Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Furlow:


All of his 2019 TD passes. Very different (and much nicer in my opinion) release. Tight spirals. Maybe he's having trouble adjusting to the NFL footballs, which are slightly different in size to college footballs? I don't know, just a guess. Don't know why that would change his mechanics so much though.

ya this is what i was talking about. something changed with his mechanics after college, not sure why.

His throwing motion in college looks smoother but a bit slower. The spirals are much cleaner. I just compared it to the Texans game and his throwing motion is much quicker, even on deep balls. On deep balls, the throwing motion looks a little rushed and on short passes, he's got this flick motion that I didn't see in the college tape. I'm guessing it's cuz he's nervous because it looks like it gets smoother over the game.

If you look at the pick he throws at Kittle, look how he's rushing the throw, even though he had plenty of time https://youtu.be/VJO3WxmiEzk?t=111

Compare it to this pass to Aiyuk, right around the time he started looking much better. His arm motion looks much more fluid, and closer to his college tape https://youtu.be/VJO3WxmiEzk?t=202

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Trey's 116 QB rating was higher than any game Lawrence,Fields, and Z Wilson had this season. And higher than all but 4 of Mac's games. And it was his 2nd career NFL start and 1st in over 2 months.

Wow!

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Still no clue where you're going with #3, but I'll try. I never said that he shouldn't try to improve his mechanics, even mid-season. That's fine. But what we saw on Sunday was in no way, shape or form an improvement over his 2019 or even 2020 mechanics. What you see if you watch tape from 2019 to 2020 to 2021 is a degradation in his footwork, mechanics, and release. His ball did not wobble in 2019. His release was tighter, faster, and over the top in 2019. So something is "different," without a doubt. I hope it's not intentional, because it's going away from what is traditionally successful. I'll chalk it up to rookie jitters and not many game reps to watch film and make improvements on.

Not going to contend anything is improved. Clearly, things are under construction, per Shanahan's comments. That might induce some wobbly passes because you're going a little more away from your routine throwing motions you've already perfected to new one(s) that might take a little while to perfect.

Is this a legit possibility or not?

Originally posted by Furlow:
Well according to Shanahan, he's "trying to tighten up his mechanics" which to random means he's "throwing it differently" and "making modifications midseason." Lol.

If something's not the same as it previously was, it's different/modified. So maybe the results aren't always perfect right away, no?

Let's just leave it at you don't know much about QB throwing mechanics, and call it a day with this discussion. Yes, his throwing motion is different, and yes he's likely trying to improve it. So you're "right" in that sense. But it's not better, it's markedly worse.

Originally posted by Redandgoldsf:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Furlow:


All of his 2019 TD passes. Very different (and much nicer in my opinion) release. Tight spirals. Maybe he's having trouble adjusting to the NFL footballs, which are slightly different in size to college footballs? I don't know, just a guess. Don't know why that would change his mechanics so much though.

ya this is what i was talking about. something changed with his mechanics after college, not sure why.

His throwing motion in college looks smoother but a bit slower. The spirals are much cleaner. I just compared it to the Texans game and his throwing motion is much quicker, even on deep balls. On deep balls, the throwing motion looks a little rushed and on short passes, he's got this flick motion that I didn't see in the college tape. I'm guessing it's cuz he's nervous because it looks like it gets smoother over the game.

If you look at the pick he throws at Kittle, look how he's rushing the throw, even though he had plenty of time https://youtu.be/VJO3WxmiEzk?t=111

Compare it to this pass to Aiyuk, right around the time he started looking much better. His arm motion looks much more fluid, and closer to his college tape https://youtu.be/VJO3WxmiEzk?t=202

Good post and GREAT eye. Hopefully random sees this and watches both.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Let's just leave it at you don't know much about QB throwing mechanics, and call it a day with this discussion. Yes, his throwing motion is different, and yes he's likely trying to improve it. So you're "right" in that sense. But it's not better, it's markedly worse.

Was only commenting on the possible reason for less spirals.

Originally posted by NinerTy:

Originally posted by Giedi:
There are always negative ninnies on *every* board, not only just this one. So personally I'm excited, but there will be people that won't be.

I'm excited how the offseason will play out because I fully expect Kyle to start drafting Trey Lance players that will improve and extend his capabilities. Maybe more OLinemen to protect Trey, bigger and faster RB's to help the run game for Trey to lean on, like more of (Sermon and Wilson) who are much bigger backs than Mostert and Brieda. Maybe faster WR's like Goodwin 2.0 or Tyreek Hill 2.0. We shall see.

