Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Harbaalke:
Go support Gabbert then, why are you still here? There is a thread for him!

Why are you here? Go support your guy.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Is very simple, we don't live in the past.

You cease to amaze me, when the news first came out about Kap's benching, I recall very clearly you said that would be your very last post in this thread. 2 minutes later, you went on to post another 97 posts. LOL.

Is time to move on, bro! is starting to affect your health.

best post every!

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Steve and Alex's teams drastically improved later in their careers. Kaps drastically diminished.

Another point that does not get brought up.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:

Both Steve and Alex both got better as their years progressed.
Kaep on the other hand caught the league off guard and never progressed.

This is why Kaep went to Warner... He knows he has to progress and that his gimmick run the ball, bullet passes has been figured out.

Steve and Alex adjusted... Kaep hasn't yet. Keep in mind I said yet, but both these guys have been benched and in the end it's been beneficial.

When you start at such a low level there's only one way to go. Kaep started at almost the highest level you could get to. He almost won a superbowl his first year. Beat 2 contenders. Did you expect him to get better? The guy started at almost 100 QB Rating in year one. How long did it take his peers to get to that level? Many have not. Dalton has never cracked a 90 rating with all that talent and he's in year 5. He finally has a 100+ rating this year. Stafford had a 97 rating in his 3rd year then never got anywhere near there. I can go on and on. Kaep's rating in his 2nd year 90+ again. Last year his rating was in the top 10 in the 1st half of the season..then the team fell apart. So, lets say last year he sucked, right? 19TDs 10INT 86.4. Ahead of Stafford, Foles, Newton. Right behind Cutler, Eli, Flacco.

He's bad now, but some people here are going way overboard about how bad he was. Greatly exagerated. He's bad this year though...I'll concede that. Again to me it looks like people who either were on the fence or against him from the beginning making the most noise.

I don't think anyone is going overboard on how he used to be, I think most people just expect him to be the same guy.

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

What we know for sure is kaep can make the throws when he has protection

So why not protect his azz baalke !

I don't think he is using his protection. Pleas don't view me as a hater but it's my opinion. Sometimes a QB has to create protection, just as much as the oline does. I think Kaep feels pressure and runs, instead of finding the holes in the imperfect pocket and making a throw.

It's unfair to the oline, because you can't block for that. You have 7 guys rushing, and to create a perfect pocket is impossible. What the QB can do is not get happy feet, yet slide where the protection and pocket has been improvised.

I'm just saying we know he's not a pocket QB..heck those guys are hard to come by anyways, but we need to get the best guys to help him out

Hell its the reason kaep signed a friendly deal..so the 9ers can keep talent around him

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
What do you mean?

Some people are talking about Kaep can't make throws, can't play, just flat out sucks. But he wasn't like that before. So I'm more interested in finding out how and why he fell off so hard. Why did Steve Young suck with the Bucs? Why was Alex terrible in the early part of his career? It goes beyond whether you think he's a good QB or a bad one. Both sides are entrenched on either side. But WHY and HOW did Kaep go from having enough confidence to play at such a high level in the playoffs against good opposition to being afraid to throw the ball. He is mentally not right. Why?

Both Steve and Alex both got better as their years progressed.
Kaep on the other hand caught the league off guard and never progressed.

This is why Kaep went to Warner... He knows he has to progress and that his gimmick run the ball, bullet passes has been figured out.

Steve and Alex adjusted... Kaep hasn't yet. Keep in mind I said yet, but both these guys have been benched and in the end it's been beneficial.

Pretty much this. Blindfury you gotta realize bro, Alex/Young struggled in their early careers. They got better as time went on. Kaepernick came in, was playing the QB position different than the NFL had really ever come to play against, so he came in hot, Not to mention he took over a 13-3 team destined to go to the bowl without him... The biggest and most glaring fact with kaepernick is hes regressed. His numbers arent going in the right direction, his thoughts and passes are also going in the wrong direction. Russell wilson is even struggling because defenses have had a couple of years to figure out how to stop these types of quarterbacks. If Seattle didnt have such a dominant defense i wouldnt be surprised if seattle was 1-7. I see russell wilson getting the same benefits kap did, his defense is really carrying that team and hes doing "just enough" to keep them in games to squeak out wins, or to put up a few points while his defense has shut out games. When seattle loses that defense ill be very interested to see what happens to Russell Wilson.

