John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Do we lose the SB and the NFCCG if the offense scores their season ppg average?

Always gotta look at the context of the game. Not season averages. Esp. in the playoffs and against known rivals.

So throwing a stat out like you did yesterday without any context is okay but my question is invalid?

The stat is comprehensive across all teams with at least a 10 point lead in the 4Q. That makes it relevant to compare us to the rest of the league.

Now, if you can find a stat on needing to score up to a specific team average compared to all teams, sure. That would be comprehensive.

There is. If your offense scores more points than your defense gives up than your team wins 100% of the time. Offenses who average less than 24 ppg almost always sit at home and watch the playoffs from the comfort of their couches.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by English:
John Lynch - 49ers GM

Haha. Yeah, John is responsible for the defense. He gets the first pick in the draft. 21 points in 5 minutes. 500 yards to Kupp.

This is all his fault. LOL!!!

My guess is English is trying to say this is the John lynch thread. Why the f**k is it being hikacked about some stupid argument about a QB who won't even be in the team in 3 months.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by English:
John Lynch - 49ers GM

Haha. Yeah, John is responsible for the defense. He gets the first pick in the draft. 21 points in 5 minutes. 500 yards to Kupp.

This is all his fault. LOL!!!

Lmao. John Lynch thread.

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by English:
John Lynch - 49ers GM

Haha. Yeah, John is responsible for the defense. He gets the first pick in the draft. 21 points in 5 minutes. 500 yards to Kupp.

This is all his fault. LOL!!!

My guess is English is trying to say this is the John lynch thread. Why the f**k is it being hikacked about some stupid argument about a QB who won't even be in the team in 3 months.

I know. I was just joking. Bringing it back to Lynch.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Sure. Shanahan is responsible for the QB he fields. Its crazy to think how the defense has kept us in these games for 3+ quarters and then be gassed half way through the 4th though. All because the offense couldn't move the ball. Than when you go back and check the film, the plays on offense were there to be made but the QB missed so many of them that the game was lossed.

You can't get up 2 scores late into the 4th QB without the defense, offense, special teams, game plan and in-game coaching all doing their part and executing.

I am not sure that you are aware of this but a 10 point lead isn't that great in the NFL. Also, when your offense scores less than 24 points in those games and the film shows receivers open on multiple plays but were not targeted by the QB. It means the play caller did their job but the QB failed to do theirs.

"10 pt lead isn't that great"

lol's

Over past three season, the

#49ers are now 3-2 with a 10-plus
point 4th-quarter lead in the
playoffs. The rest of the league is
23-0. The two losses, of course,
were Super Bowl LIV and today to
#Rams in NFC Championship
Game.
Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner)
January 31, 2022

thank you

This crowd has already ignored this numerous times. At least YAC tried to spin it.

its not ignored.. it's an aweful lazy take. a 10pt lead doesn't give the QB a pass to take a back seat, play s**tty and not even try to win the game

Lol how many of those teams with a 10 point leads were just 10 points? How many of those 10 point leads were not extended by more scores? But context

lol once a team gets a 10 lead.. it's all up to the defense now and the offense can take the day off

Yeah it can be a pretty misleading stat. Like I'm sure there were teams that gave up a 10 point lead but ended up pulling off the win cause of a last minute drive. Or like the Texans how they lost their 10 point lead Vs the Chiefs in the 2nd quarter not the 4th quarter so that's not included in the stat.

yup.. all stats are cherry picked. but fillm shows the truth

Originally posted by English:
John Lynch - 49ers GM

Yessir & honorary member of TB Bucs ring of pirates

I don't want to contribute to much to the debate but thought I'd start the defensive side of the film study. I will post some clips and others can add to it. I am not great at breaking film down so maybe some of you can tell us exactly what we are seeing here.



The team and Kyle lost the game. The defense gave up plays, the offensive line couldnt stop me 😂, the run game could do nothing, Jimmy missed some reads, and I am sure Kyle would like some play calls back. Jimmy and Kyle probably shoulder the majority of the blame perks of the job. Why do we need to run around in circles pointing fingers it's obvious you guys aren't about to agree on the outcome.

Back to John Lynch. I thing he's done a good job identifying the teams needs and addressing several of them this off-season. I think we are in a good spot even though I am still nervous how the online pans out. And obviously Trey will be the biggest question whether he's good, bad or inbetween.

Originally posted by Scooper1:
I don't want to contribute to much to the debate but thought I'd start the defensive side of the film study. I will post some clips and others can add to it. I am not great at breaking film down so maybe some of you can tell us exactly what we are seeing here.



The team and Kyle lost the game. The defense gave up plays, the offensive line couldnt stop me 😂, the run game could do nothing, Jimmy missed some reads, and I am sure Kyle would like some play calls back. Jimmy and Kyle probably shoulder the majority of the blame perks of the job. Why do we need to run around in circles pointing fingers it's obvious you guys aren't about to agree on the outcome.

Back to John Lynch. I thing he's done a good job identifying the teams needs and addressing several of them this off-season. I think we are in a good spot even though I am still nervous how the online pans out. And obviously Trey will be the biggest question whether he's good, bad or inbetween.

And to the bold comment:

Me? Like you...I'll still be looking at the whole picture next year when Trey is the QB, starting with how this roster was constructed and where are strengths are built on how to win (e.g. running game + defense / complimentary passing game).

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Do we lose the SB and the NFCCG if the offense scores their season ppg average?

