Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Why? Because his ceiling and physical tools are limited, and Lance is the superior talent and athlete with a canon arm with all the same intangibles and leadership Brock brings.

You have no idea what intangibles and leadership ability Lance brings. To be fair, he hasn't played enough to prove it one way or the other. What we do know is that Purdy has a level of intangibles and leadership that is not common even in a veteran QB, much less a rookie. All the league is reveling in what he has shown. Other than giving Lance an opportunity to show what he can do in TC and preseason next year, he has shown nothing of those key components necessary to perform at a high level.

What we do know is that ShanaLynch invested 3 1st round picks and a 7th-round pick in the quest for a starting QB and a backup...and they were successful. The fact the roles were reversed is only incidental. The 49ers now have a high-quality starting QB and a backup they hope to develop to the point he can win some games if he is called on to do so.

I don't think the bolded is fair when specifically talking about intangibles and leadership. From all the reports from his teammates, interviews, and press conferences we've seen from Trey, he's a really mature young man and has a lot of the qualities you want to see from a franchise QB off the field.

On the field, I do think it's fair to say we haven't seen it yet. IMO Trey has yet to get into a passing rhythm and on the flip side, Purdy has shown that immediately and has stayed consistent.

I feel like we should all view this situation as a win-win, we have a very good starter in Purdy at the moment, and we have another more raw player in Trey that has the potential to be a very good player as well. Either way we will have a very good starter for years and we know our QBs get hurt a lot, so both should get playing time.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I don't think the bolded is fair when specifically talking about intangibles and leadership. From all the reports from his teammates, interviews, and press conferences we've seen from Trey, he's a really mature young man and has a lot of the qualities you want to see from a franchise QB off the field.

On the field, I do think it's fair to say we haven't seen it yet. IMO Trey has yet to get into a passing rhythm and on the flip side, Purdy has shown that immediately and has stayed consistent.

I feel like we should all view this situation as a win-win, we have a very good starter in Purdy at the moment, and we have another more raw player in Trey that has the potential to be a very good player as well. Either way we will have a very good starter for years and we know our QBs get hurt a lot, so both should get playing time.

Exactly right.

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
His 200 ypg? Yes. That can be replicated.

lol this is not a "plug in anyone at QB and they'll perform at the same level as Purdy" offense because of his 200 ypg avg.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Why? Because his ceiling and physical tools are limited, and Lance is the superior talent and athlete with a canon arm with all the same intangibles and leadership Brock brings.

You have no idea what intangibles and leadership ability Lance brings. To be fair, he hasn't played enough to prove it one way or the other. What we do know is that Purdy has a level of intangibles and leadership that is not common even in a veteran QB, much less a rookie. All the league is reveling in what he has shown. Other than giving Lance an opportunity to show what he can do in TC and preseason next year, he has shown nothing of those key components necessary to perform at a high level.

What we do know is that ShanaLynch invested 3 1st round picks and a 7th-round pick in the quest for a starting QB and a backup...and they were successful. The fact the roles were reversed is only incidental. The 49ers now have a high-quality starting QB and a backup they hope to develop to the point he can win some games if he is called on to do so.

I don't think the bolded is fair when specifically talking about intangibles and leadership. From all the reports from his teammates, interviews, and press conferences we've seen from Trey, he's a really mature young man and has a lot of the qualities you want to see from a franchise QB off the field.

On the field, I do think it's fair to say we haven't seen it yet. IMO Trey has yet to get into a passing rhythm and on the flip side, Purdy has shown that immediately and has stayed consistent.

I feel like we should all view this situation as a win-win, we have a very good starter in Purdy at the moment, and we have another more raw player in Trey that has the potential to be a very good player as well. Either way we will have a very good starter for years and we know our QBs get hurt a lot, so both should get playing time.

Cosigned

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
His 200 ypg? Yes. That can be replicated.

Hard to throw for more yards when it is blow out after blow out.

