John Lynch - 49ers GM

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
I count many Rams fans as friends. I haven't crossed paths with one of them yet who is happy with this trade. Most are upset and believe it will backfire.

Also keep in mind that Shanahan was hired by Jed York first and HE brought in John Lynch. This means Shanahan retains some control over personnel decisions. I don't think the 49ers were ever really that interested in acquiring Stafford, but played the interest game to drive up the price.

Besides, the 49ers need linemen, not skill players. Expect them to address the offensive line positions in the upcoming draft.

This does not mean signing Trent Williams to some ridiculous, bloated contract. Lynch and Shanahan can find a much cheaper and better alternative in the upcoming draft.

There´s some people who weirdly think that Lynch is alone on the decision process. It´s Shanahan the boss.
He´s the one that decides at the end of the day.
If he wanted that badly Stafford, they would probably have put two first rounders on the table.
Well Detroit didn´t want Carolina top 10 apparently so I don´t know what would happen anyway in that case.^^

Agree. Shanahan is a big part of any talent acquisition decision. Afterall, he will be the one to develop and coach the player. It's one thing to just bring in the player, but I would think that would be just 1/3 of the process. Developing (getting him faster, stronger, smarter) is the other 1/3 and then coaching (teaching him the schemes and putting him in with the rest of the team) is the final 1/3. I would think it's -in a sense - 1/3 John Lynch and 2/3 Kyle.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
So I'm in the camp of don't draft a top QB for a team that's mid SB window. If we're staring over at QB, don't comply to Trent Williams price and essentially look at letting go any player who's close to or over 30. For me it makes no sense to rebuild at QB and keep players like Juice, Ward, etc. Don't sell fans that the team is even close to the playoffs and just be honest about another losing season. Draft a CB high and higher picks for OL and Edge with depth at WR. Focus cap space on resigning Warner and future Bosa. Deebo will be cheap cause injury prone and size/speed ratio.

49ers need to either fully go with Jimmy and the team they need to build around him OR start over at QB and all the losses that comes with that.

Can we get lucky if a player drops? Yes but that still has nothing to do with the team that needs to be built around the starter.

You make some good points here. It almost seems like they are trying to keep the team together even when they know some key players are going to be leaving if they stay with Jimmy. If they aren't willing to make a bold move and get another QB then they really need to be aggressive and build a wall around Jimmy because if he gets hurt again next year, that's the end for him. If they lose Williams because they keep Jimmy and can't afford Trent then Jimmy is more vulnerable. I hate trading away draft picks but at the same time you never really know what those picks will bring. Collecting a lot of 1st and 2nd round picks is great for bad teams like the Lions or like the Dolhins and Jets. They need them to build since they are basically starting from scratch.

The rams are in a tough position and have to roll with what they have and hope they don't have any injuries. The 49ers, on the other hand, are in a great position this year to move past both Seadderall and the Lambs. 49ers have a good cap situation and good draft capital, and it's (I think) shaping up to be a bonanza of free agency players (due to the cap dropping) for the 49ers because a lot of good teams will be letting go some very good players for the 49ers to fill in the cracks with.

For me, the basic idea is protect Jimmy, and give Jimmy more weapons. Jimmy is the perfect QB for Kyle's *short* passing game. This offense isn't the air Coryell offense that needs a wickedly strong arm that can throw the bombs like a Matt Stafford. Build up that OLine, more depth and talent at RB, and defense defense defense. When the 49ers had an edge rusher in 2019 that can shut down opposing passing teams, Jimmy was 100% healthy. That's really the beef with Jimmy -- Health. If ShanaLynch attacks the Health issue with everything they have this year, 2021 I think, is going to be a fantastic year.

P.S. get more depth at QB too! Maybe a young mobile QB with some raw arm talent!

Originally posted by awp8912:
Waking up now and I just can't believe these guys didn't get Matthew Stafford.

How dumb do you have to be as an organization not to make that trade? Total lack of self-awareness. The Rams moved on from a guy who they spent multiple 1st round picks on and drafted themselves! And yet Shanahan is insistent keeping an almost 30 year old Patriots reject QB who is made of glass and shrinks like Costanza's pants under pressure.

I get not selling the farm on Watson and this FO should have realized the situation they were in ever since their names were floating around the media about being a landing spot for Watson. They knew right away no way in hell they'd trade 3-4 1sts for Watson. Anyone good at this game would have snatched Stafford just on those merits alone much less the obvious indisputable fact that Stafford is worth 2 1st round picks on this win-now team!

I've always hated Lynch and I've always hated Shanahan's choices at QB. Please both of ya'll go now

WAIT!

