Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Ghostofabshelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Right and like Hero stated, that's how these younger QBs are being taught to throw the ball. A lot of these young QBs are elite athletes now, it's not the Tom Brady's of the world that are becoming 5 star QB recruits. The whole point is to be able to move and make throws a long with standing in the pocket and throwing the ball. The league is changing and has been for a while. Tom Brady at 45 or however old he is, is one of one. Dude is so mentally ahead of everyone from decades of playing that he knows where to go before the ball is snapped. His footwork is pristine, which makes him so accurate. His pocket presence is elite. It's funny I saw a stat, Tommy threw more 20+ passing attempts then anyone in the league and yet he had the 2nd highest TTT in the NFL So the whole you need a elite pass-blocking OL in order to throw the ball downfield is kinda moot. You need an elite QB who can process pre/post. You need a scheme that doesn't allow a D to pin their ears back every down.

am I reading this right? 2nd highest time to throw and most 20 yard passes but don't need elite pass blocking to throw downfield?

From the #1 ranked OL (until Wirfs gets hurt again, of course). Must be nice to live in that world of reality.

In this situation I'm pretty sure that means his TTT is the second quickest. Which Is more consistent with NY's point

So Brady made his OL better?

Correct…Most people wouldn't be shocked by this (well maybe a couple in here).

With primarily the same OL/coaching staff Winston was near the top of the league in sacks the year prior.

it's down right stupid to not think having a QB the caliber of Brady wouldn't help any OL improve.

Originally posted by krizay:
Ironically both were down double digits to the guy everyone is ready to get rid of. And both big momentum plays came on punt throws by both QBs you mentioned.

You mean the guy who has been disgustedly bad in the playoffs and had one of the worst 4th QR QB ratings in the playoffs/SB ever?

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I've been hearing "the league is changing" my entire life. Yet QB's like Brady, Manning/Manning, Roethlisberger, etc. keep winning the majority of Super Bowls. Side arm throws make for cool highlights though.

A QB just won a sb who makes off platform throws/sidearm/etc. Mahomes won 2 years before. The top QBs in the league all fit this form. Brady is the exception right now, and he's not long for the league.

So 2 out of the last 3 seasons (one of which was a fluke win by Mahomes) invalidates the entire history of the NFL? Okay.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
Ironically both were down double digits to the guy everyone is ready to get rid of. And both big momentum plays came on punt throws by both QBs you mentioned.

You mean the guy who has been disgustedly bad in the playoffs and had one of the worst 4th QR QB ratings in the playoffs/SB ever?

You're only further proving our point lol. Average play from a pocket passing game manager was nearly enough to overcome these "off platform" QB's that you guys adore so much.

Originally posted by Furlow:
You're only further proving our point lol. Average play from a pocket passing game manager was nearly enough to overcome these "off platform" QB's that you guys adore so much.

Yeah and when you need to win and make a play a guy like Jimmy s**ts the bed. He can't play out of structure. Meanwhile you got Mahomes on a 3rd and 15 running back 15 yard and throwing a 50 yard pass off his back foot with Buck all over him. that's the difference between winning and losing.

Stafford is an elite thrower that isn't gonna fold like a lawn chair if there's pressure up the middle. He proved that vs SF.

we want a QB that can do ALL of it. Someone that actually makes everyone better around him, not dependent of everyone else having to execute perfectly to make s**t work.

Originally posted by Furlow:
So 2 out of the last 3 seasons (one of which was a fluke win by Mahomes) invalidates the entire history of the NFL? Okay.

lol Mahomes is a fluke but none of Brady or Eli's wins are? okay

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
Ironically both were down double digits to the guy everyone is ready to get rid of. And both big momentum plays came on punt throws by both QBs you mentioned.

You mean the guy who has been disgustedly bad in the playoffs and had one of the worst 4th QR QB ratings in the playoffs/SB ever?

Yes… that's the guy that was winning both games mentioned.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
You're only further proving our point lol. Average play from a pocket passing game manager was nearly enough to overcome these "off platform" QB's that you guys adore so much.

Yeah and when you need to win and make a play a guy like Jimmy s**ts the bed. He can't play out of structure. Meanwhile you got Mahomes on a 3rd and 15 running back 15 yard and throwing a 50 yard pass off his back foot with Buck all over him. that's the difference between winning and losing.

Stafford is an elite thrower that isn't gonna fold like a lawn chair if there's pressure up the middle. He proved that vs SF.

we want a QB that can do ALL of it. Someone that actually makes everyone better around him, not dependent of everyone else having to execute perfectly to make s**t work.

It's not like you don't have a point, but only one QB wins the SB each year…. It can't be that every other QB is s**t. There is a counter for every point you're trying to make (for example, stafford threw it straight to tartt, Mahomes s**t the bed vs cinci etc etc).

you're not wrong, you're just cherry picking 🤣🤣

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Yes… that's the guy that was winning both games mentioned.

