Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I've always wondered if being able to progress through reads fast and decisive was something you either have or you don't, ya know? Not saying you can't improve on it or learn it, but you'll never be great at it if processing and making decisions isn't a natural ability you have. Or if anyone can be great at with enough practice.

i also don't mean people just go play football for the first time and can immediately read and progress through a defense. Just that either it's natural for you or it feels like a chore.

Processing coverages is a learned trait. You only get better by playing more. Brock showed up with 1,500 passing attempts and 4 yrs worth of starts.

But some don't ever get a lot better at it and others puck it up really quickly.

Yeah they pick it purdy quickly rather than have their talent lanced while waiting around

Originally posted by dj43:
I fully agree with your view of Trey the person. He is humble. His comments show a high degree of intelligence. All reports say he does his homework. I've nothing bad to say about him. Actually, I feel sorry for him. He came here thinking he was going to be "the guy." And he still might. Unfortunately, circumstances have put him behind the eight ball. That happens in life. However, life can turn around just as well. His future is still ahead of him.

I don´t know why there´s some weirdos on this board that hate this kid.
He always was humble from day one.
He´s here to help Brock at the moment.
But hey, it´s the board where some weirdos wanted to fire Kyle and hire Sean Payton.
You know the coach that was fine with his DC being a giant a*****e.

Originally posted by dj43:
Would you settle for Eli Manning?

His arm talent is not eli manning.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
While I don't discount the fact that Brock has had a couple questionable throws, when I think about it more, I have a hard time feeling like the number of those throws has been anything outside the average among the top quarterbacks in the league this year. I mean.. We all saw Mahomes get picked by Hufanga. Brady, Tua, Stafford, etc all have had their bad throws this year, and not just against us.

To be honest actually, for both Trey and Brock, as far as decisions passing the ball, I've liked what I've seen in their small sample sizes.

Brock has looked more accurate with a quicker release and more comfortable overall, probably at least in part to the significant advantage in experience, but if Lance gets a shot again at some point, I think we'll see a better player than some might expect.

Not sure where we're getting the quick release stuff from… At least when people are calling lances awful? Jimmy had by far a quicker release than both. Lance's arm talent and quick hands actually compensate for that too.

I posted Brock throwing the same route in practice yesterday to Lance making that same throw this yr and there's no difference.

Like you said having all those reps before stepping on the field has helped Brock a s**t ton. He looks confident running this system and processes everything quickly. He's not getting rid of the ball as quick as he can like Jimmy either. His TTT is like 2.9sec. He's looking high/low (which is what kyle wants) and not afraid to move around & let plays develop.

our receivers need to get better at those scramble plays and getting open outside their route. They're not used to that with Jimmy behind center.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
While I don't discount the fact that Brock has had a couple questionable throws, when I think about it more, I have a hard time feeling like the number of those throws has been anything outside the average among the top quarterbacks in the league this year. I mean.. We all saw Mahomes get picked by Hufanga. Brady, Tua, Stafford, etc all have had their bad throws this year, and not just against us.

To be honest actually, for both Trey and Brock, as far as decisions passing the ball, I've liked what I've seen in their small sample sizes.

Brock has looked more accurate with a quicker release and more comfortable overall, probably at least in part to the significant advantage in experience, but if Lance gets a shot again at some point, I think we'll see a better player than some might expect.

Not sure where we're getting the quick release stuff from… At least when people are calling lances awful? Jimmy had by far a quicker release than both. Lance's arm talent and quick hands actually compensate for that too.

I posted Brock throwing the same route in practice yesterday to Lance making that same throw this yr and there's no difference.

Like you said having all those reps before stepping on the field has helped Brock a s**t ton. He looks confident running this system and processes everything quickly. He's not getting rid of the ball as quick as he can like Jimmy either. His TTT is like 2.9sec. He's looking high/low (which is what kyle wants) and not afraid to move around & let plays develop.

our receivers need to get better at those scramble plays and getting open outside their route. They're not used to that with Jimmy behind center.