"Originally posted by awp8912 (Jan 30, 2021 at 10:35 PM) in: https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/free-agency/194671-possible-deshaun-watson-trade/page166/

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"f**k this FO and Shanahan. Stupid f**ks. McVay had the balls/wisdom/humility to admit to himself and his team that Goff wasn't good enough and despite Goff being eons ahead of Jimmy Garbage, this team has zero urgency and over values their draft picks like a bunch of coupon cutting old women. If you actually think Shanahan or this FO can evaluate QBs and will choose the right one then you haven't been paying attention. For all I know this clowns actually believe Jimmy is a top 10 QB in this league. Shanahan passed on Mahomes and Watson and then chose Beathard later on........why would you EVER think this dude can pick a good QB?

Schaub, Hoyer, Beathard, Jimmy, Mullens......the list goes on and on all sub par football players pretending to be NFL QBs. To think these cheap b*****ds couldn't fork over 2 1sts for Stafford is absurd!!!

Looking forward to our next HC and GM team. f**k these guys."



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Lynch and Kyle worry me when it comes to the draft: Considering they drafted Solomon Thomas over Watson and Mahomes, McCaffrey makes me question if they'll be able to draft a Franchise QB. Really wanted Wirfs last year as well. He could've easily played Guard too.

Originally posted by MrNineSeven:
Lynch and Kyle worry me when it comes to the draft: Considering they drafted Solomon Thomas over Watson and Mahomes, McCaffrey makes me question if they'll be able to draft a Franchise QB. Really wanted Wirfs last year as well. He could've easily played Guard too.

The Solomon/Reuben pick was in their first year, Kinlaw seems to be a solid pick, Aiyuk seems to be a solid pick, and Colton McKivitz seems to have played alright as a guard - so the 2020 draft was a hell of a lot better than the AJ Jenkins draft, for sure. ShanaLynch seems to have learned their lessons on the Pettis and Hurd misfires and are choosing players better after those bad picks. (Aiyuk and Deebo)

Going forward, they are loaded with 10 draft picks and can use those picks to fill in the gaps once they get done with getting some good free agent talent in March. I can see them getting a good free agent Center, sighing Trent Williams, beef up the defense with all the free agents that will be available with the cap dropping the way it is.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by awp8912:

Waking up now and I just can't believe these guys didn't get Matthew Stafford.

How dumb do you have to be as an organization not to make that trade? Total lack of self-awareness. The Rams moved on from a guy who they spent multiple 1st round picks on and drafted themselves! And yet Shanahan is insistent keeping an almost 30 year old Patriots reject QB who is made of glass and shrinks like Costanza's pants under pressure.

I get not selling the farm on Watson and this FO should have realized the situation they were in ever since their names were floating around the media about being a landing spot for Watson. They knew right away no way in hell they'd trade 3-4 1sts for Watson. Anyone good at this game would have snatched Stafford just on those merits alone much less the obvious indisputable fact that Stafford is worth 2 1st round picks on this win-now team!

I've always hated Lynch and I've always hated Shanahan's choices at QB. Please both of ya'll go now

He is, it's cause Matt Stafford really had a lot of dog in him.

Originally posted by Giedi:
The Solomon/Reuben pick was in their first year, Kinlaw seems to be a solid pick, Aiyuk seems to be a solid pick, and Colton McKivitz seems to have played alright as a guard - so the 2020 draft was a hell of a lot better than the AJ Jenkins draft, for sure. ShanaLynch seems to have learned their lessons on the Pettis and Hurd misfires and are choosing players better after those bad picks. (Aiyuk and Deebo)

Going forward, they are loaded with 10 draft picks and can use those picks to fill in the gaps once they get done with getting some good free agent talent in March. I can see them getting a good free agent Center, sighing Trent Williams, beef up the defense with all the free agents that will be available with the cap dropping the way it is.

So are they going to rework Jimmy's contract to create the space to sign all those free agents and Trent Williams? Just asking how they can do that with so little cap room available.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Giedi:
The Solomon/Reuben pick was in their first year, Kinlaw seems to be a solid pick, Aiyuk seems to be a solid pick, and Colton McKivitz seems to have played alright as a guard - so the 2020 draft was a hell of a lot better than the AJ Jenkins draft, for sure. ShanaLynch seems to have learned their lessons on the Pettis and Hurd misfires and are choosing players better after those bad picks. (Aiyuk and Deebo)

Going forward, they are loaded with 10 draft picks and can use those picks to fill in the gaps once they get done with getting some good free agent talent in March. I can see them getting a good free agent Center, sighing Trent Williams, beef up the defense with all the free agents that will be available with the cap dropping the way it is.

So are they going to rework Jimmy's contract to create the space to sign all those free agents and Trent Williams? Just asking how they can do that with so little cap room available.

Looking at the numbers, they just have to at some point in the off season to ask Jimmy G to rework it to help them. If not I still think a trade could be in the works, not that I'm asking for one but its a long off season and a lot can happen in a month.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Giedi:
The Solomon/Reuben pick was in their first year, Kinlaw seems to be a solid pick, Aiyuk seems to be a solid pick, and Colton McKivitz seems to have played alright as a guard - so the 2020 draft was a hell of a lot better than the AJ Jenkins draft, for sure. ShanaLynch seems to have learned their lessons on the Pettis and Hurd misfires and are choosing players better after those bad picks. (Aiyuk and Deebo)

Going forward, they are loaded with 10 draft picks and can use those picks to fill in the gaps once they get done with getting some good free agent talent in March. I can see them getting a good free agent Center, sighing Trent Williams, beef up the defense with all the free agents that will be available with the cap dropping the way it is.

