John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nothing. I'm all for pointing that out. Of which we've all agreed already.

But I'm not the one solely claiming it's just Jimmy and his 9 total passing attempts in the 4Q. Obviously, there's far more to why we lost that game. The defense instantly collapsing. Penalties. Tartt. Can't run on 3rd and 4th downs. Kyle. John. Jed. cciowa.

Like I said, I don't hold the QB in (this offense) to the same weight as some of you (100% no matter what). I just see him as a part of the equation and one that will carry on into this year...just with a new name.

If this was the Bengals, Chiefs, Packers, etc. philosophy, I'd hold the QB much further up the blame-meter. Teams that all lost too, in large part, because of their QB.

I never said it was just Jimmy….you basically said it was everything but him in the original comment I posted on. I said nope that's fake news and provided data and Film.

not holding a QB to the highest level in any NFL offense is dumb. Not only for a he the highest paid player he's touches the ball more than anyone and runs the offense whether you believe it or not.

you don't get to say this offense is hard for a QB to understand and it takes time then say you don't value them here. Sorry dude

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
lol... NC has a hunch and some gremlins telling him.. They can't be wrong for the 1000th time can they ?

this was his original comment I posted on.

Sadly Jimmy and the defense was usually a reason they were up 2 scores...then the bottom completely dropped out on him, the defense, the scheme and the rest of the team. Pretty epic collapses actually.

It's a Kyle-thing, I guess.

basically saying Jimmy wasn't the issue and kyle/everything around him were the reason they lost two games….but the data and film for the most part directly say that's completely wrong. But you know I just grab bias stuff and make up s**t lol.

jimmy shouldn't get all the blame and you can find plays where someone else didn't execute or the play call wasn't optimal, but he played a big part without question.

I literally said the bottom dropped out on him (Jimmy)...and every other aspect of the team which is what it takes to become 3-2 while the rest of the league is 23-0. The entire team collapses. That's what we do.

That trend though existed with Kyle before he got here and remains here. Epic collapses. Is it a Kyle thing???

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I never said it was just Jimmy….you basically said it was everything but him in the original comment I posted on. I said nope that's fake news and provided data and Film.

Nope. Jimmy has been very poor himself in the 4Q. I'd shout that from the roof top.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I literally said the bottom dropped out on him (Jimmy)...and every other aspect of the team which is what it takes to become 3-2 while the rest of the league is 23-0. The entire team collapses. That's what we do.

That trend though existed with Kyle before he got here and remains here. Epic collapses. Is it a Kyle thing???

Where did it happen before? He's only been the HC of the 49ers. He's lost two games in the 4th QR up 10 and both those games Jimmy was dogs**t in the 4th QR. it's not a coincidence

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nothing. I'm all for pointing that out. Of which we've all agreed already.

But I'm not the one solely claiming it's just Jimmy and his 9 total passing attempts in the 4Q. Obviously, there's far more to why we lost that game. The defense instantly collapsing. Penalties. Tartt. Can't run on 3rd and 4th downs. Kyle. John. Jed. cciowa.

Like I said, I don't hold the QB in (this offense) to the same weight as some of you (100% no matter what). I just see him as a part of the equation and one that will carry on into this year...just with a new name.

If this was the Bengals, Chiefs, Packers, etc. philosophy, I'd hold the QB much further up the blame-meter. Teams that all lost too, in large part, because of their QB.

If anything you should hold him more accountable as there are less throws per game so the misses are magnified. If guys are open you have to hit them in this offense.

Also want to point out the Benglas threw the ball 555 times to running it 436 times last season. Very similar to Kyles percentage in Atlanta. Cincinnati is a run heavy offense too.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nothing. I'm all for pointing that out. Of which we've all agreed already.

But I'm not the one solely claiming it's just Jimmy and his 9 total passing attempts in the 4Q. Obviously, there's far more to why we lost that game. The defense instantly collapsing. Penalties. Tartt. Can't run on 3rd and 4th downs. Kyle. John. Jed. cciowa.

Like I said, I don't hold the QB in (this offense) to the same weight as some of you (100% no matter what). I just see him as a part of the equation and one that will carry on into this year...just with a new name.

If this was the Bengals, Chiefs, Packers, etc. philosophy, I'd hold the QB much further up the blame-meter. Teams that all lost too, in large part, because of their QB.

If anything you should hold him more accountable as there are less throws per game so the misses are magnified. If guys are open you have to hit them in this offense.

