QB Candidates Thread: The Search for the QBoTF

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Lifer:

Originally posted by JimA49ers:
Was watching NFL Network the other day showing "Top 10 Busts." If I remember correctly, one was a QB that:
1. The team had to dumb-down the offensive plays.
2. If the 1st receiver wasn't open, just run it.
3. Couldn't throw to his left, so they pretty much just doubled up on the right side receiver.
4. Once the opponents figured him out, he was not a threat.

Reminded me A LOT of Kap. I think it was Rick Mirer.

Yeah, it was Mirer. The guy who Bill Walsh cursed by calling him "the next Joe Montana."

Kaepernick is a backup QB, borderline starter. So was Rick Mirer.

Kaep is not bust like a Gabbert or worse, Drukenmiller. He won games and was effective.

The Krap fan club in full protect mode. Better then Gabbert N Drukenmiller doesn't mean jack dude is sitll below average N has business being a starter in this league.

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

eh....they are claiming they won't deal but they still want Gold for their silver....Pats too.

Reminds me when we wouldn't trade Kap and ended up letting him hit the FA market for nothing in return. not the same situation, but similar.

not even similar

Denver wanted us to pay them to trade Kaep

Pretty similar. 5 mil for a mid round pick sounds good to me (not my money lols). But there was a trade offer, and we ended up getting nothing.

My hope: wash realizes how fukked they are and deals Cousins for cheap.

My hunch: wash, like Baalke last year, will let ego get in the way. (This isn't necessarily bad for us; maybe we get cousins next yr, who knows).

There was no trade offer. They wanted Kap to sign a new contract, he didn't, they never made us the offer.

Broncos and 49ers agreed on a trade but it depended on Kaep redoing his contract which he refused with Denver

So in effect there was no opportunity for us to trade him. It wasn't because the 49ers refused a trade. That is revisionist history.

Thanks for reminding us of what happened, Mojave, not what a few fans still think.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Kaep is not bust like a Gabbert or worse, Drukenmiller. He won games and was effective.

he is like a 13 year old kid in jr high with lots of ability.. he peaks at a young age. is unable or unwilling to work to take the next step and the next thing you know. people pass him by . he can not handle it and has to whip up some kneeling drama to cover up the fact he was always just a one trick pony. those things will only take you to a few towns. the times he won games and was effective was then.. this is now. he is trash, garbage on and off the field. he has a pea sized brain and is a wretched human being and miserable excuse for a quarterback and team mate. i have no time to have anyone try to humanize him

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Lifer:

Originally posted by JimA49ers:
Was watching NFL Network the other day showing "Top 10 Busts." If I remember correctly, one was a QB that:
1. The team had to dumb-down the offensive plays.
2. If the 1st receiver wasn't open, just run it.
3. Couldn't throw to his left, so they pretty much just doubled up on the right side receiver.
4. Once the opponents figured him out, he was not a threat.

Reminded me A LOT of Kap. I think it was Rick Mirer.

Yeah, it was Mirer. The guy who Bill Walsh cursed by calling him "the next Joe Montana."

Kaepernick is a backup QB, borderline starter. So was Rick Mirer.

Kaep is not bust like a Gabbert or worse, Drukenmiller. He won games and was effective.

Agreed. Kap is not not a bust like Mirer, Gabbert, or Drukenmiller. He wasn't picked that high. But he was similarly cursed by early promise and high expectations. Walsh called Mirer the next Joe Montana. Jaworski said Kap could be one of the greatest ever. Once those expectations have been set, it's hard for some people to let them go and see the player for what he really is.

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by cciowa:

losing ck is a plus. bringing cutler in is a disaster , hoyer would be more than fine

I'd rather deal through the rookies ups n downs than have the sellout who admitted he wasn't focused on football, and whose GF heavily influences him (basically wears the pants).

I also don't want to see Cutty. Hoyer would be a cheap bridge and that's fine with me.

Wtf? This post literally makes no sense. Lay off the hyperbole and stick with football. ANYONE who thinks Hoyer would be better than Kaep isn't talking in football terms and should stop posting in the QB thread.

Originally posted by Lifer:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Lifer:

Originally posted by JimA49ers:

Was watching NFL Network the other day showing "Top 10 Busts." If I remember correctly, one was a QB that:
1. The team had to dumb-down the offensive plays.
2. If the 1st receiver wasn't open, just run it.
3. Couldn't throw to his left, so they pretty much just doubled up on the right side receiver.
4. Once the opponents figured him out, he was not a threat.

Reminded me A LOT of Kap. I think it was Rick Mirer.

Yeah, it was Mirer. The guy who Bill Walsh cursed by calling him "the next Joe Montana."

Kaepernick is a backup QB, borderline starter. So was Rick Mirer.

Kaep is not bust like a Gabbert or worse, Drukenmiller. He won games and was effective.

Agreed. Kap is not not a bust like Mirer, Gabbert, or Drukenmiller. He wasn't picked that high. But he was similarly cursed by early promise and high expectations. Walsh called Mirer the next Joe Montana. Jaworski said Kap could be one of the greatest ever. Once those expectations have been set, it's hard for some people to let them go and see the player for what he really is.

