Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
100%. People want Trey developed for 2022, Kyle is fighting to win games. Cause that's his job.

His job is tied to Lance, that decision was made already…people care about winning now which is fine but how's that gonna be any different next yr? He's gonna be raw in regards to playing football now or next yr all the same. We gonna call kyle's head in 2022 if we don't win with a kid who will then not have played meaningful football games since 2019? What's the expectations then?

what if we continue to lose with Jimmy all the same this yr? Gotta ride it out with a guy that has no future here just because? He's not Brett Farve or even alex Smith in 2017.

If we continue to lose with JG, then I would be perfectly fine with moving to Lance and let the kid takes his lumps. How many times have I said it but you keep skimming over it like I'm digging a foxhole or something. You fight to make the playoffs until you're eliminated. Until that point - you keep fighting on and you go with who gives you the best chance to win. Don't know why this is such a crazy idea. If we get eliminated from the playoffs - sure, go ahead and start Lance, you got nothing to lose. Let the kid go play and see what he can do.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Somebody tell me how other teams draft Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes and we get this?

Those guys were ready to go day 1. Stars by year 2.

Sorry Lance is nowhere near that category. He can't even throw a tight spiral or an accurate ball. He's very confused on his reads and makes bad decisions. That can be from being young. Those other guys were much more ready day 1. I just don't see it in the passing game with Lance. He's very inaccurate. The ones I mentioned showed it year 1. At least in flashes.

I just don't see a super star passer in Lance. He's inaccurate even when he makes the right reads. I'm worried guys. I think we gave up too much.

Wut?

Lol lawd

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Somebody tell me how other teams draft Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes and we get this?

Those guys were ready to go day 1. Stars by year 2.

Sorry Lance is nowhere near that category. He can't even throw a tight spiral or an accurate ball. He's very confused on his reads and makes bad decisions. That can be from being young. Those other guys were much more ready day 1. I just don't see it in the passing game with Lance. He's very inaccurate. The ones I mentioned showed it year 1. At least in flashes.

I just don't see a super star passer in Lance. He's inaccurate even when he makes the right reads. I'm worried guys. I think we gave up too much.

Wut?

Lance is like Tim Tebow minus the clutch we're winning this in the final seconds gene. I wonder if any other clubs were remotely considering him at the top of the draft.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Somebody tell me how other teams draft Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes and we get this?

Those guys were ready to go day 1. Stars by year 2.

Sorry Lance is nowhere near that category. He can't even throw a tight spiral or an accurate ball. He's very confused on his reads and makes bad decisions. That can be from being young. Those other guys were much more ready day 1. I just don't see it in the passing game with Lance. He's very inaccurate. The ones I mentioned showed it year 1. At least in flashes.

I just don't see a super star passer in Lance. He's inaccurate even when he makes the right reads. I'm worried guys. I think we gave up too much.

The guy that was on the bench nearly his entire rookie year was ready to go day 1?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Somebody tell me how other teams draft Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes and we get this?

Those guys were ready to go day 1. Stars by year 2.

Sorry Lance is nowhere near that category. He can't even throw a tight spiral or an accurate ball. He's very confused on his reads and makes bad decisions. That can be from being young. Those other guys were much more ready day 1. I just don't see it in the passing game with Lance. He's very inaccurate. The ones I mentioned showed it year 1. At least in flashes.

I just don't see a super star passer in Lance. He's inaccurate even when he makes the right reads. I'm worried guys. I think we gave up too much.

The guy that was on the bench nearly his entire rookie year was ready to go day 1?

Yeah but he could play better than this. Even in preseason he could throw an accurate ball.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Somebody tell me how other teams draft Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes and we get this?

Those guys were ready to go day 1. Stars by year 2.

Sorry Lance is nowhere near that category. He can't even throw a tight spiral or an accurate ball. He's very confused on his reads and makes bad decisions. That can be from being young. Those other guys were much more ready day 1. I just don't see it in the passing game with Lance. He's very inaccurate. The ones I mentioned showed it year 1. At least in flashes.