Is Coach Shanahan going to draft guys for Lance or guys for himself? Remember, Coach likes players he feels fit his schemes. If there is a defensive secondary threat available to the Niners when they are drafting (a WR who can "take the top off") does Kyle pull the trigger, or does he pick another RB he likes? There are more than a few good players in the NFL right now that could have been playing for the Red and Gold😎

A bit of both. Trey was drafted because he fit Kyle's offense. Treys NDSU college offense was very similar to Kyle's pro offense. As for Trey - Kyle will try to get players that make Trey more effective as an aid to him in 2022. While I don't think Kyle's offense will really change between Jimmy and Trey, and it didn't really in the Texan's game, as far as I could tell - what changed was the velocity of the throws and the longer range. What kind of players would enhance Trey's arm and his accuracy on the move? That's what Kyle would be thinking about in the offseason. Aiyuk, Deebo, Jauan aren't burners but YAC monsters. Goodwin was let go a year ago. I think one obvious place that can help Trey is a burner on offense to free up the YAC monsters underneath. Trey drilling 20 yard deep outs to a burner will help the middle of the field with regards to Kittle and the rest of the receiving corps. Better OLinemen to protect Trey is another. Another Trey Sermon (possibly another Deebo 2.0?) that can run and catch. Maybe a younger version of Juszczyk, who isn't getting any younger along with Trent Williams and Alex Mack? I don't know, but I'm excited about the offseason as much as I'm excited about the possibility of the playoffs.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NinerTy:

Originally posted by Giedi:
There are always negative ninnies on *every* board, not only just this one. So personally I'm excited, but there will be people that won't be.

I'm excited how the offseason will play out because I fully expect Kyle to start drafting Trey Lance players that will improve and extend his capabilities. Maybe more OLinemen to protect Trey, bigger and faster RB's to help the run game for Trey to lean on, like more of (Sermon and Wilson) who are much bigger backs than Mostert and Brieda. Maybe faster WR's like Goodwin 2.0 or Tyreek Hill 2.0. We shall see.

Is Coach Shanahan going to draft guys for Lance or guys for himself? Remember, Coach likes players he feels fit his schemes. If there is a defensive secondary threat available to the Niners when they are drafting (a WR who can "take the top off") does Kyle pull the trigger, or does he pick another RB he likes? There are more than a few good players in the NFL right now that could have been playing for the Red and Gold😎

A bit of both. Trey was drafted because he fit Kyle's offense. Treys NDSU college offense was very similar to Kyle's pro offense. As for Trey - Kyle will try to get players that make Trey more effective as an aid to him in 2022. While I don't think Kyle's offense will really change between Jimmy and Trey, and it didn't really in the Texan's game, as far as I could tell - what changed was the velocity of the throws and the longer range. What kind of players would enhance Trey's arm and his accuracy on the move? That's what Kyle would be thinking about in the offseason. Aiyuk, Deebo, Jauan aren't burners but YAC monsters. Goodwin was let go a year ago. I think one obvious place that can help Trey is a burner on offense to free up the YAC monsters underneath. Trey drilling 20 yard deep outs to a burner will help the middle of the field with regards to Kittle and the rest of the receiving corps. Better OLinemen to protect Trey is another. Another Trey Sermon (possibly another Deebo 2.0?) that can run and catch. Maybe a younger version of Juszczyk, who isn't getting any younger along with Trent Williams and Alex Mack? I don't know, but I'm excited about the offseason as much as I'm excited about the possibility of the playoffs.

Yeah, I'm excited about the offseason, too.

Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Last week I wanted trey to start because it was obvious the niners would beat the Texans with either qb.

This week I don't want jimmy starting because he's clearly unhealthy. I give trey no chance at winning against the rams. In my opinion, we are f**ked no matter the qb. Go falcons.

I hate that I agree with this post. If Trey beats the Rams there is no turning back.

If Trey loses to the Rams and the Falcons lose, there's no turning back either. The only way Jimmy plays for the 49ers again is if it's this season — either vs the Rams or in the playoffs. The only possible exception I can see to this is if Trey s**ts the bed AND the 49ers win the Super Bowl with Jimmy. Jimmy's contract is just not something the team can handle after this year.

Originally posted by Furlow:
A real quote, sweet! "Tightened his throwing motion up a bit" (debatable) are MUCH different than random's BS quotes that no one said (except him) "throwing it differently" and "making modifications midseason." And no one with eyes would say that Trey's throwing mechanics were "tighter" on Sunday versus 2020 nor 2019. Just go watch the damn tape. Sheesh.

No you can see it tightened up a little...other people that watch film has stated it as well. but go on...

Originally posted by 9erReign:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9erReign:
Missing lots of wide open guys, timid to throw the ball, bails from the pocket too early, bad throws.

