Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
We had a Super Bowl roster and Kyle didn't want a rookie to f**k it up. And the the luxury of actually sitting a rookie QB his first year or until he is ready rarely happens. And when teams do red shirt a player you have your success Rodgers, Rivers and Mahomes along with failures JP Losman, Brady Quinn, Jamarcus Russell and Jake Locker. I think personally if a player is ever going to be a good player he needs live reps not practices where he knows he won't get hit. Some players need to see it on film where they messed up like Peyton Manning.

Personally I don't think a player is ever gonna be "ready" by not playing. There's nothing more valuable to a player than those live reps.

Yet Big Cock Brock was ready at his first NFL snap with 0 NFL experience... there goes that platitude

On what planet should what Purdy accomplished last season be the norm? I could have sworn his performance surprised the entire league, including the Niners.

There is no winner in this argument. There are guys that sat and had success like Rodgers... who many of those "just start em" crew have admitted in the past if he and Alex were to swap places Rodgers might not of been as successful. Then you have the Peyton Mannings, which again in the age of the internet this place would call a monumental bust in his first year. Then you got the "all I can do is run" Josh Allen's juxtaposed with the Kap's. One looked all world and regressed, the other looked mediocre and grew into an All pro.

It's a total crap shoot tbph. Best you can do is draft based on physical assets but put more weight on the intangibles. Lance may never live up to his draft standing... but you know he is going to put in the work necessary to reach whatever he can be. We got two young QBs putting in the work and building eachother up, there are zero reports of toxicity in any competition. It's one of the better QB situations to have when everyone is coming off an injury.

It's ironic that injuries have created a situation where the 49ers QB room is one of the strongest in the league. Trey's finger and ankle, and Jimmy's injury brings in Brock who kills it, then gets injured and they bring in Sam.

I"m with Kyle when he says let the competition for QB1 play out. Lets see what they can do out there this year, and let the chips fall where they may. You make a plan based on what happens out there, not what folks think will happen. Although, understandable that on a BBS board like this, all we do is debate as to what things might happen. Great news that Lance is healthy and looking great out there, and Brock is healing fast and might be a big ahead of schedule.

Kyle developed Purdy, and I think he can develop Trey. What has slowed Trey down is injuries and inexperience. More reps, as NY says, will do a lot to (hopefully) improve Trey to where he can make reads and decisions closer to Purdy's level. I never thought I'd see the day where the 49ers would have another Steve and Joe situation where you have a great starting QB and another awesome one waiting to play behind him. I think it was the competition between Steve and Joe that made Joe great, and eventually Steve as well under Seifert. I'm hoping both Kyle and John will be bald, pulling their hair out by the start of the regular season in trying to figure out who to start because BOTH look so damn good!

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
We had a Super Bowl roster and Kyle didn't want a rookie to f**k it up. And the the luxury of actually sitting a rookie QB his first year or until he is ready rarely happens. And when teams do red shirt a player you have your success Rodgers, Rivers and Mahomes along with failures JP Losman, Brady Quinn, Jamarcus Russell and Jake Locker. I think personally if a player is ever going to be a good player he needs live reps not practices where he knows he won't get hit. Some players need to see it on film where they messed up like Peyton Manning.

Personally I don't think a player is ever gonna be "ready" by not playing. There's nothing more valuable to a player than those live reps.

Yet Big Cock Brock was ready at his first NFL snap with 0 NFL experience... there goes that platitude

On what planet should what Purdy accomplished last season be the norm? I could have sworn his performance surprised the entire league, including the Niners.

There is no winner in this argument. There are guys that sat and had success like Rodgers... who many of those "just start em" crew have admitted in the past if he and Alex were to swap places Rodgers might not of been as successful. Then you have the Peyton Mannings, which again in the age of the internet this place would call a monumental bust in his first year. Then you got the "all I can do is run" Josh Allen's juxtaposed with the Kap's. One looked all world and regressed, the other looked mediocre and grew into an All pro.

