign Cousins

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by rockzz:
Some SB winning HC records without their franchise QB:

Payton without Brees: 17-12 - 58.6%
John Harbaugh without Lamar: 100-75 (4-9 without Flacco) - 57.1%
Andy Reid without McNabb and Mahomes: 91-73 (41-47 if you also exclude Alex Smith) - 55.5%
Carroll without Wilson: 52-54 - 49.1%
Tomlin without Big Ben: 19-20-1 - 48.7%
Arians without Brady and Palmer: 19-21 - 47.5%
Belichick without Brady: 74-83 (36-44 with the Browns and 38-39 with the Patriots) - 47.1%

For my money, Reid is the best offensive coach in the game right now and it isn't close.

it took Andy Reid a looooong time to get to where he's at. people forget Andy lost three straight NFCCGs with the Eagles because of bad play-calling and excruciatingly bad clock management.

Andy Reid is the most creative and is genius when it comes to taking advantage of the Ds weakness and strength and using it against them like they did Bosa, he is probably the best offensive coach at using screens, misdirections, trickery and very very good at using RBs and also great at coaching and using QBs to their highest potential.. also has a good eye at finding and using WRs..

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
It's a conundrum, Jimmy makes a nice throw followed by a sack/pick/safety/fumble. His lack of awareness is mind boggling.

Yah I'm not sure Jimmy is better than Smith or Kaep. Neither of them are studs but Jim.y never, never deserved a 75m contract. I also think Harbs has a stronger personality and would get more.out of this team. Shamahan and Lynch did a decent job drafting, ahem Trey Sermon, Kinlaw LoL. But Harbaugh IMO did a better job putting them in position to succeed.

IMO Madden score out of 100:
Alex Smith: average 72, best 82 when he made probowl and won comeback games vs good teams especially when it matters.
Kraperchoke: average 67, at best and rarely 75, no probowls never sniff 80+ due to overall POOR ACCURACY, lack of touch on passes, bad decision making and because he never earn the job to be QB1 thus never work hard at his craft, and never really improve especially after his SB CHOKE and 110% got exposed for his limitations (especially in passing inaccuracies) and weaknesses by the whole league,
and started a racial controversy for attention and more money outside of football then he 110% dropped to 45-55 status as a QB when he got replaced by Blaine Gabbert who was at that time probably 50-60, a 45-55 QB who's limitations and weaknesses have been exposed,
with racial controversy and still asking for QB1 money? No wonder no team wanted him aka kicked out by the 9ers and NFL.
Bonehead Jimmy: 65 average, at best 72, no probowls too many flaws and limitations, hit ceiling with SB CHOKE and proven even more with NFCC choke last season, will never sniff 80+.

BTW, HARB Sucks. He inherited the top core D players, was never ever good at finding and using WRs, bet on fools gold Kraperchoke over Alex Smith and got fired once Kraperchoke choked in the SB and hit his ceiling, got exposed by the NFL and proven much lesser than Wilson in the same division who was drafted in the 3rd round, once the championship D was gone and the o line went to s**t, still no good WRs, RB1 sucks, and Kraperchoke got figure out and exposed, it was game over for Harb.