John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by NCommand:
Anyone pick up MeSean Jackson yet?

Faiders I believe

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
If Lynch gets canned.. Does Adam Peters get promoted to replace him?

Safest bet, honestly.

Scariest bet. Need to go outside. Peters has been attached by the hip. Hell no. He's got as much input in the evaluation process so that's a big no for me. Tells me his eye for talent is s**t.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Anyone pick up MeSean Jackson yet?

Faiders I believe

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
If Lynch gets canned.. Does Adam Peters get promoted to replace him?

Safest bet, honestly.

with how s**tty our team is.. do we go safe or get someone from the outside. do you get a guy with experience or a rookie like lynch again. i hate lynch so much

Cc, a question. If lynch is in charge of the 90, and kyle is in charge of the 45, doesn't that make KYle the guy responsible for the lack of talent we have, the re-signings we didn't make (DeFo), as well as the long list of injured moneyball players we have? Because my understanding was in all things personnel, KYle has the final say. Others can make suggestions , but kyle wanted full and total control. Did i , or you , misunderstand something?

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 49erfaninAZ:

Originally posted by JR80Forever:
I think it's time to fire Lynch and see what Adam Peter's can do.

I think Peters needs to be elevated. Lunch can go to a VP role. I like Lynch but the misses on first rounders is bad.

I give Lynch a pass on 2017, Foster was right at 31, a steal, he went complete moron off the field, Saban lied to us, it's like we can't blame Aldon for what he ended up becoming when he would have been the highest paid defender.

2018, ok, McGlinchey looks not so good now, Pettis sucked, but we got Warner, like we did Kittle in 2017, 2 All Pro's

2019 Bosa is a stud, Deebo a stud, Hurd bad pick, Greenlaw a steal, Mitch good, even for a 4th rd pick

2020 Aiyuk looks like he could be a star, jury is out on Kinlaw, he could come back stronger than ever, you never know

2021, too early to say, you can't call any of the 8 picks bad, no matter if they're playing or not, Kyle likes to go with the hot hand at RB, Mitchell is that guy right now, remember previous years, he'd go with Coleman, then Breida, then Wilson, then Mostert, etc.... I do with Ambry & Lenoir would be active over Kirkpatrick & Johnson, and now Banks should be active each week.

Solomon Thomas?

I mean, ST didn't turn out well. But he was a top 5 - 10 ranked player on almost every draft expert board I saw. It unfortunately happens.

Originally posted by Fasteddy:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 49erfaninAZ:

Originally posted by JR80Forever:
I think it's time to fire Lynch and see what Adam Peter's can do.

I think Peters needs to be elevated. Lunch can go to a VP role. I like Lynch but the misses on first rounders is bad.

I give Lynch a pass on 2017, Foster was right at 31, a steal, he went complete moron off the field, Saban lied to us, it's like we can't blame Aldon for what he ended up becoming when he would have been the highest paid defender.

2018, ok, McGlinchey looks not so good now, Pettis sucked, but we got Warner, like we did Kittle in 2017, 2 All Pro's

2019 Bosa is a stud, Deebo a stud, Hurd bad pick, Greenlaw a steal, Mitch good, even for a 4th rd pick

2020 Aiyuk looks like he could be a star, jury is out on Kinlaw, he could come back stronger than ever, you never know

2021, too early to say, you can't call any of the 8 picks bad, no matter if they're playing or not, Kyle likes to go with the hot hand at RB, Mitchell is that guy right now, remember previous years, he'd go with Coleman, then Breida, then Wilson, then Mostert, etc.... I do with Ambry & Lenoir would be active over Kirkpatrick & Johnson, and now Banks should be active each week.

Solomon Thomas?

I mean, ST didn't turn out well. But he was a top 5 - 10 ranked player on almost every draft expert board I saw. It unfortunately happens.

So you think it's okay for these guys to draft based on rankings by the "draft experts"? The draft experts rankings are for us not NFL GM's. Drafting Solomon Thomas is something that I would do and that's why I'm not a NFL GM. We needed a QB (Brian Hoyer) and left two pretty good ones on the board. If we would have pulled the trigger on one of those guys like we did for Lance this year, we would actually be ahead of the 8 ball. We could have traded up for Lamar Jackson for less than it cost to trade up for Lance.

It's the GM's job to know, not guess!

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Cc, a question. If lynch is in charge of the 90, and kyle is in charge of the 45, doesn't that make KYle the guy responsible for the lack of talent we have, the re-signings we didn't make (DeFo), as well as the long list of injured moneyball players we have? Because my understanding was in all things personnel, KYle has the final say. Others can make suggestions , but kyle wanted full and total control. Did i , or you , misunderstand something?

see,., i am not sure who is in charge of anything..... i and we are always confused and will never know the truth.. was it kyle who wanted trey. was it lynch who wanted jacob., who wanted buck gone which was the start of the downfall we are in? who wanted what, who went to bat for what. that is why often times i say,,,, both are to blame. they both have turned out to be incompetent no matter who was in charge of what and who wanted who in the draft and free agency. did kyle or lynch want the jet who was a horrid signing.. did not mean to dodge the question.. but i just have no clue who is in charge of the asylum.. that is what i think they should fire both.. and then find a competent head coach and offer them the gm job to like walsh had for a few years. of course that also begs the question.. does anyone want to work for york

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Fasteddy:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by 49erfaninAZ:

Originally posted by JR80Forever:
I think it's time to fire Lynch and see what Adam Peter's can do.

I think Peters needs to be elevated. Lunch can go to a VP role. I like Lynch but the misses on first rounders is bad.

