Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
It's definitely you got it or don't.. You can teach it some, but in the end that "natural ability" matters the most.

This is the NFL... To make it this far, all these guys at least have an amazing arm compared to other guys. Ya there's different levels of arm talent, but all these guys have at least enough arm talent to compete at this level.

What separates the good QB's from the other QB's, is mostly intangibles + work ethic.

Pocket presence is so important for a QB, and that's something hard to teach. Making split second decisions, is something you can't teach each either.

Once you make this far in the NFL, it's all about your brain for the most part.

Everything in the NFL speeds up, defenses are faster, defensive coordinators are more savvy, passing windows are smaller and the biggest thing a QB needs to be successful is the ability to remain composed while there's chaos all around them. The QB's that have that composure, that ability to stay calm, trust themselves and consistently execute under heavy pressure are the ones that will be elite. All the other stuff is just window dressing.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
But some don't ever get a lot better at it and others puck it up really quickly.

Absolutely. You're never gonna know unless you let them play and I'm not taking about 4QRs of football.

overall I thought Lance made some good reads in his short amount of time. He should be allowed to make some mistakes given how little he's played. I don't think he's a dumb player and work ethic isn't an issue.

we will see

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Everything in the NFL speeds up, defenses are faster, defensive coordinators are more savvy, passing windows are smaller and the biggest thing a QB needs to be successful is the ability to remain composed while there's chaos all around them. The QB's that have that composure, that ability to stay calm, trust themselves and consistently execute under heavy pressure are the ones that will be elite. All the other stuff is just window dressing.

Consistency is the key word…I don't think 99% of young QBs are consistent early in their career. It's why being mobile can help negate bad plays until they can be more consistent with in pocket QB play.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lacking experience doesn't mean s**t when your goal is to have a FQB for the next decade. There was always gonna be a transition period, some fans refused to let that happen. Ya'll have no patience and it's sad. It's like you guys don't watch college football and see the overall lack of develop/reps happening.

The transition period isn't bad. We actually don't need much patience since it is going well. I am talking about Purdy of course.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Consistency is the key word…I don't think 99% of young QBs are consistent early in their career. It's why being mobile can help negate bad plays until they can be more consistent with in pocket QB play.

Purdy has been consistently good so far.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

But some don't ever get a lot better at it and others puck it up really quickly.

Absolutely. You're never gonna know unless you let them play and I'm not taking about 4QRs of football.

overall I thought Lance made some good reads in his short amount of time. He should be allowed to make some mistakes given how little he's played. I don't think he's a dumb player and work ethic isn't an issue.

we will see

Me neither and I am excited to see him grow. I think it's Brock's job to lose at this point though. Preseason will definitely matter and be exciting if Brock keeps it up!

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lacking experience doesn't mean s**t when your goal is to have a FQB for the next decade. There was always gonna be a transition period, some fans refused to let that happen. Ya'll have no patience and it's sad. It's like you guys don't watch college football and see the overall lack of develop/reps happening.

The transition period isn't bad. We actually don't need much patience since it is going well. I am talking about Purdy of course.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Consistency is the key word…I don't think 99% of young QBs are consistent early in their career. It's why being mobile can help negate bad plays until they can be more consistent with in pocket QB play.

Purdy has been consistently good so far.

Purdy has played better than expected for sure. He's also missed reads, throw inaccurate balls and had dropped INT. Sample sizes for both guys are by far too small to make a long-term decision on anything.

for me that's what it's all about the long-term. If Brock can play this well for the long-term then yeah we got something. He could also become a case Keenum type player with limited upside but great instincts. Awesome backup which is good too. Guys like Allen/hurts and even manning had transition periods. I'm sure ya'll would have allowed that to play out

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Me neither and I am excited to see him grow. I think it's Brock's job to lose at this point though. Preseason will definitely matter and be exciting if Brock keeps it up!

I don't care about whose job it is in 2023. That's a discussion for next season Imo. I'm here to see how the rest of this season goes then go from there. Hopefully Brock makes the decision that much harder because he killed it rest of the yr

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lacking experience doesn't mean s**t when your goal is to have a FQB for the next decade. There was always gonna be a transition period, some fans refused to let that happen. Ya'll have no patience and it's sad. It's like you guys don't watch college football and see the overall lack of develop/reps happening.

The transition period isn't bad. We actually don't need much patience since it is going well. I am talking about Purdy of course.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Consistency is the key word…I don't think 99% of young QBs are consistent early in their career. It's why being mobile can help negate bad plays until they can be more consistent with in pocket QB play.

Purdy has been consistently good so far.

Purdy has played better than expected. He's also missed reads, throw inaccurate balls and had dropped INT.

Consistency is always going to be relative to other players. No one is consistently good on 100% of the snaps.

I think it is fair to say Purdy has been consistently good.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Consistency is always going to be relative to other players. No one is consistently good on 100% of the snaps.

I think it is fair to say Purdy has been consistently good.

I think it's fair to say he's made the plays that have been called for him and he's shown the moment hasn't been too big for him. I still see an underwhelming arm and some throws that could have been picked off…which is fine. I don't expect him to be great.

There's always a return to the mean over a larger sample size. We will see what his is for Brock, like I said it could be Montana or it could be Keenum.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Why? Because his ceiling and physical tools are limited, and Lance is the superior talent and athlete with a canon arm with all the same intangibles and leadership Brock brings.

You have no idea what intangibles and leadership ability Lance brings. To be fair, he hasn't played enough to prove it one way or the other. What we do know is that Purdy has a level of intangibles and leadership that is not common even in a veteran QB, much less a rookie. All the league is reveling in what he has shown. Other than giving Lance an opportunity to show what he can do in TC and preseason next year, he has shown nothing of those key components necessary to perform at a high level.