Oh come off it. Brock is still limited in practice because his ribs and obliques have not healed yet. No way he would be throwing at full pace yet.

Originally posted by Goatie:
Oh come off it. Brock is still limited in practice because his ribs and obliques have not healed yet. No way he would be throwing at full pace yet.

What are you talking about? His throwing motion has been consistent. His release is not some amazing thing (it's not bad or anything), Jimmy had an elite release. We get it you have an issue with Lance and will do whatever to poo poo him. His release isn't an issue, especially if you think Brock has some quick release…you need to come off it and be objective for once.

Random 9er Message Board: "You either got it or you don't."

/Steve Young Enters The Chat...

Lol Steve Young's 1st NFL Stop:
First 2 Seasons: 3-16 record, 11 TDs 21 INTs
Following Offseason: Bucs draft Vinnie Testaverde 1st Overall
We all know what followed

Then there's this guy that didn't have it enough to be kept:

Following his college career, Warner went undrafted in the 1994 NFL Draft. He was invited to try out for the Green Bay Packers' training camp in 1994, but was released before the regular season began.

And part of the reason he was let go is because he was competing with this guy...that was also a "didn't have it" guy @ his 1st stop:

"I remember Brett would see me and ask me when we were going to start playing him,'' he said. "I am thinking we have a Pro Bowl quarterback in Chris Miller and this rookie is telling me he is the best quarterback on the team. But the coaches were telling me he was drunk in meetings, was fat and erratic. After the season, I didn't have much of a leg to stand on. I thought it may be time to fess up and get rid of my mistake.''

But c'mon, I believe they released Warner and kept Mark Brunell and Ty Detmer. He went to go stock grocery shelves for $5.50 an hour.

And this guy got years of experience and the team still looked passed him...

And then this guy's timeline after being drafted 32nd overall:
Year 1: Backup to Doug Flutie
Year 2: 17 TDs, 16 INTs
Year 3: 11 TDs, 15 INTs
Year 4: Team drafts Philip Rivers before the season to replace him.

• In about a 15 year span, these guys pretty much took ownership of the QB position.

• Between 3 of these guys we have 7 NFL MVPs,...with Brees only attaining 2 Offensive POTY awards.
  
  
• Can we say that these 4 guys have the natural instincts to play the QB position? If they are so natural and innate @ playing the position, what's up with the teams they were 1st with , and why wasn't it recognized that they all had the potential to be 1st ballot NFL HOFers?

• I mean they've led some of the most productive NFL offenses we've ever seen, yet they all didn't have it enough for their 1st NFL pit stops to recognize that they'd better keep and foster these guys on the field.
  
  BTW....he doesn't at all compare, but what the hell is Jared Goff doing up there in Detroit?

• They were all seen as guys that just didn't have it. I mean I cant be the only poster here that saw all of these storylines play out right before my eyes. But it's pretty easy for me to reject this "either you have it or you don't" theme because without gaining experience it's proven to be very easy to be skipped over in the NFL.

I think it's something that just sounds good to say, but is completely off from a a recent perspective. Looking @ the evidence, it just doesn't match up with the reality of the way things can go in the NFL. Only a max of 32 guys can start any given week, and you can give up on a guy quickly in the NFL if you so choose, but that doesn't mean he didn't have a natural ability to play QB given enough experience.

Waiting for the JaMarcus Russell, EJ Manuel and Akili Smith, Jake Locker montage.

To be fair, he should be in the Vince Young, Ryan Tannehill, Daniel Jones, Marcus Mariota line of montages. Unlike the top 4 I feel in this offense with Kyle and our weapons he will at the very least be serviceable in his own way.

Originally posted by random49er:

Lol Steve Young's 1st NFL Stop:
First 2 Seasons: 3-16 record, 11 TDs 21 INTs
Following Offseason: Bucs draft Vinnie Testaverde 1st Overall
We all know what followed

Then there's this guy that didn't have it enough to be kept:

Following his college career, Warner went undrafted in the 1994 NFL Draft. He was invited to try out for the Green Bay Packers' training camp in 1994, but was released before the regular season began.