I give Lynch a pass on 2017, Foster was right at 31, a steal, he went complete moron off the field, Saban lied to us, it's like we can't blame Aldon for what he ended up becoming when he would have been the highest paid defender.

2018, ok, McGlinchey looks not so good now, Pettis sucked, but we got Warner, like we did Kittle in 2017, 2 All Pro's

2019 Bosa is a stud, Deebo a stud, Hurd bad pick, Greenlaw a steal, Mitch good, even for a 4th rd pick

2020 Aiyuk looks like he could be a star, jury is out on Kinlaw, he could come back stronger than ever, you never know

2021, too early to say, you can't call any of the 8 picks bad, no matter if they're playing or not, Kyle likes to go with the hot hand at RB, Mitchell is that guy right now, remember previous years, he'd go with Coleman, then Breida, then Wilson, then Mostert, etc.... I do with Ambry & Lenoir would be active over Kirkpatrick & Johnson, and now Banks should be active each week.

Solomon Thomas?

I mean, ST didn't turn out well. But he was a top 5 - 10 ranked player on almost every draft expert board I saw. It unfortunately happens.

So you think it's okay for these guys to draft based on rankings by the "draft experts"? The draft experts rankings are for us not NFL GM's. Drafting Solomon Thomas is something that I would do and that's why I'm not a NFL GM. We needed a QB (Brian Hoyer) and left two pretty good ones on the board. If we would have pulled the trigger on one of those guys like we did for Lance this year, we would actually be ahead of the 8 ball. We could have traded up for Lamar Jackson for less than it cost to trade up for Lance.

It's the GM's job to know, not guess!

First, this is a healthy conversation given where things are at. We have a lot of interesting pieces.

As to our point on ST - No, I'm saying the player was universally graded high by experts. This is complete Monday Morning QBing as to ST as a prospect is all.

Your comment about need is very on-point for that draft. The question is was a QB a higher priority for us... as at the time we had two high quality DTs on the roster, and we needed pure DEs if they were available.

Someone earlier made a comment about moneyball moves. I think ST was drafted, knowing that we had both DB and AA and would not be able to pay both. We, of course, tried again with Kinlaw after the trade.

My real point, I see the logic in what they've done. We clearly have some significant question marks on the roster. Where we're at, we just made a big bet on Lance. After '22, if things aren't on the upswing with some experience and another offseason, all the questions everyone is making about Lynch, Shanahan, etc are going to be a real topic for the niners. But that would be the '22 - '23 offseason >> '23 season. My two cents.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Okay this was our defensive roster yesterday.

S-career backup Wilson (no one heard of this dude before he got here) and 5th rd Hufanga
DBs-Mosely/Kirkpatrick/Norman/K Williams/DJ.

You can't tell me that's not one of the worst secondaries in football SF spent to draft picks on CB and both are inactive over those losers??

LBers-Warner (playing like junk) Al-Shaair/Marcell Harris

Warner has been awful this yr and the other two are UDFAs one switching from S to LBer overall junk.

DL-AA/Bosa/Key/Street/DJ/Willis/Ebukam

They waived Kerr who was really one of their only space eaters. Ebukam is a waste of space and has no idea how to pass rush. Bosa is literally the only guy that's consistent with pressure. AA is a jack of all trades and a master of none. All the other names are backup talents AT BEST.

I mean who the f**k looks at this personnel and thinks it's a good defensive roster?

Lynch and player/pro personnel need to be fired.

Everyone zeroes in on FA and draft picks but cap management is something that should be more focused on with Lynch and that also brings Paraag into question.

We're paying a lot of money for average and often injured players with no out in their contracts or backloaded deals and that's hurting us.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Everyone zeroes in on FA and draft picks but cap management is something that should be more focused on with Lynch and that also brings Paraag into question.

We're paying a lot of money for average and often injured players with no out in their contracts or backloaded deals and that's hurting us.

Yeah Jimmie Ward

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by GEEK:
Peters has run point on draft scouting and calibration. He's as much a contributor as Lynch and Shanahan to the process.

I want outside blood in the FO.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
If Lynch gets canned.. Does Adam Peters get promoted to replace him?

Safest bet, honestly.

Yeah until we can understand a bit more how the war room has been ran, it's hard to say. If it has been John and Kyle overruling scouts by listening too much to position coaches' draft crushes (many articles had Koucerk lobbying hard for Kinlaw, medical be damned) then I say John should be held responsible but if all personnel management sign off on that BS, then they all need to go.

I suspect the dynamics in the draft room are fairly similar across the league. Coaches move around from team to team and with them come ideas. The NFL is a copycat league so if one team found a better way to make draft picks every team would copy it. The biggest secret in the NFL is there are no secrets. Between the media and guys tweeting stuff gets leaked all the time.

Originally posted by DocMcstuffins:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
If Lynch gets canned.. Does Adam Peters get promoted to replace him?

Safest bet, honestly.

Scariest bet. Need to go outside. Peters has been attached by the hip. Hell no. He's got as much input in the evaluation process so that's a big no for me. Tells me his eye for talent is s**t.

Peter's deserves just as much blame as Kyle and Lynch. We should probably just got ahead and fire lynch and peters whilst giving Kyle the so called offense genius one more year to probe his worth as an head coach.

Originally posted by Fasteddy:
I mean, ST didn't turn out well. But he was a top 5 - 10 ranked player on almost every draft expert board I saw. It unfortunately happens.

He was a top 5-10 ranked player in a position we already had depth in. That type of s**t certainly doesn't (shouldn't) happen, and Lynch shouldn't get a pass. I'm no football guru but I was absolutely perplexed by picking Thomas so high when we had Buck and Armstead holding down the position.

The fact that the S.Thomas pick isn't their biggest blunder is f**king alarming.