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:

I think Treys potential is exponentially higher than Purdys. I think Trey has a long way to go and has bust potential but he has that superstar ability only a few have. Purdy is the better more experienced QB and has really played well but I don't see his potential much more than a slightly better Jimmy or Tannehill.

How many years are you willing to wait on potential that may never be realized? I think if Purdy continues playing well, Lance really has this upcoming offseason to wow the organization and establish him as the #1 guy in spite of whatever Purdy might have done.

At some point, endless natural talent and potential is irrelevant is a guy can't put it all together. The good news is that if Lance doesn't develop into who they envisioned when they drafted him, there is now a Plan B that has presented itself.

I'd say two full years but with Brock right there it's win now so we don't have that luxury. I do think Trey has the ability to be productive, if not more productive than Purdys 2 3/4 starts where he's averaging 200 yards. I think with Treys legs and his arm he can surpass what Purdy is doing. It may not be as pretty but I don't think Purdy is really being asked to do much. His last game was pretty basic underneath routes and 2 designed TDs. That's not to take anything away from Purdy but I think with Shanny, Trey can be productive enough to deal with some lumps. Lumps that I think Purdy has been lucky enough to get away with so far.

So Purdy's production on 3rd down, his ability to avoid pressure, move around in the pocket, get to his 3rd and 4th read, throw an accurate ball with pressure in his face and beat zero blitzes is all Shanny making things easy on him?

His 200 ypg? Yes. That can be replicated.

By who? We all can see the stats.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
His 200 ypg? Yes. That can be replicated.

lol this is not a "plug in anyone at QB and they'll perform at the same level as Purdy" offense because of his 200 ypg avg.

Not anybody but a guy that's had two years under Shanny I think can have that much of an impact. It may not be as pretty but I think the results will be very similar.

Looking at our defense now can we atleast admit that part of the reason that Trey didn't have the best of camps is because of the defense he was facing everyday? Yes he struggled abit against the Bears but that game was played in a monsoon. He looked pretty good vs the Seahawks before he got hurt.

Anyways I have tried to stay away from the Trey Lance thread because of all the rediculous talk of trading him which makes no sense whatsoever. Just drives me crazy wanting to bang my head against the wall. Thankfully this organization is not that stupid to do something like that. Not when you invested so much in him and have him cheap for the next 2 years. And on top of that he hasn't even really been given a chance yet. Imagine trading 3 1st RD picks which includes using the #3 overall pick to draft him and then trading him for like a 2nd RD pick after only starting 4 games?

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
His 200 ypg? Yes. That can be replicated.

Hard to throw for more yards when it is blow out after blow out.

Look at ypa, checkdowns to CMC, throws under 10 yards, and designed TDs to Kittle. People are acting like Purdy was out there slinging when reality he hit mostly short routes and passes under 10 yards. Our defense is helping tremendously with blowouts, it's not like 21-13 was a complete blowout.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Looking at our defense now can we atleast admit that part of the reason that Trey didn't have the best of camps is because of the defense he was facing everyday? Yes he struggled abit against the Bears but that game was played in a monsoon. He looked pretty good vs the Seahawks before he got hurt.

Anyways I have tried to stay away from the Trey Lance thread because of all the rediculous talk of trading him which makes no sense whatsoever. Just drives me crazy wanting to bang my head against the wall. Thankfully this organization is not that stupid to do something like that. Not when you invested so much in him and have him cheap for the next 2 years. And on top of that he hasn't even really been given a chance yet. Imagine trading 3 1st RD picks which includes using the #3 overall pick to draft him and then trading him for like a 2nd RD pick after only starting 4 games?

We ran the ball 12 times and passed the ball only 3 times in Trey's 1 quarter against the seahawks. He was 2 of 3 for 30 yards and a 1st down but it is hard to say that he looked good.

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
His 200 ypg? Yes. That can be replicated.

Hard to throw for more yards when it is blow out after blow out.