Let's keep this in perspective. Kaep actually has done a lot in this league. Why anyone would put him in the category of Rick Mirer is ridiculous at best. I think some people forget he was ONE pass away from going to back to back Super Bowls. That s**t doesn't just HAPPEN.

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by cciowa:
losing ck is a plus. bringing cutler in is a disaster , hoyer would be more than fine

I'd rather deal through the rookies ups n downs than have the sellout who admitted he wasn't focused on football, and whose GF heavily influences him (basically wears the pants).

I also don't want to see Cutty. Hoyer would be a cheap bridge and that's fine with me.

Wtf? This post literally makes no sense. Lay off the hyperbole and stick with football. ANYONE who thinks Hoyer would be better than Kaep isn't talking in football terms and should stop posting.

Hoyer coming in, helping to install Shanahan's offense and teaching the rookie the verbiage IS a lot better than Kaepernick coming back to SF learning the offense at $8 million dollars or so. What could Kaepernick teach a rookie about Shanahan's offense?

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Kaep is not bust like a Gabbert or worse, Drukenmiller. He won games and was effective.

he is like a 13 year old kid in jr high with lots of ability.. he peaks at a young age. is unable or unwilling to work to take the next step and the next thing you know. people pass him by . he can not handle it and has to whip up some kneeling drama to cover up the fact he was always just a one trick pony. those things will only take you to a few towns. the times he won games and was effective was then.. this is now. he is trash, garbage on and off the field. he has a pea sized brain and is a wretched human being and miserable excuse for a quarterback and team mate. i have no time to have anyone try to humanize him

Wow! That's a LOT of personal bias that has NOTHING to do with football. Especially considering what he's done and what he's doing. Agree or not that dude is a RIDER who's doing WAY MORE than he should. People like you are the SAME ones that hated Ali.

Originally posted by Lifer:
Agreed. Kap is not not a bust like Mirer, Gabbert, or Drukenmiller. He wasn't picked that high. But he was similarly cursed by early promise and high expectations. Walsh called Mirer the next Joe Montana. Jaworski said Kap could be one of the greatest ever. Once those expectations have been set, it's hard for some people to let them go and see the player for what he really is.

please.. he is cursed? everything that has happened is his own fault. stupid obama and oprah have dumbed us down so much. no one takes responsibility . the longer the team treated ck like a baby the longer he was a baby

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
Wtf? This post literally makes no sense. Lay off the hyperbole and stick with football. ANYONE who thinks Hoyer would be better than Kaep isn't talking in football terms and should stop posting in the QB thread.

and people think i am nuts for the way i disagree with others

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
Wtf? This post literally makes no sense. Lay off the hyperbole and stick with football. ANYONE who thinks Hoyer would be better than Kaep isn't talking in football terms and should stop posting in the QB thread.

If Hoyer knows Shanahan's system and can help two or three young QBs learn and grow what could Kaepernick do equally as important? Win one more game? You can't really think having CK start for the niners this year would be good for the growth of the team or for his career. I'd rather see him go to a team that is ready to use him effectively...where ever that is. Other people I don't think are useful to Shanahan--Romo or Cutler. They are old, injury prone and do not know his system.

However, if Shanahan decides to keep Kaepernick and sign both Cutler and Romo...I'd be shocked, but OK...he's the new HC. Be sure to have an ambulance outside my house when that info is released! LOL!

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by cciowa:

losing ck is a plus. bringing cutler in is a disaster , hoyer would be more than fine

I'd rather deal through the rookies ups n downs than have the sellout who admitted he wasn't focused on football, and whose GF heavily influences him (basically wears the pants).

I also don't want to see Cutty. Hoyer would be a cheap bridge and that's fine with me.

Wtf? This post literally makes no sense. Lay off the hyperbole and stick with football. ANYONE who thinks Hoyer would be better than Kaep isn't talking in football terms and should stop posting in the QB thread.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions whether you agree or not. We are here to debate and discuss not to attack ANYONE who don't share your opinion.

A this point, Kap is an unlikely FA signing, and nothing more. This thread is about identifying QB's for the roster, and he has a small, non-zero chance of being back on this team. Everything else is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by cciowa:

losing ck is a plus. bringing cutler in is a disaster , hoyer would be more than fine

I'd rather deal through the rookies ups n downs than have the sellout who admitted he wasn't focused on football, and whose GF heavily influences him (basically wears the pants).

I also don't want to see Cutty. Hoyer would be a cheap bridge and that's fine with me.

Wtf? This post literally makes no sense. Lay off the hyperbole and stick with football. ANYONE who thinks Hoyer would be better than Kaep isn't talking in football terms and should stop posting.

Hoyer coming in, helping to install Shanahan's offense and teaching the rookie the verbiage IS a lot better than Kaepernick coming back to SF learning the offense at $8 million dollars or so. What could Kaepernick teach a rookie about Shanahan's offense?

This Posts assumes a few things that you or I don't know. Considering what Harbaugh ran and the ZBS we employed under Tomsula Kaep is most likely familiar with the concepts of Shanahans offense. The verbiage will be different but the play understanding is similar. Hell, Shanahan ran quite a few of the same plays we ran with Harbaugh. Also, Shanahan will Taylor the offense to the QB as he said in his presser.

Kappy was such a "miserable team mate" that his teammates voted him the Len Eshmont award.

Personal non-football bias much?