2nd round head scratchers

Originally posted by VoiceofReason:
Long time reader but first time poster. I usually give Trent B. the benefit of the doubt when it comes to decisions on who the 49ers keep or don't keep, sign or don't sign. But there is very specific area that he has always confused me...2nd round picks!!! This isn't crying over spilled milk because I never liked or understood several of his 2nd round picks. Trent drafted Taylor Mays, LaMichael James, Carlos Hyde and now Tartt in the 2nd round. I didn't like any of the picks when they were made. Don't get me wrong, I like Carlos Hyde and have high hopes for him this year. But when we drafted him I thought there were more pressing needs than a RB. The other three picks just infuriated me and in my opinion were wasted picks from the start. How do you build a winning team when you keep wasting second round picks? Does anyone else feel the same way?

I think late first round picks are confusing as well. A.J. Jenkins, He passed on Alshon Jeffrey. Jimmy Ward a safety moved to nickel when they could of had Roby.

Originally posted by GORO:

Originally posted by VoiceofReason:
Long time reader but first time poster. I usually give Trent B. the benefit of the doubt when it comes to decisions on who the 49ers keep or don't keep, sign or don't sign. But there is very specific area that he has always confused me...2nd round picks!!! This isn't crying over spilled milk because I never liked or understood several of his 2nd round picks. Trent drafted Taylor Mays, LaMichael James, Carlos Hyde and now Tartt in the 2nd round. I didn't like any of the picks when they were made. Don't get me wrong, I like Carlos Hyde and have high hopes for him this year. But when we drafted him I thought there were more pressing needs than a RB. The other three picks just infuriated me and in my opinion were wasted picks from the start. How do you build a winning team when you keep wasting second round picks? Does anyone else feel the same way?

I think late first round picks are confusing as well. A.J. Jenkins, He passed on Alshon Jeffrey. Jimmy Ward a safety moved to nickel when they could of had Roby.

in 2011 Watt was rated the #3 DE Aldon #6 only Trent and people around him know why they liked Aldon more.

in 2012 AJ Jenkins depending on where you look was rated 7-10 for WR, Alshon was in the top 5.

I know GM's and coaches know way more about players from talking to them and being around them but it seems like Trent has a hard time judging character for players and getting a feel of how they will transition and handle the NFL.

Originally posted by SoCold:
in 2011 Watt was rated the #3 DE Aldon #6 only Trent and people around him know why they liked Aldon more.

in 2012 AJ Jenkins depending on where you look was rated 7-10 for WR, Alshon was in the top 5.

I know GM's and coaches know way more about players from talking to them and being around them but it seems like Trent has a hard time judging character for players and getting a feel of how they will transition and handle the NFL.

What percentage of our draftees and free agents have exhibited poor character and transitioning to the NFL? I thought relative to the league we've been on par. We've had arrests and a ton of them by a couple players. Aldon Smith but we've had no PED usage and a couple arrests have been dubious at best. We've had way more good and class guys than the handful of bad. SEA has a ton more questionable characters yet they seem to get a pass

Originally posted by SoCold:
^did not read

but the entire draft was a head scratcher

drafting the 11th ranked punter

drafting the 47th ranked OT

drafting two TE's and not drafting an ILB or CB

If the punter does not pan out lee is there, if he´s able to beat out Lee, we´ve saved a ton of cap space. Low risk high reward.

We needed a backup OT, usually backup OTs/OLs are drafted late, sometimes UDFs become starters and really god ( see Goodwin, Johnatan).

We signed a couple of FA ILBs, and we have 4! CB comming back from injury, all of then were picked last year for this year.

Originally posted by SoCold:
in 2011 Watt was rated the #3 DE Aldon #6 only Trent and people around him know why they liked Aldon more.

in 2012 AJ Jenkins depending on where you look was rated 7-10 for WR, Alshon was in the top 5.

I know GM's and coaches know way more about players from talking to them and being around them but it seems like Trent has a hard time judging character for players and getting a feel of how they will transition and handle the NFL.

Mayocks top 32 from 4/5/11 has Watt at 12 and Aldon at 13. His one and only mock draft has Aldon at 12 and Watt at 18.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d81f19e10/article/defense-still-rules-top-32-but-with-a-few-fresh-faces-included?module=HP_cp2

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/04/nfl-networks-mike-mayock-unveils-mock-nfl-draft-2011-nfl-draft-cam-newton-auburn/1#.VUof4vlViko

Mayocks top 100 from a few days before the draft in 2012 had Jeffery at 51 and Jenkins at 57. There were concerns with Alshon's weight and work ethic.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings

Originally posted by SoCold:
in 2011 Watt was rated the #3 DE Aldon #6 only Trent and people around him know why they liked Aldon more.

in 2012 AJ Jenkins depending on where you look was rated 7-10 for WR, Alshon was in the top 5.

I know GM's and coaches know way more about players from talking to them and being around them but it seems like Trent has a hard time judging character for players and getting a feel of how they will transition and handle the NFL.

Did you have that opinion of Aldon when he was the quickest player to 30 sacks? or are you just changing the narrative to fit your current view of the FO?

The character of players? He nailed Bowman when he had a troubled past in college, and so far Lynch looks like a steal despite his past. Aldon has been the only consistent trouble maker. Gotta take the bad with the good and give him credit for having a pretty good success rate with players with troubled pasts.

Originally posted by Hitman49:

Don't forget drafting Vance Mcdonald when Zach Ertz was on the board...TB has had more misses then hits...

Yeah but Vance wasnt given enough snaps disregard a few bad plays. Overall he is still a good TE

Originally posted by Constantine:

Originally posted by Hitman49:
Don't forget drafting Vance Mcdonald when Zach Ertz was on the board...TB has had more misses then hits...