And part of the reason he was let go is because he was competing with this guy...that was also a "didn't have it" guy @ his 1st stop:

"I remember Brett would see me and ask me when we were going to start playing him,'' he said. "I am thinking we have a Pro Bowl quarterback in Chris Miller and this rookie is telling me he is the best quarterback on the team. But the coaches were telling me he was drunk in meetings, was fat and erratic. After the season, I didn't have much of a leg to stand on. I thought it may be time to fess up and get rid of my mistake.''

And this guy got years of experience and the team still looked passed him...

And then this guy's timeline after being drafted 32nd overall:
Year 1: Backup to Doug Flutie
Year 2: 17 TDs, 16 INTs
Year 3: 11 TDs, 15 INTs
Year 4: Team drafts Philip Rivers before the season to replace him.

• In about a 15 year span, these guys pretty much took ownership of the QB position.

• Between 3 of these guys we have 7 NFL MVPs,...with Brees only attaining 2 Offensive POTY awards.
  
  
• Can we say that these 4 guys have the natural instincts to play the QB position? If they are so natural and innate @ playing the position, what's up with the teams they were 1st with , and why wasn't it recognized that they all had the potential to be 1st ballot NFL HOFers?

• I mean they've led some of the most productive NFL offenses we've ever seen, yet they all didn't have it enough for their 1st NFL pit stops to recognize that they'd better keep and foster these guys on the field.
  
  BTW....he doesn't at all compare, but what the hell is Jared Goff doing up there in Detroit?

• They were all seen as guys that just didn't have it. I mean I cant be the only poster here that saw all of these storylines play out right before my eyes. But it's pretty easy for me to reject this "either you have it or you don't" theme because without gaining experience it's proven to be very easy to be skipped over in the NFL.

I think it's something that just sounds good to say, but is completely off from a a recent perspective. Looking @ the evidence, it just doesn't match up with the reality of the way things can go in the NFL. Only a max of 32 guys can start any given week, and you can give up on a guy quickly in the NFL if you so choose, but that doesn't mean he didn't have a natural ability to play QB given enough experience.

I remember Young didn't even know how to hold a football properly at BYU 🙃

you don't wake up an amazing QB who can just throw the ball accurately and have coverages figured out. Each player has their own story and how they made it work (or didn't). Some rely on their god given ability early in their careers while they figure out the nuances of playing in the pocket. Others weren't lucky enough to have those abilities and have to work harder on those nuances to get where they are. Is it enough? The league will let you know.

the QB position isn't something that is figured out as soon as you get on the field. Progress and development are needed though. If your ceiling is reached and it's not enough to hang long-term, well that s**t happens all the time. If you don't put the work in regardless of how talented you are, you won't make it long either imo.

Like your examples above show, giving up on a player early is stupid. Fans are instant gratification emotional people. It's even more evident in our SM world. We can't fathom the idea of working hard and allowing for something great to happen after that (which might take time). They'd rather do a stupid dance on TikTok, go viral in hopes of making a couple bucks quickly lol.

Brock and Lance's career at QB aren't figured out at this moment. I'm down to just enjoy right now and let everything else figure itself out next yr. We got a great team and coaching staff. IMO either QB can win games for us. Which one can become that legit guy? No one knows right now…anyone pretending they do is being foolish (and likely has a narrative to push).

Hurts/Allen montage all the same. Montana didn't start a full season until YR3 same with McNair.

In the same breath we got people in here putting Brock in the Brady/Romo montage. To be fair he could just as easily be put in the Foles/Keenum montage. Hell Minshew on a horrible jags team put up 21 to 4 TD/INT in 2019. His jerseys were selling out in Duvall.

Truth is no one knows what will happen next yr, let alone the rest of this season. IMO acting like we have a final idea of what Lance is after 4QRs and a couple drives as QB1 is incredibly ignorant. Enjoy right now and worry about next yr…next yr. IMO we have two QBs that can win games with this coaching staff and roster. Who will be that dude long-term? That's a total guess.