It's a total crap shoot tbph. Best you can do is draft based on physical assets but put more weight on the intangibles. Lance may never live up to his draft standing... but you know he is going to put in the work necessary to reach whatever he can be. We got two young QBs putting in the work and building eachother up, there are zero reports of toxicity in any competition. It's one of the better QB situations to have when everyone is coming off an injury.

It's ironic that injuries have created a situation where the 49ers QB room is one of the strongest in the league. Trey's finger and ankle, and Jimmy's injury brings in Brock who kills it, then gets injured and they bring in Sam.

I"m with Kyle when he says let the competition for QB1 play out. Lets see what they can do out there this year, and let the chips fall where they may. You make a plan based on what happens out there, not what folks think will happen. Although, understandable that on a BBS board like this, all we do is debate as to what things might happen. Great news that Lance is healthy and looking great out there, and Brock is healing fast and might be a big ahead of schedule.

Kyle developed Purdy, and I think he can develop Trey. What has slowed Trey down is injuries and inexperience. More reps, as NY says, will do a lot to (hopefully) improve Trey to where he can make reads and decisions closer to Purdy's level. I never thought I'd see the day where the 49ers would have another Steve and Joe situation where you have a great starting QB and another awesome one waiting to play behind him. I think it was the competition between Steve and Joe that made Joe great, and eventually Steve as well under Seifert. I'm hoping both Kyle and John will be bald, pulling their hair out by the start of the regular season in trying to figure out who to start because BOTH look so damn good!

Do you think Kyle developed Purdy? I don'y know I think he was pretty well developed when he came out of college after starting for 4 seasons. All he had to do was learn Kyle's system. Trey on the other hand was raw and needed a lot of fine tuning. Things like his mechanics and defense recognition needed way more work than Purdy. Kyle says his mechanics look much better this year so we'll see how that translates to the field.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by ImRicky:
Do you have to squint your eyes to see it? Take a look at the entire game against the Cards. I mean he looked like a high schooler out there. Weak and wobbly passes and zero pocket awareness and some really bizarre decision making. I literally thought he broke his neck when he tried to take on a linebacker at the goal line. It was like watching a guy that has never played the quarterback position in his life. And your defense balled out that game.

He had almost 300 yards of offense that game. He just couldn't put the ball in the endzone but the offense was moving down the field.And the Cards were a top 5 defense at the time. You know who looked worse? Gino Smith vs the Niners last season.

Geno looked meh against SF. The Niners are simply a better team and we were overmatched. This year we've closed the gap so I expect more a competitive showing.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
We had a Super Bowl roster and Kyle didn't want a rookie to f**k it up. And the the luxury of actually sitting a rookie QB his first year or until he is ready rarely happens. And when teams do red shirt a player you have your success Rodgers, Rivers and Mahomes along with failures JP Losman, Brady Quinn, Jamarcus Russell and Jake Locker. I think personally if a player is ever going to be a good player he needs live reps not practices where he knows he won't get hit. Some players need to see it on film where they messed up like Peyton Manning.

Personally I don't think a player is ever gonna be "ready" by not playing. There's nothing more valuable to a player than those live reps.

Yet Big Cock Brock was ready at his first NFL snap with 0 NFL experience... there goes that platitude

On what planet should what Purdy accomplished last season be the norm? I could have sworn his performance surprised the entire league, including the Niners.

There is no winner in this argument. There are guys that sat and had success like Rodgers... who many of those "just start em" crew have admitted in the past if he and Alex were to swap places Rodgers might not of been as successful. Then you have the Peyton Mannings, which again in the age of the internet this place would call a monumental bust in his first year. Then you got the "all I can do is run" Josh Allen's juxtaposed with the Kap's. One looked all world and regressed, the other looked mediocre and grew into an All pro.

It's a total crap shoot tbph. Best you can do is draft based on physical assets but put more weight on the intangibles. Lance may never live up to his draft standing... but you know he is going to put in the work necessary to reach whatever he can be. We got two young QBs putting in the work and building eachother up, there are zero reports of toxicity in any competition. It's one of the better QB situations to have when everyone is coming off an injury.