Yeah but Vance wasnt given enough snaps disregard a few bad plays. Overall he is still a good TE

Right. Way too early to call Vance a mistake. Besides, this strange argument that "TB has had more misses than hits." Hey, no kidding?! ALL GM's have had more misses than hits.

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by SoCold:
in 2011 Watt was rated the #3 DE Aldon #6 only Trent and people around him know why they liked Aldon more.

in 2012 AJ Jenkins depending on where you look was rated 7-10 for WR, Alshon was in the top 5.

I know GM's and coaches know way more about players from talking to them and being around them but it seems like Trent has a hard time judging character for players and getting a feel of how they will transition and handle the NFL.

Did you have that opinion of Aldon when he was the quickest player to 30 sacks? or are you just changing the narrative to fit your current view of the FO?

The character of players? He nailed Bowman when he had a troubled past in college, and so far Lynch looks like a steal despite his past. Aldon has been the only consistent trouble maker. Gotta take the bad with the good and give him credit for having a pretty good success rate with players with troubled pasts.

The only thing I'm saying is he could have had Watt instead of Aldon.
I wonder why he picked Aldon over Watt?
That's all

Joe Looney is the only player on the team from the 2012 draft.
What made Trent pick AJ over the other higher rated WR's?

Originally posted by SoCold:

The only thing I'm saying is he could have had Watt instead of Aldon.
I wonder why he picked Aldon over Watt?
That's all

Joe Looney is the only player on the team from the 2012 draft.
What made Trent pick AJ over the other higher rated WR's?

Ahh k, yeah in hindsight Watt was the best player of that draft. Aldon seemed like he could be the #2 or 3 player had he not been such a head case. But that's what is so hard about the draft, hard to know what will happen once they fork over the $. Even Von Miller from that year can't stay out of trouble.

And AJ... Ugh! At the time I kind of understood the pick, had great routes and speed, good hands, seemed like what one looks for from a WR to get on the field as a rookie especially when crabs was masquerading as the #1. Now he's history.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by VoiceofReason:
Long time reader but first time poster. I usually give Trent B. the benefit of the doubt when it comes to decisions on who the 49ers keep or don't keep, sign or don't sign. But there is very specific area that he has always confused me...2nd round picks!!! This isn't crying over spilled milk because I never liked or understood several of his 2nd round picks. Trent drafted Taylor Mays, LaMichael James, Carlos Hyde and now Tartt in the 2nd round. I didn't like any of the picks when they were made. Don't get me wrong, I like Carlos Hyde and have high hopes for him this year. But when we drafted him I thought there were more pressing needs than a RB. The other three picks just infuriated me and in my opinion were wasted picks from the start. How do you build a winning team when you keep wasting second round picks? Does anyone else feel the same way?

You just gonna leave Kaepernick out?

You forgot to mention "Tank" and Vance Macdonald were both 2nd round question marks still. Balke is not that good. His EGO gets the best of him. We have 6 safeties and 3 inside LBS.

Originally posted by Marvin49:
1) Mays was really a Singletary Pick.
2) James was BPA...didn't work out.
3) Hyde was taken to play THIS year...which he will. Baalke drafts for future need, not immediate need.
3) Read the above for Tartt.

Baalke was in charge of the draft. The man in charge is responsible for every pick.

If Baalke acquiesces, the responsibility still lies with Baalke.

Mays is a Baalke pick.

Originally posted by SoCold:
^did not read

but the entire draft was a head scratcher

drafting the 11th ranked punter

drafting the 47th ranked OT

drafting two TE's and not drafting an ILB or CB

some posters explained it pretty good but you apparently haven't read it:
Baalke seems to draft a year ahead and not for immediate need most of the time.

BTW, your statement is kind of skewing the reality: the first TE was drafted in round 4 and will be developed in his first season in order to become a red-zone target and perhaps some kind of Vernon Davis-successor in some points.
The 2nd TE was drafted with a 7th-rounder, could become a Delanie Walker or a tall WR and is injured anyway, therefore he will be on IR sooner or later.

The OT you are talking about is a quite athletic one at about 350 pounds!!!!

Only the punter seems to be a head-scratcher but given the salary that the niners have to pay to Lee and Dawson, it is not very surprising that we picked one.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by SoCold:
in 2011 Watt was rated the #3 DE Aldon #6 only Trent and people around him know why they liked Aldon more.

in 2012 AJ Jenkins depending on where you look was rated 7-10 for WR, Alshon was in the top 5.

I know GM's and coaches know way more about players from talking to them and being around them but it seems like Trent has a hard time judging character for players and getting a feel of how they will transition and handle the NFL.

Did you have that opinion of Aldon when he was the quickest player to 30 sacks? or are you just changing the narrative to fit your current view of the FO?

The character of players? He nailed Bowman when he had a troubled past in college, and so far Lynch looks like a steal despite his past. Aldon has been the only consistent trouble maker. Gotta take the bad with the good and give him credit for having a pretty good success rate with players with troubled pasts.

The only thing I'm saying is he could have had Watt instead of Aldon.
I wonder why he picked Aldon over Watt?
That's all

If you look at the team at that time. It is obvious that 49ers desperately needed an OLB.

Justin Smith and Ray McDonald provided us with a good and an excellent DE.

In my estimation, picking Aldon Smith just simply made sense.

Originally posted by SoCold:
The only thing I'm saying is he could have had Watt instead of Aldon.
I wonder why he picked Aldon over Watt?
That's all

Joe Looney is the only player on the team from the 2012 draft.
What made Trent pick AJ over the other higher rated WR's?

Again and again and again...the answer is pretty simple: our biggest needs back then were at OLB, CB and QB and not on the d-line.