Also want to point out the Benglas threw the ball 555 times to running it 436 times last season. Very similar to Kyles percentage in Atlanta. Cincinnati is a run heavy offense too.

no no no.. if your QB is refusing to throw... we should dial up more passing plays

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I literally said the bottom dropped out on him (Jimmy)...and every other aspect of the team which is what it takes to become 3-2 while the rest of the league is 23-0. The entire team collapses. That's what we do.

That trend though existed with Kyle before he got here and remains here. Epic collapses. Is it a Kyle thing???

Where did it happen before? He's only been the HC of the 49ers. He's lost two games in the 4th QR up 10 and both those games Jimmy was dogs**t in the 4th QR. it's not a coincidence

2 Superbowls and an NFCCG? That's kind of becoming an M.O. isn't it? Go up 2 scores...defense immediately collapses (happens in season too)...inability to regroup, get stable, weather the comeback storm? It becomes a full team free fall?

I'm not personally saying it's fair or that I subscribe to it (that's its Kyle's solo fault) but you can understand the take.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Do we lose the SB and the NFCCG if the offense scores their season ppg average?

Always gotta look at the context of the game. Not season averages. Esp. in the playoffs and against known rivals.

So throwing a stat out like you did yesterday without any context is okay but my question is invalid?

The stat is comprehensive across all teams with at least a 10 point lead in the 4Q. That makes it relevant to compare us to the rest of the league.

Now, if you can find a stat on needing to score up to a specific team average compared to all teams, sure. That would be comprehensive.

There is. If your offense scores more points than your defense gives up than your team wins 100% of the time. Offenses who average less than 24 ppg almost always sit at home and watch the playoffs from the comfort of their couches.

Well, not 100% of the time. See divisional playoff game vs GB.

Haha. True. You got me there.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I literally said the bottom dropped out on him (Jimmy)...and every other aspect of the team which is what it takes to become 3-2 while the rest of the league is 23-0. The entire team collapses. That's what we do.

That trend though existed with Kyle before he got here and remains here. Epic collapses. Is it a Kyle thing???

Where did it happen before? He's only been the HC of the 49ers. He's lost two games in the 4th QR up 10 and both those games Jimmy was dogs**t in the 4th QR. it's not a coincidence

2 Superbowls and an NFCCG? That's kind of becoming an M.O. isn't it? Go up 2 scores...defense immediately collapses (happens in season too)...inability to regroup, get stable, weather the comeback storm? It becomes a full team free fall?

I'm not personally saying it's fair or that I subscribe to it (that's its Kyle's solo fault) but you can understand the take.

if only our defense faced jimmy in those collapses

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I literally said the bottom dropped out on him (Jimmy)...and every other aspect of the team which is what it takes to become 3-2 while the rest of the league is 23-0. The entire team collapses. That's what we do.

That trend though existed with Kyle before he got here and remains here. Epic collapses. Is it a Kyle thing???

Where did it happen before? He's only been the HC of the 49ers. He's lost two games in the 4th QR up 10 and both those games Jimmy was dogs**t in the 4th QR. it's not a coincidence

2 Superbowls and an NFCCG? That's kind of becoming an M.O. isn't it? Go up 2 scores...defense immediately collapses (happens in season too)...inability to regroup, get stable, weather the comeback storm? It becomes a full team free fall?

I'm not personally saying it's fair or that I subscribe to it (that's its Kyle's solo fault) but you can understand the take.

if only our defense faced jimmy in those collapses

Haha. Problem solved!

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nothing. I'm all for pointing that out. Of which we've all agreed already.

But I'm not the one solely claiming it's just Jimmy and his 9 total passing attempts in the 4Q. Obviously, there's far more to why we lost that game. The defense instantly collapsing. Penalties. Tartt. Can't run on 3rd and 4th downs. Kyle. John. Jed. cciowa.

Like I said, I don't hold the QB in (this offense) to the same weight as some of you (100% no matter what). I just see him as a part of the equation and one that will carry on into this year...just with a new name.

If this was the Bengals, Chiefs, Packers, etc. philosophy, I'd hold the QB much further up the blame-meter. Teams that all lost too, in large part, because of their QB.

If anything you should hold him more accountable as there are less throws per game so the misses are magnified. If guys are open you have to hit them in this offense.

