Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by redwood:
Just to change the momentum of this enlightening comparison of QB's and I apologize if this is hidden somewhere in this topic. What's the deal on this new surgery for Kap on his thumb? Is this for real that it took a medical staff this long to determine there was a problem?

Sounds like it. I did the same thing in HS (at football camp) and after a week I knew something was wrong. You cant ignore that kind of injury for months.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Actually Tannehill has been playing behind a crappier OL.

This is the thing with Gabbert, just to get it out of the way. He will scan the field more. He will throw to a RB. He wont launch a ball at 200Mph at a player 8 yards away. He isn't taking a bunch of stupid sacks. He's not locking onto 1 guy and forcing the issue. And he's a much cheaper option.

If we are staying objective here...

He's played with the backups to the backups at RB. Never had a chance to work with VD. Is starting for the first time in a long time. Playing in a new-ish system. So I don't expect him to be launching balls all over the place. I don't have a problem with check-downs, didn't have a problem when Alex did it either. Many of those passes the WR/TE was just a yard or two short of the sticks...that's not a QB error IMO. Additionally how many of the other WR's were open? We all know the lack of talent and the stupid play-calling. If its a sack or throw away (Kap) or a dump off (Gabbert) I will take the dump off and hope the WR/TE/RB can shake a tackle.

He played equal if not better compared to Kap, makes less cash, didn't have any real run support, and is just getting back into playing. For all of that, I think he did well considering the situation. For a spot player/backup/bridge QB at his salary...yes it makes sense and I prefer that.

Those back up RBs, especially Harris who has a higher average then Hyde, have filled in well.

Announcers in the very last game pointed out the Gabbert was taking the check down far too quick without scanning deeper.

In the very last game I remember more then once where he throw a short pass with way too much heat.

He has taken a bunch of stupid sacks and has ran out of bounds short of the scrimmage far too often.

I'd say deferring to a check down before letting anything else develop is locking on to one guy.

Saying he never got to work with VD is moot. VD was more of a detriment to both teams he played with this year then an asset.

Isn't not starting in some time a good reason to go out and try to make big plays? You got nothing to lose at the point if you're already a back up. Why not go out and try to impress to cement a starting position.

I don't have a problem with checkdowns either when they're used when needed, not as a first option. If Kap gets the 1 read and run label, Blaine is a 1 read and check down QB.

As to your point at being a spot starter/backup I have no issue with that. I'm just hoping he's not the starter next year by default. I hope there's an actual QB competition this year in the off-season unlike the past where it's been Kap and late round pickups/career back up back ups.

F*ck it lol.

Originally posted by harryj:

blindfury has a good point

no one on this team improves with kaep as qb

they only improve when kaep is removed from being qb or they leave to a different team

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by mojave45:

I get that people are either in Kaeps corner or not. I look at his play and it keeps going down hill. Some on here keep making excuses for that, but he hasn't gotten better, he has gotten worse. Yes he has shown he can have a couple of flashes of stellar moments, but the body of his work indicates that those were the exception rather than the rule. There are some who don't like him for his off field persona. I, personally, wouldn't care if he was secretly working as hit man for a drug cartel, as long he didn't get caught and get the team in trouble. I only care about how he is playing now, and how he has played consistently over the course of his time here.

There are times in every athletes career when thinks just aren't working for them. There are times in every organization where a particular athlete is not put into the position to maximize their potential, for whatever reason. My personal belief is that he isn't gong to get better here.

He hasn't shown the ability to bring his game up, even though some say there is potential for that. His numbers went down three years straight under Harbaugh. He struggled mightily this year. Next year will bring another system into place. He hasn't shown that he has the ability to master a system he has been in for years now, let alone go into a new system and learn it in one off season . The money save on his cap hit if we let him go is not insignificant, but not as inflated as some are posting, and that money could be better spent somewhere else. A new HC is probably going to draft a new QB. Gabbert isn't our long term answer, but neither is Kaepernick.

Time to let it go.

I have a question for you. Who on offense since Kaep got there improved? Name a player.

Has Kaep had a #1 receiver in his career, ever? Has he ever played in a decent passing offense? Has he ever played in an offense that maximized his strengths? Cam has, Wilson has, why not Kaep?

As far as mastering a system. What system are you talking about? What was Harbaugh and Roman's system? He seemed to have done quite well in it when he needed to. The numbers were hardly gaudy because he played under a massively conservative coach who would just run the ball even in blowouts. Not to mention the mess of having plays called by 3 different people. Criticism of Kaep is fair, but I feel context very often never figures into it.

"He got worse every year". Everything around him got worse. Or was the expectation that he would get better with no #1 receiver, aging RB, TE that can't catch and will likely be out of football next year, and Boldin whom he made a 1000 yard receiver...still not a #1.