It's ironic that injuries have created a situation where the 49ers QB room is one of the strongest in the league. Trey's finger and ankle, and Jimmy's injury brings in Brock who kills it, then gets injured and they bring in Sam.

I"m with Kyle when he says let the competition for QB1 play out. Lets see what they can do out there this year, and let the chips fall where they may. You make a plan based on what happens out there, not what folks think will happen. Although, understandable that on a BBS board like this, all we do is debate as to what things might happen. Great news that Lance is healthy and looking great out there, and Brock is healing fast and might be a big ahead of schedule.

Kyle developed Purdy, and I think he can develop Trey. What has slowed Trey down is injuries and inexperience. More reps, as NY says, will do a lot to (hopefully) improve Trey to where he can make reads and decisions closer to Purdy's level. I never thought I'd see the day where the 49ers would have another Steve and Joe situation where you have a great starting QB and another awesome one waiting to play behind him. I think it was the competition between Steve and Joe that made Joe great, and eventually Steve as well under Seifert. I'm hoping both Kyle and John will be bald, pulling their hair out by the start of the regular season in trying to figure out who to start because BOTH look so damn good!

Do you think Kyle developed Purdy? I don'y know I think he was pretty well developed when he came out of college after starting for 4 seasons. All he had to do was learn Kyle's system. Trey on the other hand was raw and needed a lot of fine tuning. Things like his mechanics and defense recognition needed way more work than Purdy. Kyle says his mechanics look much better this year so we'll see how that translates to the field.

Well, who else would have? Pete Carroll? I think you are underestimating Kyle's ability to develop QB's. It's more than just mechanics, it's play design and ability to call pays *for* his QB's. It's helping his QB understand what to do via drills, reps, and game preparation. It's designing an offense around the QB. If Purdy, a 7th round pick, can achieve what he did - why not Trey? Not everybody learns to read at the same pace, but once someone does learn to read at the college level, *both* can now go to college and be successful. Steve Young took a long time to develop - but eventually he did, and dominated the NFL. Why not Trey? We shall see.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
We had a Super Bowl roster and Kyle didn't want a rookie to f**k it up. And the the luxury of actually sitting a rookie QB his first year or until he is ready rarely happens. And when teams do red shirt a player you have your success Rodgers, Rivers and Mahomes along with failures JP Losman, Brady Quinn, Jamarcus Russell and Jake Locker. I think personally if a player is ever going to be a good player he needs live reps not practices where he knows he won't get hit. Some players need to see it on film where they messed up like Peyton Manning.

Personally I don't think a player is ever gonna be "ready" by not playing. There's nothing more valuable to a player than those live reps.

Yet Big Cock Brock was ready at his first NFL snap with 0 NFL experience... there goes that platitude

On what planet should what Purdy accomplished last season be the norm? I could have sworn his performance surprised the entire league, including the Niners.

There is no winner in this argument. There are guys that sat and had success like Rodgers... who many of those "just start em" crew have admitted in the past if he and Alex were to swap places Rodgers might not of been as successful. Then you have the Peyton Mannings, which again in the age of the internet this place would call a monumental bust in his first year. Then you got the "all I can do is run" Josh Allen's juxtaposed with the Kap's. One looked all world and regressed, the other looked mediocre and grew into an All pro.

It's a total crap shoot tbph. Best you can do is draft based on physical assets but put more weight on the intangibles. Lance may never live up to his draft standing... but you know he is going to put in the work necessary to reach whatever he can be. We got two young QBs putting in the work and building eachother up, there are zero reports of toxicity in any competition. It's one of the better QB situations to have when everyone is coming off an injury.

It's ironic that injuries have created a situation where the 49ers QB room is one of the strongest in the league. Trey's finger and ankle, and Jimmy's injury brings in Brock who kills it, then gets injured and they bring in Sam.

I"m with Kyle when he says let the competition for QB1 play out. Lets see what they can do out there this year, and let the chips fall where they may. You make a plan based on what happens out there, not what folks think will happen. Although, understandable that on a BBS board like this, all we do is debate as to what things might happen. Great news that Lance is healthy and looking great out there, and Brock is healing fast and might be a big ahead of schedule.