Everything but bails from the pocket to soon sounds like our $100M 8 yr vet

Timid to throw the ball? That is Jimmys greatest strength, he makes quick decisions and lets it go quick. That typically keeps the chains moving and wins games in the NFL. It also causes at least a couple bone headed plays or turnovers a game lol.

I think the cause of those turnovers is either vision or not reading the defense post-snap (e.g., predetermining where he's throwing the ball before the snap, and not adjusting post-snap to what the defense does — I know the signs. Did the same thing when I played in b***hass high school). The cause of the success on that is his lightning release. It allows him to be right even when he's wrong.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Too many tipped passes by LB underneath. Lance should fixed that by next game. A little more touch to get it over them first.

Literally one play... EDIT — which was primarily caused by him hesitating, not his touch or release.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Last week I wanted trey to start because it was obvious the niners would beat the Texans with either qb.

This week I don't want jimmy starting because he's clearly unhealthy. I give trey no chance at winning against the rams. In my opinion, we are f**ked no matter the qb. Go falcons.

I hate that I agree with this post. If Trey beats the Rams there is no turning back.

If Trey loses to the Rams and the Falcons lose, there's no turning back either. The only way Jimmy plays for the 49ers again is if it's this season — either vs the Rams or in the playoffs. The only possible exception I can see to this is if Trey s**ts the bed AND the 49ers win the Super Bowl with Jimmy. Jimmy's contract is just not something the team can handle after this year.

I don't know much about grade 3 sprains, but I can't see Jimmy playing against the Rams if he can't grip the football or throw without pain.

Personally I think Jimmy's played his last game as a 49er because of that injury. The cap space alone that is freed up by letting Jimmy go is considerable. You can sign Arden Key and get a top flight cornerback a great young OLineman, and a couple of good depth players with Jimmy's cap being freed up.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by GangstaGangsta:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Last week I wanted trey to start because it was obvious the niners would beat the Texans with either qb.

This week I don't want jimmy starting because he's clearly unhealthy. I give trey no chance at winning against the rams. In my opinion, we are f**ked no matter the qb. Go falcons.

I hate that I agree with this post. If Trey beats the Rams there is no turning back.

If Trey loses to the Rams and the Falcons lose, there's no turning back either. The only way Jimmy plays for the 49ers again is if it's this season — either vs the Rams or in the playoffs. The only possible exception I can see to this is if Trey s**ts the bed AND the 49ers win the Super Bowl with Jimmy. Jimmy's contract is just not something the team can handle after this year.

I don't know much about grade 3 sprains, but I can't see Jimmy playing against the Rams if he can't grip the football or throw without pain.

Personally I think Jimmy's played his last game as a 49er because of that injury. The cap space alone that is freed up by letting Jimmy go is considerable. You can sign Arden Key and get a top flight cornerback a great young OLineman, and a couple of good depth players with Jimmy's cap being freed up.

That money is earmarked to Bosa and Deebo

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Redandgoldsf:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Furlow:


All of his 2019 TD passes. Very different (and much nicer in my opinion) release. Tight spirals. Maybe he's having trouble adjusting to the NFL footballs, which are slightly different in size to college footballs? I don't know, just a guess. Don't know why that would change his mechanics so much though.

ya this is what i was talking about. something changed with his mechanics after college, not sure why.

His throwing motion in college looks smoother but a bit slower. The spirals are much cleaner. I just compared it to the Texans game and his throwing motion is much quicker, even on deep balls. On deep balls, the throwing motion looks a little rushed and on short passes, he's got this flick motion that I didn't see in the college tape. I'm guessing it's cuz he's nervous because it looks like it gets smoother over the game.

If you look at the pick he throws at Kittle, look how he's rushing the throw, even though he had plenty of time https://youtu.be/VJO3WxmiEzk?t=111

Compare it to this pass to Aiyuk, right around the time he started looking much better. His arm motion looks much more fluid, and closer to his college tape https://youtu.be/VJO3WxmiEzk?t=202

Good post and GREAT eye. Hopefully random sees this and watches both.

You said his release was slower lol. Now you're agreeing it's faster. Seems like u just wanted to argue with random, shocker...

Originally posted by 9erReign:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Too many tipped passes by LB underneath. Lance should fixed that by next game. A little more touch to get it over them first.

Had the problem in his first start. And again in his second start. What makes you think it gets corrected in #3?

This happened literally ONE TIME...

The near pick was because Trey failed to make an accurate enough pass (based on the video, the DB is with Aiyuk when Trey starts to throw, so this isn't even a misread, like I initially thought. It's just a bad pass).