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Originally posted by DownSouth:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
How is Crabtree's injury comparable with someone charged with battery resulting in a major college program revoking it's scholarship offer (he signed a letter his letter of intent as it was his dream to play there) then testing positive for marijuana thus violating your probation and then let go by another major college program for violating your probation and ending up at a DII school thus later affecting his draft stock.

The so called baggage is far from comparable situations. Players get drafted early all the time regardless of injuries they may have suffered or are recovering from (see Jonathan Stewart in 2008 or how about Adrian Peterson from 2007)
Baggage is baggage. Injury is not the only reason CrabGREED fell in the draft. Different teams weigh certain baggage differently. Some teams avoid players with injury concerns. Other teams seriously downgrade players that have off-field issues or attitude problems. Crab went into the draft with several bags. Injury, questions as to his pure speed, attitude issues (the "diva" tag), the gimmicky offense in college, and he was a sophomore. All of those are things that hurt a player's draft status.

That is why his situation is not significantly different than that of other highly rated players that fell due to various factors. CrabGREED is no different.

Next year, he'll have all the same concerns (baggage) that he had prior to the 2009 draft, only he will have conclusively proven that he has attitude issues (the diva tag fit). A year long holdout may also raise concerns about his desire to play. Since he won't be able to workout, interview, or take a physical with any other team, the only new information teams will have on him in the 2010 draft is that he hasn't played football in a year (baggage), and that he will be hard to sign if he isn't the first WR taken (more baggage). He'll fall again. Maybe reality will finally sink in.

He may have been a RS sophomore but he dominated in his 2 years on the field and came up big in big games. Not having a timed speed hurt a little but teams could turn on the tape and see his game speed on tape. Timed speed in a pair of shorts is overrated. He may have played in a gimmick offense but that didn't stop him from being hailed one of the best if not the best player in the draft class by fans, analysts and experts alike. Again he was a big time player who really stood out as a playmaker and lots of NFL players come from gimmick offenses.

We only know of 1 team who flagged him as a diva pre-draft and he visited multiple teams. So it seems there were multiple teams who were not known to be concerned and coupled with the fact that false rumors leak every year prior to the draft the diva issue pre-draft is pretty much moot.

His issues were so small in comparison to the off the field incidents of Randy Moss. People are overblowing the whole situation now. The final weeks and days leading up to the draft no one thought he'd make it to us at number 10 and the reaction to selecting him had 49er fans everywhere abuzz because they knew of the reputation that preceeded him in college. All of a sudden people forget about that reputation of a quiet hardworking kid who displayed a good attitude.
Crabtree will sign, he will be a niner for the next 4-5 years he will score many TDs for us
I live in Houston and was just listening to a sports talk program on the radio. They had a poll in regards to what is the most disturbing thing to occur in sports out of recent events (e.g., Dunte Robinson writing "pay me" on the back of his shoes). Crabtree holding out took 66% of the poll.

The hosts went on about how they wouldn't want Crabtree on their team because this holding out for more money brings up huge questions about his desire to play football and that it really is just about the money for him. They questioned his heart and his intelligence, stating that he would be lucky to get drafted in the 3rd round since he wouldn't be able to work out for anyone or see any other team's doctor before next year's draft.

Anyway, I just found it interesting that there was such resentment towards Crabtree out here in Houston. Crabtree's reputation is trash right now.
Originally posted by valrod33:
Crabtree will sign, he will be a niner for the next 4-5 years he will score many TDs for us
Originally posted by GoldenIowa49er:
i don't even know how i'm gonna feel about crabs if we sign him at this point

Me neither, how can I root for somebody who obviously doesn't want to be here?

If he wanted to prove he was better than DHB he would have taken less money and worn the number 10, so that every time Al Davis saw a Crabtree highlight he'd remember what he could have had at pick #7.
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Originally posted by BigMar:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by a24hrdad:
Originally posted by tohara3:
Originally posted by Luca:
Originally posted by darkknight49:
Originally posted by NorCaL9er:
"For two years Michael Crabtree was arguably the face of the Tech football program.

Now eight months removed from his Tech career, there is no debate Crabtree has become the face of everything wrong with sports."

yup...
http://www.dailytoreador.com/sports/locker-crabtree-turning-into-negative-sports-symbol-1.1879256

thats a great editorial. Especially coming from his own school.

I agree great article.

Great info & breakdown article!

I agree.
"Randy Moss didn’t get paid like a top 10 pick when he slid all the way to the No. 21 selection to the Minnesota Vikings in 1998.

Why would Crabtree be any different?"

Moss fell due to his off the field incidents. Not comparable at all.


Well, if you put all this holdout stuff with the fact that his roomate at Tech was a big time drug dealer (Crabtree was in the house when the police busted in and searched the place). He has some questionable off field incidents.

How does his roommate drug dealer make that a "questionable off field incident" for him ?