Compare that to all of his peers. What do they have? Stafford, Cutler, Tannehill, Ryan, Dalton all with superior pieces around them while playing mediocre football. Btu hey LOOK like QBs, though .

Why do you always deflect a comment with Kaepernck like this? I don't care who else improved or didn't. This is the Kaepernick thread. And the rest is your usual rehashed, irrelevant garbage about the cast around him while ignoring that everyone on the team is judged individually. Or you whine about what other QB's have or haven't done.

And I never said a word about how he looks. other than to say it DIDN'T matter to me.

Your "context" is nothing but a thinly veiled belief that no one else on this board has a decent opinion on this guy. That veil was lifted long ago. I get it, you like him. Everyone else with a different opinion is wrong. Fine. But the rest is just pure nonsense.

His play isn't an opinion. it is a fact. Now you can go out and post all kinds of irrelevant junk about it, but his play this year wasn't good, he has never had an overall great season, his play at best has come in flashes. And every year his numbers go downhill. Those are facts. The rest is just...nothing.

You have no concept of context.

Context? What context? The only context I get is a continuous stream of never ending ridiculous comparisons. These all conveniently leave out relevant facts of whatever player, team, or situation that doesn't suit the exact, minute, one sided, opinion being constantly,and mind numblingly repeated, over and over and over again. There is no context to the comparison that was offered.

I also dislike being impugned by insinuating I dislike Kaepernick for things I did not say. This is also typical.

Originally posted by SundayTicket:
Will be excited to see when Kaep is gone what posters will continue to talk about him while he's on another team and become complete hypocrites

they probably end up at chiefs planet with the other nut huggers

Originally posted by 16to87:

Originally posted by SundayTicket:

Will be excited to see when Kaep is gone what posters will continue to talk about him while he's on another team and become complete hypocrites

they probably end up at chiefs planet with the other nut huggers

Haha u got it before I edited it. It was fate

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by harryj:
blindfury has a good point

no one on this team improves with kaep as qb

they only improve when kaep is removed from being qb or they leave to a different team

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by mojave45:
I get that people are either in Kaeps corner or not. I look at his play and it keeps going down hill. Some on here keep making excuses for that, but he hasn't gotten better, he has gotten worse. Yes he has shown he can have a couple of flashes of stellar moments, but the body of his work indicates that those were the exception rather than the rule. There are some who don't like him for his off field persona. I, personally, wouldn't care if he was secretly working as hit man for a drug cartel, as long he didn't get caught and get the team in trouble. I only care about how he is playing now, and how he has played consistently over the course of his time here.

There are times in every athletes career when thinks just aren't working for them. There are times in every organization where a particular athlete is not put into the position to maximize their potential, for whatever reason. My personal belief is that he isn't gong to get better here.

He hasn't shown the ability to bring his game up, even though some say there is potential for that. His numbers went down three years straight under Harbaugh. He struggled mightily this year. Next year will bring another system into place. He hasn't shown that he has the ability to master a system he has been in for years now, let alone go into a new system and learn it in one off season . The money save on his cap hit if we let him go is not insignificant, but not as inflated as some are posting, and that money could be better spent somewhere else. A new HC is probably going to draft a new QB. Gabbert isn't our long term answer, but neither is Kaepernick.

Time to let it go.

I have a question for you. Who on offense since Kaep got there improved? Name a player.

Has Kaep had a #1 receiver in his career, ever? Has he ever played in a decent passing offense? Has he ever played in an offense that maximized his strengths? Cam has, Wilson has, why not Kaep?

As far as mastering a system. What system are you talking about? What was Harbaugh and Roman's system? He seemed to have done quite well in it when he needed to. The numbers were hardly gaudy because he played under a massively conservative coach who would just run the ball even in blowouts. Not to mention the mess of having plays called by 3 different people. Criticism of Kaep is fair, but I feel context very often never figures into it.

"He got worse every year". Everything around him got worse. Or was the expectation that he would get better with no #1 receiver, aging RB, TE that can't catch and will likely be out of football next year, and Boldin whom he made a 1000 yard receiver...still not a #1.

Compare that to all of his peers. What do they have? Stafford, Cutler, Tannehill, Ryan, Dalton all with superior pieces around them while playing mediocre football. Btu hey LOOK like QBs, though .

Why do you always deflect a comment with Kaepernck like this? I don't care who else improved or didn't. This is the Kaepernick thread. And the rest is your usual rehashed, irrelevant garbage about the cast around him while ignoring that everyone on the team is judged individually. Or you whine about what other QB's have or haven't done.

And I never said a word about how he looks. other than to say it DIDN'T matter to me.

Your "context" is nothing but a thinly veiled belief that no one else on this board has a decent opinion on this guy. That veil was lifted long ago. I get it, you like him. Everyone else with a different opinion is wrong. Fine. But the rest is just pure nonsense.