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I've always wondered if being able to progress through reads fast and decisive was something you either have or you don't, ya know? Not saying you can't improve on it or learn it, but you'll never be great at it if processing and making decisions isn't a natural ability you have. Or if anyone can be great at with enough practice.

i also don't mean people just go play football for the first time and can immediately read and progress through a defense. Just that either it's natural for you or it feels like a chore.

Processing coverages is a learned trait. You only get better by playing more. Brock showed up with 1,500 passing attempts and 4 yrs worth of starts.

But some don't ever get a lot better at it and others puck it up really quickly.

Yeah they pick it purdy quickly rather than have their talent lanced while waiting around

Let's keep it civil, gents! Haha I am more the school of thought that the mental ability to process quickly and decisively is something you have or don't, I think what NY is saying is that you can definitely learn to do it and I agree with that. I just question if someone who doesn't have the natural ability of processing etc could ever be "great" at it. If that makes sense

Originally posted by tankle104:
Let's keep it civil, gents! Haha I am more the school of thought that the mental ability to process quickly and decisively is something you have or don't, I think what NY is saying is that you can definitely learn to do it and I agree with that. I just question if someone who doesn't have the natural ability of processing etc could ever be "great" at it. If that makes sense

Goatie has always had it out of lance and anyone who didn't think Jimmy was the "dude." I got no problem with him, but it's a bunch of bias takes and we all know it.

I don't see any issue with processing information with Lance. He was regarded as one of the best mentally in that draft. He was a 19 yr old running a bunch of similar concepts, under center, along with calling all the protections. That s**t doesn't really happen in college football. Let alone a redshirt freshmen.

Like Phoenix stated the NFL is much faster and someone with as little reps and recent playing time as he had, it's not shocking that he wasn't super consistent there. I think he actually made a lot of proper reads and got the ball out on time, more than some are saying. He's got a lot of work to do, but it's like people were tossing out these narratives of jusr horrible play and all this bad film, which imo isn't true.

Originally posted by random49er:
Random 9er Message Board: "You either got it or you don't."

/Steve Young Enters The Chat...

I'm not sure if you're referencing a post I made, either way I don't take offense, I just think there is a misunderstanding.

I wasn't referring that Lance didn't have it or anything like that. I was simply asking what others opinion was on the ability to process, progress, and be decisive mentally was something you could ever be great at if you weren't natural at it.

hate to break it to you, but not everyone is "equal" in this world. Some people are wired more cerebrally than others. Just like not everyone is created equally physically, I'm not 6'10 260 raw muscle special-freak athlete like Lebron (his actual height).

i absolutely love an underdog story and/or someone who was overlooked proving everyone wrong. It was never meant as a shot at Lance or anyone else.

If you were talking about someone else's post, then my bad. Just wanted to be clear cause people misinterpret posts all the time.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Goatie has always had it out of lance and anyone who didn't think Jimmy was the "dude." I got no problem with him, but it's a bunch of bias takes and we all know it.

I don't see any issue with processing information with Lance. He was regarded as one of the best mentally in that draft. He was a 19 yr old running a bunch of similar concepts, under center, along with calling all the protections. That s**t doesn't really happen in college football. Let alone a redshirt freshmen.

Like Phoenix stated the NFL is much faster and someone with as little reps and recent playing time as he had, it's not shocking that he wasn't super consistent there. I think he actually made a lot of proper reads and got the ball out on time, more than some are saying. He's got a lot of work to do, but it's like people were tossing out these narratives of jusr horrible play and all this bad film, which imo isn't true.

Yeah, my question was never a shot at Lance. It was honestly a genuine question that I was curious others opinions. Lances qb class actually had a lot of very intelligent QBs - Lawrence, Max, Fields (scored very very high on processing ability), Lance, Purdy. I may be missing some but I haven't really looked much into the other guys. Zach Wilson is a complete dip$#%t.

i don't think lance has played bad. I just don't think he's done much either. He's been okay and done some good things but definitely has a lot to improve on and will improve on. Kid has a great work ethic. Even if he doesn't end up staying here - he will go somewhere and get a chance.