Yeah and Jared Goff made it to a SB too lol.

when it mattered neither showed up. Jimmy missed half a dozen reads in the NFCC. Should have had multiple INTs.

you want to win you now have to compete with the Mahomes/Allen's of the NFL. Unless your Brady with decades of reps and knowing where to go before the ball is snapped…then pure in the pocket passing (and nothing else) ain't gonna cut it anymore. You need both now.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
It's not like you don't have a point, but only one QB wins the SB each year…. It can't be that every other QB is s**t. There is a counter for every point you're trying to make (for example, stafford threw it straight to tartt, Mahomes s**t the bed vs cinci etc etc).

you're not wrong, you're just cherry picking 🤣🤣

And Burrow most certainly isn't a pure in the pocket passer either. Jimmy had multiple dropped INTs that game. The difference is when a guy like Stafford messes up he can making up for it. Jimmy not so much.

i feel like saying in the pocket passing QBs are winning all the SBs, when it reality Brady has won like 70% of them is cherry picking 😂

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
It's not like you don't have a point, but only one QB wins the SB each year…. It can't be that every other QB is s**t. There is a counter for every point you're trying to make (for example, stafford threw it straight to tartt, Mahomes s**t the bed vs cinci etc etc).

you're not wrong, you're just cherry picking 🤣🤣

And Burrow most certainly isn't a pure in the pocket passer either. Jimmy had multiple dropped INTs that game. The difference is when a guy like Stafford messes up he can making up for it. Jimmy not so much.

i feel like saying in the pocket passing QBs are winning all the SBs, when it reality Brady has won like 70% of them is cherry picking 😂

History is in your favor, so I won't argue. This convo would have been a little more interesting if tartt had hung on to that ball…. I wonder what your views on stafford would have been then? Jimmy 3-0 vs stafford with a similarly talented rams team would have made your argument a little more difficult.

but, we lost. So you're right. Goddamn it tartt

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
It's not like you don't have a point, but only one QB wins the SB each year…. It can't be that every other QB is s**t. There is a counter for every point you're trying to make (for example, stafford threw it straight to tartt, Mahomes s**t the bed vs cinci etc etc).

you're not wrong, you're just cherry picking 🤣🤣

And Burrow most certainly isn't a pure in the pocket passer either. Jimmy had multiple dropped INTs that game. The difference is when a guy like Stafford messes up he can making up for it. Jimmy not so much.

i feel like saying in the pocket passing QBs are winning all the SBs, when it reality Brady has won like 70% of them is cherry picking 😂

History is in your favor, so I won't argue. This convo would have been a little more interesting if tartt had hung on to that ball…. I wonder what your views on stafford would have been then? Jimmy 3-0 vs stafford with a similarly talented rams team would have made your argument a little more difficult.

but, we lost. So you're right. Goddamn it tartt

Even if tartt caught the ball then what, we still lose

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
It's not like you don't have a point, but only one QB wins the SB each year…. It can't be that every other QB is s**t. There is a counter for every point you're trying to make (for example, stafford threw it straight to tartt, Mahomes s**t the bed vs cinci etc etc).

you're not wrong, you're just cherry picking 🤣🤣

And Burrow most certainly isn't a pure in the pocket passer either. Jimmy had multiple dropped INTs that game. The difference is when a guy like Stafford messes up he can making up for it. Jimmy not so much.

i feel like saying in the pocket passing QBs are winning all the SBs, when it reality Brady has won like 70% of them is cherry picking 😂

History is in your favor, so I won't argue. This convo would have been a little more interesting if tartt had hung on to that ball…. I wonder what your views on stafford would have been then? Jimmy 3-0 vs stafford with a similarly talented rams team would have made your argument a little more difficult.

but, we lost. So you're right. Goddamn it tartt

Even if tartt caught the ball then what, we still lose

Certain people like to leave out how much time was still on the clock after the Tartt drop. Jimmy and the offense did absolutely nothing in the 4th Qtr, 0 pts

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
It's not like you don't have a point, but only one QB wins the SB each year…. It can't be that every other QB is s**t. There is a counter for every point you're trying to make (for example, stafford threw it straight to tartt, Mahomes s**t the bed vs cinci etc etc).

you're not wrong, you're just cherry picking 🤣🤣

And Burrow most certainly isn't a pure in the pocket passer either. Jimmy had multiple dropped INTs that game. The difference is when a guy like Stafford messes up he can making up for it. Jimmy not so much.

i feel like saying in the pocket passing QBs are winning all the SBs, when it reality Brady has won like 70% of them is cherry picking 😂

History is in your favor, so I won't argue. This convo would have been a little more interesting if tartt had hung on to that ball…. I wonder what your views on stafford would have been then? Jimmy 3-0 vs stafford with a similarly talented rams team would have made your argument a little more difficult.

but, we lost. So you're right. Goddamn it tartt

Even if tartt caught the ball then what, we still lose

Certain people like to leave out how much time was still on the clock after the Tartt drop. Jimmy and the offense did absolutely nothing in the 4th Qtr, 0 pts

So caught up that you can't even imagine a scenario in which we won in order to envision how opinions may have differed?

okokokok carry on boys 👍🏻👍🏻. I didn't mean to interrupt.

let's go Trey!!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
You're only further proving our point lol. Average play from a pocket passing game manager was nearly enough to overcome these "off platform" QB's that you guys adore so much.

Yeah and when you need to win and make a play a guy like Jimmy s**ts the bed. He can't play out of structure. Meanwhile you got Mahomes on a 3rd and 15 running back 15 yard and throwing a 50 yard pass off his back foot with Buck all over him. that's the difference between winning and losing.

Stafford is an elite thrower that isn't gonna fold like a lawn chair if there's pressure up the middle. He proved that vs SF.

we want a QB that can do ALL of it. Someone that actually makes everyone better around him, not dependent of everyone else having to execute perfectly to make s**t work.

My point isn't Jimmy is better than Mahomes. What I'm saying is if Mahomes had Brady's mechanics and footwork, he would be a better QB. Again, sweet highlights though, I know that's what matters to you guys.