QB Candidates Thread: The Search for the QBoTF

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Tyrod, (smoke screen....I hope) Taylor.....your thoughts?

He can read defenses a bit better than Kaepernick, but honestly, I don't know why we're kicking tires on a mobile QB. Especially if hes injury prone.

If he comes for cheap, I'll be on board. If not, then ehhhhhh. They've got a lot of other positions to fill in FA.

Well, most NFL QBs read defense better than Kap, that was never his strong suit. I always hoped Kap would learn, and grow in to an amazing true duel threat QB.

But here we are......Gulp.... no QBs under contract....staring at Tyrod Taylor!

I wouldn't bring Taylor over for 1 average receiver. Taylor may have a better deep ball than Kap but overall he's the same guy and people should take note that his qb rating dropped 10 points this past year. Why does that sound familiar? It's all downhill from here for him. Athletic qb's have an early advantage but as their game gets dissected it becomes up to them to improve in the pocket and when that's never been your game you see a lot of them flame out.

It would be one thing if he could be a bridge but you're inheriting a 4 year deal and a guy who doesn't know the system at all. I'd rather keep Kap then him.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

I'm against any qb that would just delay the team learning Shanahan's offense. That eliminates Kaepernick, Taylor, and Cutler. A J McCarron or Mike Glennon might be better fits with higher potential in that system.

Definitely. Plus we could add some others to that list. Kyle is about going forward, not staying static. It is also why, if kyle sees a guy wiht the talent he likes to see in a Qb, i could see him starting a rook this yr, IF, IF, he has the inherent tools that kyle requires in a qB. The Cousins deal is still not dead, as WASH has a while yet to come to their senses and get rid of someone who definitely doesn't want to be there...esp long term. And short term, it would just keep the SKINS static.
They wouldn't improve with a guy who they know is going to be gone next yr. In effect they would just waste an entire yr of development.

Meantime, if say kyle really liked what he saw in Peterman, i could see him taking him end of rd 2 or early rd 3, and then signing another qb late. Or as PHX has said a backup, and i assume that does not mean bridge Qb. If we did sign Peterman , PHX thinks an insurance policy like a Schaub would follow. While that is the most likely scenario, i could see kyle getting a late rd qB as insurance....but he would have to have most if not all the qualities in a qB that Kyle requires....and late in the last rds, none of those guys would qualify. So , i guess PHX is correct that we get a backup insurance qb like a Schaub . If that is what happened, and very late WASH offered us Cousins, we still could make that deal. Obviously, it would be better to have a trade done before draft, but with WASH, expect them to make some more stupid moves.

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
i honestly don't see a stop gap better than kap thats available , just resign kap for 2 years while you groom trubisky or watson.

He doesn't want to be here, cant run the system, had been getting worse year by year and is the last emblem of the tragedy that is the last 4 years and yet people still want him back?

Originally posted by ayleswbj11:
Taylor throws to Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, marquise Goodwin , MaCoy, and a very good TE. Kap throws to Celek, Kerley, Smith, McDonald and about 4 others wideouts than no one can even remember. Enough said

Kap still wouldn't be able to hit any of those guys...enough said.

Man I cant wait until we hire somebody so I can stop hearing about Kap. He is gone...let him leave.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

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Originally posted by BOI49er:
I'm against any qb that would just delay the team learning Shanahan's offense. That eliminates Kaepernick, Taylor, and Cutler. A J McCarron or Mike Glennon might be better fits with higher potential in that system.

THANK YOU!!!

This is the fundamental issue fans are forgetting. Kyle is trying to lay down the foundation of the WCO here. There are 24+ other offensive players that need to learn it. Kyle is not going to change the entire offense and dumb it down to accommodate athletic/spread/air raid QB's like Kaepernick, RGIII, Tyrod Taylor, etc.

Even if we get a crappy veteran QB, it'll be fine...we aren't expecting many W's anyhow but what's essential this year, is laying the foundation down. So he's got to find someone who's already familiar with the offense, the terminology, the ins/outs of being a QB within it, etc.

Who that is is obviously, up to debate.