So are they going to rework Jimmy's contract to create the space to sign all those free agents and Trent Williams? Just asking how they can do that with so little cap room available.

Paraag has done a masterful front loading job on the biggest contracts. DeeFord, Richburg, and Jimmy. That says it all. It's a brilliant strategy, it's a very disciplined strategy, it's a very courageous strategy. Imagine playing a billion dollars to a Dee Ford and *gambling* whether he can play a game or not. That's rolling the dice, and that's pretty brave IMO because you eat the disaster if it goes wrong. Ask AB81, none of the big contracts we have present any restructuring problems -- all the leverage is with the 49ers. I agree with AB81 - we are in good cap health and can do pretty much what we want in the free agency market (as long as it makes common sense and within basic money ball principles).

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Giedi:
The Solomon/Reuben pick was in their first year, Kinlaw seems to be a solid pick, Aiyuk seems to be a solid pick, and Colton McKivitz seems to have played alright as a guard - so the 2020 draft was a hell of a lot better than the AJ Jenkins draft, for sure. ShanaLynch seems to have learned their lessons on the Pettis and Hurd misfires and are choosing players better after those bad picks. (Aiyuk and Deebo)

Going forward, they are loaded with 10 draft picks and can use those picks to fill in the gaps once they get done with getting some good free agent talent in March. I can see them getting a good free agent Center, sighing Trent Williams, beef up the defense with all the free agents that will be available with the cap dropping the way it is.

So are they going to rework Jimmy's contract to create the space to sign all those free agents and Trent Williams? Just asking how they can do that with so little cap room available.

Looking at the numbers, they just have to at some point in the off season to ask Jimmy G to rework it to help them. If not I still think a trade could be in the works, not that I'm asking for one but its a long off season and a lot can happen in a month.

They don't need to trade Jimmy if he doesn't rework his contract, but it actually *will* benefit him if he DOES restructure, not hurt him in any way.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
He is, it's cause Matt Stafford really had a lot of dog in him.

Correct! And your boy Jimmy has zero. Looks like I was right all along. Deport Jimmy Please

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by awp8912:
Waking up now and I just can't believe these guys didn't get Matthew Stafford.

How dumb do you have to be as an organization not to make that trade? Total lack of self-awareness. The Rams moved on from a guy who they spent multiple 1st round picks on and drafted themselves! And yet Shanahan is insistent keeping an almost 30 year old Patriots reject QB who is made of glass and shrinks like Costanza's pants under pressure.

I get not selling the farm on Watson and this FO should have realized the situation they were in ever since their names were floating around the media about being a landing spot for Watson. They knew right away no way in hell they'd trade 3-4 1sts for Watson. Anyone good at this game would have snatched Stafford just on those merits alone much less the obvious indisputable fact that Stafford is worth 2 1st round picks on this win-now team!

I've always hated Lynch and I've always hated Shanahan's choices at QB. Please both of ya'll go now

WAIT!

"Originally posted by awp8912 (Jan 30, 2021 at 10:35 PM) in: https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/free-agency/194671-possible-deshaun-watson-trade/page166/

:

"f**k this FO and Shanahan. Stupid f**ks. McVay had the balls/wisdom/humility to admit to himself and his team that Goff wasn't good enough and despite Goff being eons ahead of Jimmy Garbage, this team has zero urgency and over values their draft picks like a bunch of coupon cutting old women. If you actually think Shanahan or this FO can evaluate QBs and will choose the right one then you haven't been paying attention. For all I know this clowns actually believe Jimmy is a top 10 QB in this league. Shanahan passed on Mahomes and Watson and then chose Beathard later on........why would you EVER think this dude can pick a good QB?

Schaub, Hoyer, Beathard, Jimmy, Mullens......the list goes on and on all sub par football players pretending to be NFL QBs. To think these cheap b*****ds couldn't fork over 2 1sts for Stafford is absurd!!!

Looking forward to our next HC and GM team. f**k these guys."



PERSONAL FOUL, REUSING AN ARGUMENT THAT WAS FUNNY BECAUSE OP WENT "NUCLEAR" IN ANOTHER THREAD, THE RESULT OF THE PENALTY IS A LOSS OF POST! RESUME THREAD.

You had me at breasts.

Originally posted by niners94:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

False. It was reported by Benjamin Allbright that they were never really in play. Sorry. Like this.

Entertaining with the right price is different than being real players in negotiations.

I think i will take John Lynch over Benjamin Allbright.

Allbright got no reason to lie. Lynch does.

Lynch didn't lie either...he was very careful with his language/wording.

Lynchie has his hands full this off-season.

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