Always gotta look at the context of the game. Not season averages. Esp. in the playoffs and against known rivals.

So throwing a stat out like you did yesterday without any context is okay but my question is invalid?

The stat is comprehensive across all teams with at least a 10 point lead in the 4Q. That makes it relevant to compare us to the rest of the league.

Now, if you can find a stat on needing to score up to a specific team average compared to all teams, sure. That would be comprehensive.

There is. If your offense scores more points than your defense gives up than your team wins 100% of the time. Offenses who average less than 24 ppg almost always sit at home and watch the playoffs from the comfort of their couches.

Well, not 100% of the time. See divisional playoff game vs GB.

Originally posted by Scooper1:
I don't want to contribute to much to the debate but thought I'd start the defensive side of the film study. I will post some clips and others can add to it. I am not great at breaking film down so maybe some of you can tell us exactly what we are seeing here.



The team and Kyle lost the game. The defense gave up plays, the offensive line couldnt stop me 😂, the run game could do nothing, Jimmy missed some reads, and I am sure Kyle would like some play calls back. Jimmy and Kyle probably shoulder the majority of the blame perks of the job. Why do we need to run around in circles pointing fingers it's obvious you guys aren't about to agree on the outcome.

Back to John Lynch. I thing he's done a good job identifying the teams needs and addressing several of them this off-season. I think we are in a good spot even though I am still nervous how the online pans out. And obviously Trey will be the biggest question whether he's good, bad or inbetween.

What you are seeing here is missed INT..This doesn't determine the outcome fo the game. Jimmy still has to play and make those plays to wide open guys.. which he didn't

Originally posted by NCommand:
Lol. Where's your fan based content breakdown of the run blocking, defensive line pressure, secondary, play calling, special teams, etc.

It's literally lazy one-track minded takes stolen from a bias fan on social media. And there's no shortage of those dudes.

And again, nobody is saying Jimmy didn't play a big part. Which is what makes this so comical.

Where's yours?? where's the film and data? I'm all ears man.

I'm sorry what's bias about PFF showing literal all-22 plays and missed reads. You calling Greg Cosell biased too? He said the same damn thing after that game.

what's biased about showing how disgustingly bad Jimmy was via stats? I didn't know QB rating INTS and horrible completion % was all biased?

also I'm not saying he was the only issue. I will disagree with you or whomever saying Kyle was the main reason for losing two games.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Lol. Where's your fan based content breakdown of the run blocking, defensive line pressure, secondary, play calling, special teams, etc.

It's literally lazy one-track minded takes stolen from a bias fan on social media. And there's no shortage of those dudes.

And again, nobody is saying Jimmy didn't play a big part. Which is what makes this so comical.

Where's yours?? where's the film and data? I'm all ears man.

I'm sorry what's bias about PFF showing literal all-22 plays and missed reads. You calling Greg Cosell biased too? He said the same damn thing after that game.

what's biased about showing how disgustingly bad Jimmy was via stats? I didn't know QB rating INTS and horrible completion % was all biased?

also I'm not saying he was the only issue. I will disagree with you or whomever saying Kyle was the main reason for losing two games.

lol... NC has a hunch and some gremlins telling him.. They can't be wrong for the 1000th time can they ?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Lol. Where's your fan based content breakdown of the run blocking, defensive line pressure, secondary, play calling, special teams, etc.

It's literally lazy one-track minded takes stolen from a bias fan on social media. And there's no shortage of those dudes.

And again, nobody is saying Jimmy didn't play a big part. Which is what makes this so comical.

Where's yours?? where's the film and data? I'm all ears man.

I'm sorry what's bias about PFF showing literal all-22 plays and missed reads. You calling Greg Cosell biased too? He said the same damn thing after that game.

what's biased about showing how disgustingly bad Jimmy was via stats? I didn't know QB rating INTS and horrible completion % was all biased?

also I'm not saying he was the only issue. I will disagree with you or whomever saying Kyle was the main reason for losing two games.

Nothing. I'm all for pointing that out. Of which we've all agreed already.

But I'm not the one solely claiming it's just Jimmy and his 9 total passing attempts in the 4Q. Obviously, there's far more to why we lost that game. The defense instantly collapsing. Penalties. Tartt. Can't run on 3rd and 4th downs. Kyle. John. Jed. cciowa.

Like I said, I don't hold the QB in (this offense) to the same weight as some of you (100% no matter what). I just see him as a part of the equation and one that will carry on into this year...just with a new name.

If this was the Bengals, Chiefs, Packers, etc. philosophy, I'd hold the QB much further up the blame-meter. Teams that all lost too, in large part, because of their QB.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
lol... NC has a hunch and some gremlins telling him.. They can't be wrong for the 1000th time can they ?

Don't pour water on them!!

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
lol... NC has a hunch and some gremlins telling him.. They can't be wrong for the 1000th time can they ?

this was his original comment I posted on.

Sadly Jimmy and the defense was usually a reason they were up 2 scores...then the bottom completely dropped out on him, the defense, the scheme and the rest of the team. Pretty epic collapses actually.

It's a Kyle-thing, I guess.

basically saying Jimmy wasn't the issue and kyle/everything around him were the reason they lost two games….but the data and film for the most part directly say that's completely wrong. But you know I just grab bias stuff and make up s**t lol.

jimmy shouldn't get all the blame and you can find plays where someone else didn't execute or the play call wasn't optimal, but he played a big part without question.