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
I don't think anyone is going overboard on how he used to be, I think most people just expect him to be the same guy.

I think there's a group that think he is the same guy and defenses adjusted which is simply not true.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

I'm just saying we know he's not a pocket QB..heck those guys are hard to come by anyways, but we need to get the best guys to help him out

Hell its the reason kaep signed a friendly deal..so the 9ers can keep talent around him

So I ask you... How fair is that on the oline? You admit he's not a pocket QB, yet expect the oline to block outside the realm of a pocket?

Originally posted by Blindfury:

I think there's a group that think he is the same guy and defenses adjusted which is simply not true.

I'm part of that group... His legs are basically useless anymore. Who's he catching off guard anymore Flury?

Lowell Cohn firing personal shots on Kap.

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:

I don't think he is using his protection. Pleas don't view me as a hater but it's my opinion. Sometimes a QB has to create protection, just as much as the oline does. I think Kaep feels pressure and runs, instead of finding the holes in the imperfect pocket and making a throw.

It's unfair to the oline, because you can't block for that. You have 7 guys rushing, and to create a perfect pocket is impossible. What the QB can do is not get happy feet, yet slide where the protection and pocket has been improvised.

Agreed, Kap needs a good pass blocking Oline or a good play action game to keep the pressure of. He has 0 pocket presence

Originally posted by Blindfury:
When you start at such a low level there's only one way to go. Kaep started at almost the highest level you could get to. He almost won a superbowl his first year. Beat 2 contenders. Did you expect him to get better? The guy started at almost 100 QB Rating in year one. How long did it take his peers to get to that level? Many have not. Dalton has never cracked a 90 rating with all that talent and he's in year 5. He finally has a 100+ rating this year. Stafford had a 97 rating in his 3rd year then never got anywhere near there. I can go on and on. Kaep's rating in his 2nd year 90+ again. Last year his rating was in the top 10 in the 1st half of the season..then the team fell apart. So, lets say last year he sucked, right? 19TDs 10INT 86.4. Ahead of Stafford, Foles, Newton. Right behind Cutler, Eli, Flacco.

He's bad now, but some people here are going way overboard about how bad he was. Greatly exagerated. He's bad this year though...I'll concede that. Again to me it looks like people who either were on the fence or against him from the beginning making the most noise.

1800 YD's, 10 TDs in 3 INT 2012
3,200 YD's 21 TD's 8 INT 2013
3,400 YD's 19 TD's 10 INT 2014
1615 YD's 6 TD's 5 INT 2015

To refer to your first bolded, The stats above just show that he was NOT at the "highest" level you could get to. I can name a crap load of other QB's with better numbers, And all these numbers are showing me is hes regressing. He hasnt thrown 4k yards, he hasnt thrown 25 TD's yet your saying he was at the highest level possible? How low exactly are your expectations because they seem LOW.

To your second bolded, Are you telling me Alex smith is a franchise QB? Alex smith had a 90 rating in 2011, and a 100+ rating in 2012, yet we benched him. Kap took over and put up similar ratings simply because of the scheme we were running and how much our team was carrying us. I mean when you have a solid defense, a great running game, and you get to make easy completions, your rating is going to go up, alex smith proved that and look at him? Hes a Quarterback that again can not carry an offense. He puts up good rating's because he makes easy throws, easy completions for easy gains, nothing that scares a defense and have you ever watched alex since he has been on KC? 3rd and long? He always throws short of the sticks, almost 95% of the time..

Originally posted by Joecool:

Lowell Cohn firing personal shots on Kap.

f**k Cohn

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

I'm just saying we know he's not a pocket QB..heck those guys are hard to come by anyways, but we need to get the best guys to help him out

Hell its the reason kaep signed a friendly deal..so the 9ers can keep talent around him

So I ask you... How fair is that on the oline? You admit he's not a pocket QB, yet expect the oline to block outside the realm of a pocket?

Every week I see teams with sorrier QBs get a crazy amount of time to throw..even while being blitzed...

No such thing is fair. It's the gm/coach/oline job to protect the QB no matter what, even if the QB sucks

Kaep is just shell shocked and is unrepairable for now

Originally posted by solidg2000:

a QB change can make a difference to the O line
Just look at the Redskins

You about to look really stupid. Gabbert is going to be worse than Kap.