Guilty by association ?





This is incredibly naive...living with a cocaine dealer is a pretty big red flag. Nobody is saying he did a few lines or even had anything to do with it. It's just an indication of the type of people he associated himself with during his tenure at Tech.

Craptree living or rooming with a "cocaine dealer"?

Is this true, and if so...... WOW

Wow what ? It was reported by ESPN and was dealt with by the DEA. If there was any doubt Crabtree had any involvement he would never have been in the NFL draft but rather behind bars. People need to get over that. Crabtree was not tied to this incident in any way other than rooming with the guy. Again it is unfair to label him guilty by association if nothing ever came of it. The DEA did there job and Crabtree was not involved. Do you think ESPN & other media outlets didn't try to dig into this as well to find a bigger story for themselves to break that involves one of the biggest college football stars in the country ?

Originally posted by valrod33:
Crabtree will sign, he will be a niner for the next 4-5 years he will score many TDs for us

Sure doesnt seem like it!
a lot of people wanna know who is having such an influence on his decision making?? ...but it sounds to me besides eugene parker and his cousin that Jerry Jones & Deion Sanders are trying to be bigshots behind the scenes and work it out so he ends up in Dallas....I say we have it investigated and I'll bet you we'll find out Jerry Jones was involved, then we better get a couple of picks for our troubles, it really sucks we waisted a first rounder on a player thats not contributing jacks**t to the team and causing nothing but distractions when we should be focusing on improving the team!!!
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by DownSouth:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
How is Crabtree's injury comparable with someone charged with battery resulting in a major college program revoking it's scholarship offer (he signed a letter his letter of intent as it was his dream to play there) then testing positive for marijuana thus violating your probation and then let go by another major college program for violating your probation and ending up at a DII school thus later affecting his draft stock.

The so called baggage is far from comparable situations. Players get drafted early all the time regardless of injuries they may have suffered or are recovering from (see Jonathan Stewart in 2008 or how about Adrian Peterson from 2007)
Baggage is baggage. Injury is not the only reason CrabGREED fell in the draft. Different teams weigh certain baggage differently. Some teams avoid players with injury concerns. Other teams seriously downgrade players that have off-field issues or attitude problems. Crab went into the draft with several bags. Injury, questions as to his pure speed, attitude issues (the "diva" tag), the gimmicky offense in college, and he was a sophomore. All of those are things that hurt a player's draft status.

That is why his situation is not significantly different than that of other highly rated players that fell due to various factors. CrabGREED is no different.

Next year, he'll have all the same concerns (baggage) that he had prior to the 2009 draft, only he will have conclusively proven that he has attitude issues (the diva tag fit). A year long holdout may also raise concerns about his desire to play. Since he won't be able to workout, interview, or take a physical with any other team, the only new information teams will have on him in the 2010 draft is that he hasn't played football in a year (baggage), and that he will be hard to sign if he isn't the first WR taken (more baggage). He'll fall again. Maybe reality will finally sink in.

He may have been a RS sophomore but he dominated in his 2 years on the field and came up big in big games. Not having a timed speed hurt a little but teams could turn on the tape and see his game speed on tape. Timed speed in a pair of shorts is overrated. He may have played in a gimmick offense but that didn't stop him from being hailed one of the best if not the best player in the draft class by fans, analysts and experts alike. Again he was a big time player who really stood out as a playmaker and lots of NFL players come from gimmick offenses.

We only know of 1 team who flagged him as a diva pre-draft and he visited multiple teams. So it seems there were multiple teams who were not known to be concerned and coupled with the fact that false rumors leak every year prior to the draft the diva issue pre-draft is pretty much moot.

His issues were so small in comparison to the off the field incidents of Randy Moss. People are overblowing the whole situation now. The final weeks and days leading up to the draft no one thought he'd make it to us at number 10 and the reaction to selecting him had 49er fans everywhere abuzz because they knew of the reputation that preceeded him in college. All of a sudden people forget about that reputation of a quiet hardworking kid who displayed a good attitude.

Browns are an NFL team who interview Crabtree::
Browns determine Crabtree is a diva::
Browns state publicly he is a diva::
Therefore all teams who determine Crabtree is a diva will state it publicly.
logic == fail;

Further more how can you in good faith sit there and tell people that we've overblown the circumstances of the situation.
Fact Crabtree wants 50% more GUARANTEED money then currently offered.
Fact Crabtree (rumored) to want more than DHB money.
Fact DHB money = 100% of the guaranteed money of 2008th 10th slot contract.
Therefore Crabtree wants a 100% increase in guaranteed money of the value of the 2008 10th slot.

Fact Crabtree wants his money NOW;
Fact he is not willing to start in a reasonable range and earn his mega contract.
Fact Crabtree believes he's better than DHB.
Fact Crabtree thinks he desrves more than DHB
Fact Crabtree will not play if he doesn't get exactly what he wants.
Therefor Crabtree is one spoiled son of gun.