His play isn't an opinion. it is a fact. Now you can go out and post all kinds of irrelevant junk about it, but his play this year wasn't good, he has never had an overall great season, his play at best has come in flashes. And every year his numbers go downhill. Those are facts. The rest is just...nothing.

You have no concept of context.

Context? What context? The only context I get is a continuous stream of never ending ridiculous comparisons. These all conveniently leave out relevant facts of whatever player, team, or situation that doesn't suit the exact, minute, one sided, opinion being constantly,and mind numblingly repeated, over and over and over again. There is no context to the comparison that was offered.

I also dislike being impugned by insinuating I dislike Kaepernick for things I did not say. This is also typical.

Blindfury asked you a very relevant, very polite question (in a nice way) to make a point, and in no way implied that you disliked Kap for matters of race. You completely ignored that question because it does not fit with your narrative and went off on a tangent of nonsense and on a rather rude attack, largely because you were unable to refute the point.

Now you are playing the part of the wounded party having inferred insult, all to avoid addressing that very relevant point - who else did get better or perform on the offensive side of the ball? Or are you going to take the incredibly stupid option espoused by others than it's all Kap's fault that not one other offensive player could step up to the mark and perform.

Buchy chill out. Blindfury is the problem in this thread it's simple as that. There's some very likeable respectable people that post in this thread that actually bring a conversation and logic to the thread.

With blindfury he brings his own one sided logic, and if you disagree and bring facts to the table about disliking kap he dismisses them as if they aren't fact. And his posts are also very hypocritical with their facts when talking about kap. And blindfury had also implied a lot and alot of pages ago that posters here disliked kap for the color of his skin. I think he even used the word "majority"

I haven't followed the interaction between you and this guy and blind for a while, but blindfury is the last person u want to team up with

What's he worth these days? A 4th rounder?

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by harryj:
blindfury has a good point

no one on this team improves with kaep as qb

they only improve when kaep is removed from being qb or they leave to a different team

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by mojave45:
I get that people are either in Kaeps corner or not. I look at his play and it keeps going down hill. Some on here keep making excuses for that, but he hasn't gotten better, he has gotten worse. Yes he has shown he can have a couple of flashes of stellar moments, but the body of his work indicates that those were the exception rather than the rule. There are some who don't like him for his off field persona. I, personally, wouldn't care if he was secretly working as hit man for a drug cartel, as long he didn't get caught and get the team in trouble. I only care about how he is playing now, and how he has played consistently over the course of his time here.

There are times in every athletes career when thinks just aren't working for them. There are times in every organization where a particular athlete is not put into the position to maximize their potential, for whatever reason. My personal belief is that he isn't gong to get better here.

He hasn't shown the ability to bring his game up, even though some say there is potential for that. His numbers went down three years straight under Harbaugh. He struggled mightily this year. Next year will bring another system into place. He hasn't shown that he has the ability to master a system he has been in for years now, let alone go into a new system and learn it in one off season . The money save on his cap hit if we let him go is not insignificant, but not as inflated as some are posting, and that money could be better spent somewhere else. A new HC is probably going to draft a new QB. Gabbert isn't our long term answer, but neither is Kaepernick.

Time to let it go.

I have a question for you. Who on offense since Kaep got there improved? Name a player.

Has Kaep had a #1 receiver in his career, ever? Has he ever played in a decent passing offense? Has he ever played in an offense that maximized his strengths? Cam has, Wilson has, why not Kaep?

As far as mastering a system. What system are you talking about? What was Harbaugh and Roman's system? He seemed to have done quite well in it when he needed to. The numbers were hardly gaudy because he played under a massively conservative coach who would just run the ball even in blowouts. Not to mention the mess of having plays called by 3 different people. Criticism of Kaep is fair, but I feel context very often never figures into it.

"He got worse every year". Everything around him got worse. Or was the expectation that he would get better with no #1 receiver, aging RB, TE that can't catch and will likely be out of football next year, and Boldin whom he made a 1000 yard receiver...still not a #1.

Compare that to all of his peers. What do they have? Stafford, Cutler, Tannehill, Ryan, Dalton all with superior pieces around them while playing mediocre football. Btu hey LOOK like QBs, though .

Why do you always deflect a comment with Kaepernck like this? I don't care who else improved or didn't. This is the Kaepernick thread. And the rest is your usual rehashed, irrelevant garbage about the cast around him while ignoring that everyone on the team is judged individually. Or you whine about what other QB's have or haven't done.

And I never said a word about how he looks. other than to say it DIDN'T matter to me.

Your "context" is nothing but a thinly veiled belief that no one else on this board has a decent opinion on this guy. That veil was lifted long ago. I get it, you like him. Everyone else with a different opinion is wrong. Fine. But the rest is just pure nonsense.