Kyle developed Purdy, and I think he can develop Trey. What has slowed Trey down is injuries and inexperience. More reps, as NY says, will do a lot to (hopefully) improve Trey to where he can make reads and decisions closer to Purdy's level. I never thought I'd see the day where the 49ers would have another Steve and Joe situation where you have a great starting QB and another awesome one waiting to play behind him. I think it was the competition between Steve and Joe that made Joe great, and eventually Steve as well under Seifert. I'm hoping both Kyle and John will be bald, pulling their hair out by the start of the regular season in trying to figure out who to start because BOTH look so damn good!

Do you think Kyle developed Purdy? I don'y know I think he was pretty well developed when he came out of college after starting for 4 seasons. All he had to do was learn Kyle's system. Trey on the other hand was raw and needed a lot of fine tuning. Things like his mechanics and defense recognition needed way more work than Purdy. Kyle says his mechanics look much better this year so we'll see how that translates to the field.

Well, who else would have? Pete Carroll? I think you are underestimating Kyle's ability to develop QB's. It's more than just mechanics, it's play design and ability to call pays *for* his QB's. It's helping his QB understand what to do via drills, reps, and game preparation. It's designing an offense around the QB. If Purdy, a 7th round pick, can achieve what he did - why not Trey? Not everybody learns to read at the same pace, but once someone does learn to read at the college level, *both* can now go to college and be successful. Steve Young took a long time to develop - but eventually he did, and dominated the NFL. Why not Trey? We shall see.

Yep. I wanted Kyle as OC before you hired him as your coach. Kyle's knack for developing quarterbacks and getting the most of their abilities are second to none in this league.

Funny how quiet this thread is this morning after the comments from Kyle last night.

Guess more excuses for Trey huh...

Originally posted by genus49:
Funny how quiet this thread is this morning after the comments from Kyle last night.

Guess more excuses for Trey huh...

What do you mean?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by genus49:
Funny how quiet this thread is this morning after the comments from Kyle last night.

Guess more excuses for Trey huh...

What do you mean?

Coach said TLs finger lingered on for ages

take that how you will

I can't help but think, this is the guy we brought in to be more durable than Jimmy?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by genus49:
Funny how quiet this thread is this morning after the comments from Kyle last night.

Guess more excuses for Trey huh...

What do you mean?

Coach said TLs finger lingered on for ages

take that how you will

I can't help but think, this is the guy we brought in to be more durable than Jimmy?

An injury like that has nothing to do with being injury prone. It's completely fluky, unfortunately for Trey it happened so early in his career and he didn't even report it which led to the mechanics problems.

If he was a more veteran player it wouldn't create as big of an issue imo.

But no need for the loaded comments. You guys brushed that injury under the table earlier in this thread and called it excuses.

Don't think it's a coincidence that now that the team got a look at Darnold and Lance in OTAs suddenly there is an influx of pro Trey news.

Originally posted by genus49:
Funny how quiet this thread is this morning after the comments from Kyle last night.

Guess more excuses for Trey huh...

like there needs to be a reason for that Lol

Originally posted by genus49:
An injury like that has nothing to do with being injury prone. It's completely fluky, unfortunately for Trey it happened so early in his career and he didn't even report it which led to the mechanics problems.

If he was a more veteran player it wouldn't create as big of an issue imo.

But no need for the loaded comments. You guys brushed that injury under the table earlier in this thread and called it excuses.

Don't think it's a coincidence that now that the team got a look at Darnold and Lance in OTAs suddenly there is an influx of pro Trey news.

His finger issue got brushed off just the same as JGs shoulder injury later in the same year. He played through his shoulder injury for rest of season and in playoffs. His play due in part to his injury was ridiculed. But sure let's give Trey a pass for his finger.

As for coincidences, the 9ers apparently didn't receive an offer for Trey. They reached out to Rapsheet about how he was talking about Trey and now our coach is talking him up.