Originally posted by njninersfan420:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
Who you gonna get ? Cutler lol the head case who throws pick 6s, hoyer the career backup? , lol shaub the old man, not very other attractive options

How about someone who knows the offense? So you can install the full thing and get everyone on the same page Year 1 so when the eventual long term starter steps in you dont have to change up anything, just plug them in and go.

Hoyer, Schaub and Peterman in the middle rounds works fine until they determine who the ling term guy is, whether it be Cousins, a future draft pick or even Peterman who has drawn comparisons to Cousins.

Exactly, it would be counter productive to bring back Kap or any QB that Shanahan would have to Taylor the offense to. Need someone who knows the offense so the young QB can learn the full scheme while the bridge QB is here. If Kap fans would take their emotions out of it, this would be pretty clear to them.

Exactly! Not to mention Tyrod Taylor would cost the same as Kaepernick anyways so what's the point? LOL

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

eh....they are claiming they won't deal but they still want Gold for their silver....Pats too.

Reminds me when we wouldn't trade Kap and ended up letting him hit the FA market for nothing in return. not the same situation, but similar.

not even similar

Denver wanted us to pay them to trade Kaep

Pretty similar. 5 mil for a mid round pick sounds good to me (not my money lols). But there was a trade offer, and we ended up getting nothing.

My hope: wash realizes how fukked they are and deals Cousins for cheap.

My hunch: wash, like Baalke last year, will let ego get in the way. (This isn't necessarily bad for us; maybe we get cousins next yr, who knows).

There was no trade offer. They wanted Kap to sign a new contract, he didn't, they never made us the offer.

Broncos and 49ers agreed on a trade but it depended on Kaep redoing his contract which he refused with Denver

So in effect there was no opportunity for us to trade him. It wasn't because the 49ers refused a trade. That is revisionist history.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Tyrod, (smoke screen....I hope) Taylor.....your thoughts?

He can read defenses a bit better than Kaepernick, but honestly, I don't know why we're kicking tires on a mobile QB. Especially if hes injury prone.

If he comes for cheap, I'll be on board. If not, then ehhhhhh. They've got a lot of other positions to fill in FA.

Well, most NFL QBs read defense better than Kap, that was never his strong suit. I always hoped Kap would learn, and grow in to an amazing true duel threat QB.

But here we are......Gulp.... no QBs under contract....staring at Tyrod Taylor!

You gotta admit, Golitta, that here we are, in midst of combine, and with no QB, KYle isn't running around like a chicken with its head cut off, over the fact he has no Qb. He and lynch are quietly assessing up and coming Qbs, while at the same time keeping open the path for Cousins to come here, even if Snyder can't get his wits about him til very late in the game....I think it is July but not sure with the exclusive tag, (or however this one is named), and they are planning both with and without Cousins. Quietly, no histrionics, no vapid dull staring into space like tomsul, nor like Chip either. A ball hasn't been snapped in anger yet, and our GM and HC are both fine with no Qb on the roster. As Lynch said, "it's liberating to not have a Qb ". I assume by that he was talking about the lousy Qbs we have had to endure the last 3-4 yrs.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by mojave45:

There was no trade offer. They wanted Kap to sign a new contract, he didn't, they never made us the offer.

There was a trade offer. You're Correct, kap wouldn't sign a new contract. They made us an offer. What's missing in your write up is the part where, after they couldn't get kap to take a pay cut, they asked us to pay the difference, we said no. Because reasons.

Horse manure. The deal was entirely contingent on Kap signing a new contract. It was a multi year contract. No way in the world do we, or anyone, pay a QB salary for multiple years. You are flatly wrong that we refused the deal. Because Kap refused to sign, the deal was torpedoed, and no one else made any offer at all.

Looking at previous contracts etc, I think if we sign a veteran with the intention for him being a starter, we are going to have to pay $12 - 15 million. The exception may be someone like Schaub, but Glennon, Taylor, Hoyer etc are going to be looking for starter bucks.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Man I cant wait until we hire somebody so I can stop hearing about Kap. He is gone...let him leave.