In my opinion this is not a case of a player being low balled but being outlandish. 100% increase is a bit inflationary even for somebody with his skills and resume.
Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Crabtree will sign, he will be a niner for the next 4-5 years he will score many TDs for us

"yeah but, I did not inhale it. Craptree it appears he did"
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by DownSouth:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
How is Crabtree's injury comparable with someone charged with battery resulting in a major college program revoking it's scholarship offer (he signed a letter his letter of intent as it was his dream to play there) then testing positive for marijuana thus violating your probation and then let go by another major college program for violating your probation and ending up at a DII school thus later affecting his draft stock.

The so called baggage is far from comparable situations. Players get drafted early all the time regardless of injuries they may have suffered or are recovering from (see Jonathan Stewart in 2008 or how about Adrian Peterson from 2007)
Baggage is baggage. Injury is not the only reason CrabGREED fell in the draft. Different teams weigh certain baggage differently. Some teams avoid players with injury concerns. Other teams seriously downgrade players that have off-field issues or attitude problems. Crab went into the draft with several bags. Injury, questions as to his pure speed, attitude issues (the "diva" tag), the gimmicky offense in college, and he was a sophomore. All of those are things that hurt a player's draft status.

That is why his situation is not significantly different than that of other highly rated players that fell due to various factors. CrabGREED is no different.

Next year, he'll have all the same concerns (baggage) that he had prior to the 2009 draft, only he will have conclusively proven that he has attitude issues (the diva tag fit). A year long holdout may also raise concerns about his desire to play. Since he won't be able to workout, interview, or take a physical with any other team, the only new information teams will have on him in the 2010 draft is that he hasn't played football in a year (baggage), and that he will be hard to sign if he isn't the first WR taken (more baggage). He'll fall again. Maybe reality will finally sink in.

He may have been a RS sophomore but he dominated in his 2 years on the field and came up big in big games. Not having a timed speed hurt a little but teams could turn on the tape and see his game speed on tape. Timed speed in a pair of shorts is overrated. He may have played in a gimmick offense but that didn't stop him from being hailed one of the best if not the best player in the draft class by fans, analysts and experts alike. Again he was a big time player who really stood out as a playmaker and lots of NFL players come from gimmick offenses.

We only know of 1 team who flagged him as a diva pre-draft and he visited multiple teams. So it seems there were multiple teams who were not known to be concerned and coupled with the fact that false rumors leak every year prior to the draft the diva issue pre-draft is pretty much moot.

His issues were so small in comparison to the off the field incidents of Randy Moss. People are overblowing the whole situation now. The final weeks and days leading up to the draft no one thought he'd make it to us at number 10 and the reaction to selecting him had 49er fans everywhere abuzz because they knew of the reputation that preceeded him in college. All of a sudden people forget about that reputation of a quiet hardworking kid who displayed a good attitude.


Actually at least two of the top five teams (Browns and Rams) were reportedly turned off by Crabtree's act

Quote:
Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch says Texas Tech receiver Michael Crabtree has come off as a prima donna during pre-draft interviews with teams. Thomas: "There are questions about Crabtree's foot and attitude. His diva attitude during pre-draft visits turned off the Rams and the Browns (who pick fifth overall) to the point where neither team is considering Crabtree for their first-round pick." Televised interviews with Crabtree have raised questions in my mind about how the Seahawks might view him as well. Would veteran receivers T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Deion Branch and Nate Burleson be able to mentor him effectively? Might the prima donna tendencies grow worse with money in Crabtree's pockets and people around him telling him how great he is?.


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Originally posted by dirtysouthniner:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Crabtree will sign and he will be a 9er for the next 4-5 years, he will score many TDs for us




Originally posted by NeeJ49er:
a lot of people wanna know who is having such an influence on his decision making?? ...but it sounds to me besides eugene parker and his cousin that Jerry Jones & Deion Sanders are trying to be bigshots behind the scenes and work it out so he ends up in Dallas....I say we have it investigated and I'll bet you we'll find out Jerry Jones was involved, then we better get a couple of picks for our troubles, it really sucks we waisted a first rounder on a player thats not contributing jacks**t to the team and causing nothing but distractions when we should be focusing on improving the team!!!

I think the league is waiting to see how this all works out before they get involved. You can bet if Crabtree doesn't sign and holds out all year that the 49ers will file a complaint about possible tampering. The fall out could be huge but It's all a moot point though if he does sign with the 49ers. My bet is Jerry Jones' hands are dirty in this one.
[ Edited by GoldenIowa49er on Sep 16, 2009 at 9:50 AM ]
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Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Crabtree will sign, he will be a niner for the next 4-5 years he will score many TDs for us

Depends on what your definition of "be" is.
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