His play isn't an opinion. it is a fact. Now you can go out and post all kinds of irrelevant junk about it, but his play this year wasn't good, he has never had an overall great season, his play at best has come in flashes. And every year his numbers go downhill. Those are facts. The rest is just...nothing.

You have no concept of context.

Context? What context? The only context I get is a continuous stream of never ending ridiculous comparisons. These all conveniently leave out relevant facts of whatever player, team, or situation that doesn't suit the exact, minute, one sided, opinion being constantly,and mind numblingly repeated, over and over and over again. There is no context to the comparison that was offered.

I also dislike being impugned by insinuating I dislike Kaepernick for things I did not say. This is also typical.

Blindfury asked you a very relevant, very polite question (in a nice way) to make a point, and in no way implied that you disliked Kap for matters of race. You completely ignored that question because it does not fit with your narrative and went off on a tangent of nonsense and on a rather rude attack, largely because you were unable to refute the point.

Now you are playing the part of the wounded party having inferred insult, all to avoid addressing that very relevant point - who else did get better or perform on the offensive side of the ball? Or are you going to take the incredibly stupid option espoused by others than it's all Kap's fault that not one other offensive player could step up to the mark and perform.

I think the fact nobody around him improved actually illustrates a very specific point against him. Great QB's make the people around them better. They elevate their play. Brady throws to garbage besides Gronk and puts up good stats and wins games, Everyone Manning has ever thrown too was worse away from him, Even in bad seasons this year for Rogers, James Jones experienced a mini career resurgence just being in his presence and Crabtree is looking pretty dang good playing with Carr.
Now to be clear this doesn't make him a bad QB, but it is a pretty big mark against calling him a great one and unfortunately he wants to be paid like a great one. How this year went brought his salary down enough that he will and should get another year to prove it, but it seems like he is a guy more like Stafford or Dalton that has to have an elite receiver, great protection and a good running game around him to be a winner and without all that he has slowly eroded to the point that this year when we were at our worst he became completely non functional.

Originally posted by pete98146:

What's he worth these days? A 4th rounder?

If the 49ers are going to cut him why would someone trade for him?

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I think the fact nobody around him improved actually illustrates a very specific point against him. Great QB's make the people around them better. They elevate their play. Brady throws to garbage besides Gronk and puts up good stats and wins games, Everyone Manning has ever thrown too was worse away from him, Even in bad seasons this year for Rogers, James Jones experienced a mini career resurgence just being in his presence and Crabtree is looking pretty dang good playing with Carr.
Now to be clear this doesn't make him a bad QB, but it is a pretty big mark against calling him a great one and unfortunately he wants to be paid like a great one. How this year went brought his salary down enough that he will and should get another year to prove it, but it seems like he is a guy more like Stafford or Dalton that has to have an elite receiver, great protection and a good running game around him to be a winner and without all that he has slowly eroded to the point that this year when we were at our worst he became completely non functional.

IMHO, Colin Kaepernick has been exposed. When pressured he's deplorable....worst in the league. You add his long windy delivery and it's a recipe for disaster UNLESS the team that he plays for has one of the best offensive lines in the game. If he can find such a team, he's a good QB.

He's too much of a liability to invest in unless a team is desperate or is looking for a backup QB. That said, he's had some success in the NFL and he has a bit of value...maybe 4th round trade value but that's about it.

Originally posted by BobS:

This is all Gabbert's fault. Ever since he took 9 sacks and lost to Cleveland the Kaepernick fans have been re-energized and back to living in the past. I just hope he takes them with him when he leaves, nothing is more annoying. The love for him is like nothing I have ever seen before. Usually once a player's production goes downhill he gets tossed aside by the fan base, not Kap. Go to the Redskin form I belong to, there isn't one RG3 supporter left, this place is like no other.

good point about Gabbert but I would point to more than just that one game against the sorry Browns.
It would be easier for most to move on from Kaepernick if there was someone to look forward to moving on to but there isn't.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

I think the fact nobody around him improved actually illustrates a very specific point against him. Great QB's make the people around them better. They elevate their play. Brady throws to garbage besides Gronk and puts up good stats and wins games, Everyone Manning has ever thrown too was worse away from him, Even in bad seasons this year for Rogers, James Jones experienced a mini career resurgence just being in his presence and Crabtree is looking pretty dang good playing with Carr.
Now to be clear this doesn't make him a bad QB, but it is a pretty big mark against calling him a great one and unfortunately he wants to be paid like a great one. How this year went brought his salary down enough that he will and should get another year to prove it, but it seems like he is a guy more like Stafford or Dalton that has to have an elite receiver, great protection and a good running game around him to be a winner and without all that he has slowly eroded to the point that this year when we were at our worst he became completely non functional.

Very good post.

18th highest salary next year is being paid like a great one?