Look at ypa, checkdowns to CMC, throws under 10 yards, and designed TDs to Kittle. People are acting like Purdy was out there slinging when reality he hit mostly short routes and passes under 10 yards. Our defense is helping tremendously with blowouts, it's not like 21-13 was a complete blowout.

He was dealing with an oblique injury in the SEA game so of course he wasn't going to be asked to sling the ball all over the field. He did start off 11 of 11 for 98 yards though. Look at what he did in the first half of that TB game when we jumped out to a 28-0 lead. He was straight up balling.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Why? Because his ceiling and physical tools are limited, and Lance is the superior talent and athlete with a canon arm with all the same intangibles and leadership Brock brings.

You have no idea what intangibles and leadership ability Lance brings. To be fair, he hasn't played enough to prove it one way or the other. What we do know is that Purdy has a level of intangibles and leadership that is not common even in a veteran QB, much less a rookie. All the league is reveling in what he has shown. Other than giving Lance an opportunity to show what he can do in TC and preseason next year, he has shown nothing of those key components necessary to perform at a high level.

What we do know is that ShanaLynch invested 3 1st round picks and a 7th-round pick in the quest for a starting QB and a backup...and they were successful. The fact the roles were reversed is only incidental. The 49ers now have a high-quality starting QB and a backup they hope to develop to the point he can win some games if he is called on to do so.

I don't think the bolded is fair when specifically talking about intangibles and leadership. From all the reports from his teammates, interviews, and press conferences we've seen from Trey, he's a really mature young man and has a lot of the qualities you want to see from a franchise QB off the field.

On the field, I do think it's fair to say we haven't seen it yet. IMO Trey has yet to get into a passing rhythm and on the flip side, Purdy has shown that immediately and has stayed consistent.

I feel like we should all view this situation as a win-win, we have a very good starter in Purdy at the moment, and we have another more raw player in Trey that has the potential to be a very good player as well. Either way we will have a very good starter for years and we know our QBs get hurt a lot, so both should get playing time.

We don't disagree. My first paragraph noted that he hasn't shown enough yet to judge one way or the other. What you bolded was just me saying the same thing another way. My central point was disagreement with Ezekiel on his statement that Lance has all the intangibles and leadership that Purdy has shown. One has shown it in games. The other has yet to show it one way or the other.

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
His 200 ypg? Yes. That can be replicated.

Hard to throw for more yards when it is blow out after blow out.

Look at ypa, checkdowns to CMC, throws under 10 yards, and designed TDs to Kittle. People are acting like Purdy was out there slinging when reality he hit mostly short routes and passes under 10 yards. Our defense is helping tremendously with blowouts, it's not like 21-13 was a complete blowout.

it's already been pointed out by Kurt Warner and others breaking down the film that Brock is moving to his 3rd / 4th read and not just taking the easy check downs. the second Kittle TD in SEA was his 4th read per Shanny.

do you even understand the Shanahan offense? this is it.

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:
His 200 ypg? Yes. That can be replicated.

Hard to throw for more yards when it is blow out after blow out.

Look at ypa, checkdowns to CMC, throws under 10 yards, and designed TDs to Kittle. People are acting like Purdy was out there slinging when reality he hit mostly short routes and passes under 10 yards. Our defense is helping tremendously with blowouts, it's not like 21-13 was a complete blowout.

The second Kittle TD was not designed for Kittle. Purdy went through the progression and found the open receiver and hit him on stride.

What more can you ask for a rookie QB on the first 3 games (excluding KC garbage time)? Even if you have a #1 pick QB, you should be encouraged and exciting for this kind of performance.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Goatie:
That is why I prefer Purdy. He has those natural instincts and game experience. Trey has neither and it shows. Trey looks clunky when he runs and does not sling it like Purdy off schedule with the same pazaz

I think you prefer him because you can relate to him.

???
Relate in what way? Please explain.

oh man is random low key playing the race card?.

Meh I have both African, Irish and Scottish ancestry and I am married to an Asian.... dumb call.

Both?

Irish and Scottish are Celtic same same