What we do know is that ShanaLynch invested 3 1st round picks and a 7th-round pick in the quest for a starting QB and a backup...and they were successful. The fact the roles were reversed is only incidental. The 49ers now have a high-quality starting QB and a backup they hope to develop to the point he can win some games if he is called on to do so.

I don't think the bolded is fair when specifically talking about intangibles and leadership. From all the reports from his teammates, interviews, and press conferences we've seen from Trey, he's a really mature young man and has a lot of the qualities you want to see from a franchise QB off the field.

On the field, I do think it's fair to say we haven't seen it yet. IMO Trey has yet to get into a passing rhythm and on the flip side, Purdy has shown that immediately and has stayed consistent.

I feel like we should all view this situation as a win-win, we have a very good starter in Purdy at the moment, and we have another more raw player in Trey that has the potential to be a very good player as well. Either way we will have a very good starter for years and we know our QBs get hurt a lot, so both should get playing time.

We don't disagree. My first paragraph noted that he hasn't shown enough yet to judge one way or the other. What you bolded was just me saying the same thing another way. My central point was disagreement with Ezekiel on his statement that Lance has all the intangibles and leadership that Purdy has shown. One has shown it in games. The other has yet to show it one way or the other.

I guess it was the phrasing that confused me: "he has shown nothing of those key components" makes it sound like you were making a conclusion about his intangibles, in that he doesn't have them.

To me, the most important variable in this discussion is winning, and so far, Trey has only 1 win while Purdy has 2 technically, but essentially 3. Because no matter how well Trey potentially could have played this season, whether that's statistically or just the eyeball test, he would not be accepted if he wasn't winning. That's just the reality of it. Especially when you had another QB in Jimmy that won a lot of games. I really try my best to isolate players from the team for my own personal evaluations, but again, the fans will not accept you if you lose, and Trey has lost 2 games and 1 game in relief of Jimmy. Fans don't care if you're the youngest QB in NFL history, or that you haven't played football in multiple years. 49ers fans are impatient and rightfully so given our SB drought.

I've always believed in Trey the prospect; I think he's one of the most impressive QBs from an off the field perspective as I've ever seen. The way he continually said the right things in the media and held himself accountable for the losses was impressive. He's essentially the opposite of Zach Wilson in that regard. I also don't think his record for most passing attempts without an interception in college was a fluke. From watching his film it was clear his mechanics needed work but he understood the importance of protecting the football which Kyle probably fell in love with. Not to mention the similar offense, and the fact that Trey at a very young age was tasked with calling the plays in the huddle, making checks at the line of scrimmage, playing under center, the impressive ability to sell play fakes and so on.

Even with my strong belief in Trey, Purdy has come in and changed my mindset TBH. Because IMO all of the valid criticisms I have for Jimmy haven't applied to Purdy so far. And he's doing things we saw in flashes from Trey, but at a more consistent rate. It's still a small sample size so I try to stay away from absolute claims, but Purdy appears to make plays during moments we would be punting otherwise. That doesn't mean Purdy is for sure better than Jimmy ATM or that Trey will never be as good or better, but I think we're beginning to see the best version of Kyle's offense in his 49er tenure.

I fully agree with your view of Trey the person. He is humble. His comments show a high degree of intelligence. All reports say he does his homework. I've nothing bad to say about him. Actually, I feel sorry for him. He came here thinking he was going to be "the guy." And he still might. Unfortunately, circumstances have put him behind the eight ball. That happens in life. However, life can turn around just as well. His future is still ahead of him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Consistency is always going to be relative to other players. No one is consistently good on 100% of the snaps.

I think it is fair to say Purdy has been consistently good.

I think it's fair to say he's made the plays that have been called for him and he's shown the moment hasn't been too big for him. I still see an underwhelming arm and some throws that could have been picked off…which is fine. I don't expect him to be great.

There's always a return to the mean over a larger sample size. We will see what his is for Brock, like I said it could be Montana or it could be Keenum.

Would you settle for Eli Manning?

Some people just had their mind made up about Trey and will just jump on any decent QB that isn't him, whether it be Mac, Jimmy and now Brock.

I am a firm believer in Trey. However, Purdy has a shot to win me over if he keeps up his play and keeps growing.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I don't care about whose job it is in 2023. That's a discussion for next season Imo. I'm here to see how the rest of this season goes then go from there. Hopefully Brock makes the decision that much harder because he killed it rest of the yr

Absolutely. It's a good problem to have NEXT year! Ride the wave with a super bowl team right now.

Originally posted by Scooper1:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I don't care about whose job it is in 2023. That's a discussion for next season Imo. I'm here to see how the rest of this season goes then go from there. Hopefully Brock makes the decision that much harder because he killed it rest of the yr

Absolutely. It's a good problem to have NEXT year! Ride the wave with a super bowl team right now.

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While I don't discount the fact that Brock has had a couple questionable throws, when I think about it more, I have a hard time feeling like the number of those throws has been anything outside the average among the top quarterbacks in the league this year. I mean.. We all saw Mahomes get picked by Hufanga. Brady, Tua, Stafford, etc all have had their bad throws this year, and not just against us.

To be honest actually, for both Trey and Brock, as far as decisions passing the ball, I've liked what I've seen in their small sample sizes.

Brock has looked more accurate with a quicker release and more comfortable overall, probably at least in part to the significant advantage in experience, but if Lance gets a shot again at some point, I think we'll see a better player than some might expect.