That said, I hope the talks of him looking better than ever is true. More importantly I hope it continues once the music starts.

Originally posted by krizay:
His finger issue got brushed off just the same as JGs shoulder injury later in the same year. He played through his shoulder injury for rest of season and in playoffs. His play due in part to his injury was ridiculed. But sure let's give Trey a pass for his finger.

As for coincidences, the 9ers apparently didn't receive an offer for Trey. They reached out to Rapsheet about how he was talking about Trey and now our coach is talking him up.

That said, I hope the talks of him looking better than ever is true. More importantly I hope it continues once the music starts.

Shanny gonna do a pump n dump

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Kyle Shanahan said the finger injury Trey Lance suffered in August 2021 carried over into last year's offseason. He said Lance is in "such a better place" as far as his delivery/motion than he was a year ago.

— Matt Barrows (@mattbarrows) May 11, 2023

That's actually great news. Hopefully that's the reason he was so inaccurate. I hope he looks better this camp and much improved

thats a long ass time for a finger injury to linger. Lol damn

Sounds crazy but when you think about it a bum finger on the throwing hand would destroy the entire mechanic. I love the competition and expect good things.

Oddly enough if Purdy is good to go out the gate and doesn't play well I can see Lance chants starting up.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
An injury like that has nothing to do with being injury prone. It's completely fluky, unfortunately for Trey it happened so early in his career and he didn't even report it which led to the mechanics problems.

If he was a more veteran player it wouldn't create as big of an issue imo.

But no need for the loaded comments. You guys brushed that injury under the table earlier in this thread and called it excuses.

Don't think it's a coincidence that now that the team got a look at Darnold and Lance in OTAs suddenly there is an influx of pro Trey news.

His finger issue got brushed off just the same as JGs shoulder injury later in the same year. He played through his shoulder injury for rest of season and in playoffs. His play due in part to his injury was ridiculed. But sure let's give Trey a pass for his finger.

As for coincidences, the 9ers apparently didn't receive an offer for Trey. They reached out to Rapsheet about how he was talking about Trey and now our coach is talking him up.

That said, I hope the talks of him looking better than ever is true. More importantly I hope it continues once the music starts.

Jimmy was in his 8th year in the NFL when that injury happened. Obviously it was an issue as is any injury to the throwing arm but they are not comparable.

And for the record I did not ridicule Jimmy's play. I did however take issue with him trying to make throws with that shoulder injury he couldn't make even before the shoulder injury. The pick vs Dallas in 2021 was absolutely an incredibly stupid play.

lol at the second bolded line. You think NFL teams care about stuff Rapoport says? They were always his opinions. Just like the Mac Jones at 3 thing. You really trying to pretend like if the 49ers feed Rapoport some positive stories from Trey suddenly a team who wasn't interested would jump to make a trade?

1. We don't know if they got any offers for Trey
2. Even if they didn't it could simply be for the fact that teams understood that it would take more than they wanted to pay to pry him away from the 49ers given the state of our QB room.

Your mental gymnastics when it comes to Trey are something else. And I thought the "Jimmy didn't get the playbook in time to find out where the endzone ends" stuff was great.

Originally posted by krizay:
His finger issue got brushed off just the same as JGs shoulder injury later in the same year. He played through his shoulder injury for rest of season and in playoffs. His play due in part to his injury was ridiculed. But sure let's give Trey a pass for his finger.

As for coincidences, the 9ers apparently didn't receive an offer for Trey. They reached out to Rapsheet about how he was talking about Trey and now our coach is talking him up.

That said, I hope the talks of him looking better than ever is true. More importantly I hope it continues once the music starts.

As far we know teams called to inquire if he was available…not tell them what they would offer in a trade.

Okay so we agree that his broken finger was an issue and that shouldn't have been brushed off? I mean if we're bringing up Jimmy's injuries, correct? For sure his shoulder was an issue in the playoffs. I also think there was plays that had nothing to do with his shoulder (like horrible reads). You could say the same for Lance/Brock whomever too.