Also want to point out the Benglas threw the ball 555 times to running it 436 times last season. Very similar to Kyles percentage in Atlanta. Cincinnati is a run heavy offense too.

I hear this. This is what I've been saying too. With a pass centric offense, Stafford can throw 2 picks, maybe 2 more near picks and still win a game in today's NFL. In our system where the QB throws just 9 times in the 4Q, every throw is a must with a massive spotlight on it. You just can't make mistakes.

I've genuinely been a tad worried about this for Trey TBH. Every throw is already going to be microdetailed as it is but the importance of those low-volume throws will be crucial. Any mistakes and it's going to look fugly and overexaggerated (fans).

Originally posted by NCommand:
2 Superbowls and an NFCCG? That's kind of becoming an M.O. isn't it? Go up 2 scores...defense immediately collapses (happens in season too)...inability to regroup, get stable, weather the comeback storm? It becomes a full team free fall?

I'm not personally saying it's fair or that I subscribe to it (that's its Kyle's solo fault) but you can understand the take.

He wasn't the HC in ATL last I checked? Not sure why people still pretend that was Kyle's team and Dan Quinn wasn't the actual HC. That's like blaming Bill O'Brien for the Pats lose in 2011. Or Dean Pees in 2007

The two games you're referring two are the two games I'm talking about in regards to Jimmy's horrible 4th QRs...and by horrible I mean like all-time bad. stats and film back it up. I'm not saying it's 100% his fault for the loses, so much what ifs go into all of that...but he played historically poor and how that isn't one of the main reason is beyond me.

Regardless time to move on.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
2 Superbowls and an NFCCG? That's kind of becoming an M.O. isn't it? Go up 2 scores...defense immediately collapses (happens in season too)...inability to regroup, get stable, weather the comeback storm? It becomes a full team free fall?

I'm not personally saying it's fair or that I subscribe to it (that's its Kyle's solo fault) but you can understand the take.

He wasn't the HC in ATL last I checked? Not sure why people still pretend that was Kyle's team and Dan Quinn wasn't the actual HC.

The two games you're referring two are the two games I'm talking about in regards to Jimmy's horrible 4th QRs...and by horrible I mean like all-time bad. stats and film back it up.

It doesn't matter. When his offense needed to make 1 play to win a Superbowl, he couldn't get it out of his MVP QB, record breaking offense and MVP caliber WR or running game.

The patterns are the same. That's why he gets the "choke" label, right or wrong.

So if that same pattern holds under a 3rd QB, there you go.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
2 Superbowls and an NFCCG? That's kind of becoming an M.O. isn't it? Go up 2 scores...defense immediately collapses (happens in season too)...inability to regroup, get stable, weather the comeback storm? It becomes a full team free fall?

I'm not personally saying it's fair or that I subscribe to it (that's its Kyle's solo fault) but you can understand the take.

He wasn't the HC in ATL last I checked? Not sure why people still pretend that was Kyle's team and Dan Quinn wasn't the actual HC.

The two games you're referring two are the two games I'm talking about in regards to Jimmy's horrible 4th QRs...and by horrible I mean like all-time bad. stats and film back it up.

It doesn't matter. When his offense needed to make 1 play to win a Superbowl, he couldn't get it out of his MVP QB, record breaking offense and MVP caliber WR or running game.

The patterns are the same. That's why he gets the "choke" label, right or wrong.

So if that same pattern holds under a 3rd QB, there you go.

now NC is just trolling lol

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
2 Superbowls and an NFCCG? That's kind of becoming an M.O. isn't it? Go up 2 scores...defense immediately collapses (happens in season too)...inability to regroup, get stable, weather the comeback storm? It becomes a full team free fall?

I'm not personally saying it's fair or that I subscribe to it (that's its Kyle's solo fault) but you can understand the take.

He wasn't the HC in ATL last I checked? Not sure why people still pretend that was Kyle's team and Dan Quinn wasn't the actual HC.

The two games you're referring two are the two games I'm talking about in regards to Jimmy's horrible 4th QRs...and by horrible I mean like all-time bad. stats and film back it up.

It doesn't matter. When his offense needed to make 1 play to win a Superbowl, he couldn't get it out of his MVP QB, record breaking offense and MVP caliber WR or running game.

The patterns are the same. That's why he gets the "choke" label, right or wrong.

So if that same pattern holds under a 3rd QB, there you go.

now NC is just trolling lol

Haha. I love Kyle. But he's had some epic team collapses in the biggest moments.