I just don't see a super star passer in Lance. He's inaccurate even when he makes the right reads. I'm worried guys. I think we gave up too much.

Wut?

Lol lawd

I was gonna type out a long a$$ response to that trash, but why bother. Its that ridiculous..............

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Somebody tell me how other teams draft Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes and we get this?

Those guys were ready to go day 1. Stars by year 2.

Sorry Lance is nowhere near that category. He can't even throw a tight spiral or an accurate ball. He's very confused on his reads and makes bad decisions. That can be from being young. Those other guys were much more ready day 1. I just don't see it in the passing game with Lance. He's very inaccurate. The ones I mentioned showed it year 1. At least in flashes.

I just don't see a super star passer in Lance. He's inaccurate even when he makes the right reads. I'm worried guys. I think we gave up too much.

The guy that was on the bench nearly his entire rookie year was ready to go day 1?

He could throw an accurate ball in the preseason or if they needed him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm just done with Jimmy and have been for a while...regardless of everything else he was never gonna be this pro-bowl caliber QB and got paid like he was. Toss in injuries and here we are. They could put about 15 other QBs in his position and got the same results.

I'm not about to compare a 8 yr vet to a 21 yr old who hasn't gotten a real start since 2019. SF made their choice when they moved up for Lance, at that point it should have been about developing him, not trying to run it back with a bunch of brittle resigning's and QB. We're seeing the results of that now

I don't think this is a SB contending team, didn't before the season started. You think Jimmy is good enough to beat all these top tier teams and I do not.

So like you said even if Trey develops, we have a shaky OL, well okay that doesn't make this team a SB caliber team regardless of who's the QB. You said Jimmy masks all this, yet say the WRs aren't getting open quickly...so his skill set doesn't really mask anything if no one is getting open. Lance isn't gonna have perfection at any point to develop...there will always be holes and good QB play will mask it. Kid needs to play and no amount of sitting on the bench will replace what he got yesterday.

This team needs to have one QB and get reps with him, Jimmy and Lance play vastly different and that f**ks everything up. Some of those holding calls were because they're not use to a scrambling QB. That's something that needs to be developed upon as well.

They have two weeks to get one guy and this team on the same page, I'll take the one with a vastly higher upside, who's actually part of the future, and isn't injured. I'm guessing suborn Kyle will go with banged up Jimmy and I'm sure it will be no different then what we've seen

Well, you should just quit posting about him then, that seems like a pretty simple solution to that problem. I'm sure there are many other topics in this forum that we could benefit from your encyclopedic knowledge of the game.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Well the half circle looks different than Jimmys that's for sure

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by thl408:
If Kyle goes full on "let's develop Trey" in week 5, that's a slap in the face to vet leaders like Trent Williams, Warner, Kittle. Besides game losses, the worst thing for a head coach is losing the locker room's vets. It doesn't matter how much Kyle wants to develop Trey, he cannot lose the vets in the locker room in week 6 of the season.

Exactly. People think ok lets just throw Trey out there... well there are multiple vets that have bonuses and money on the line if they make playoffs, if they get X amount of catches/yards... yada yada yada. A coach cant tank a season for one player when many others still need certain benchmarks to obtain. Not saying the coach needs to help everyone make money... but you cant show favoritism (like how some on the zone want lance to drop back 50 times for his development) on the hopes of one guy and expect the locker room is just gonna go along with it when money is on the line.

Kyle knows better than anyone what Trey can do and what he is still trying to learn and was trying to do the best he could. Think of RG3, he put him in the best position to win even though the offense looked night and day compared to a Kirk Cousins offense. The difference now is that back then NFL defenses werent prepared for the new wave of QBs that can run... but now schemes have adjusted for that. DCs arent gonna get caught with their pants down just because a QB is athletic enough to turn into a RB on certain plays.

Yup. Eric Davis said the exact same thing about how a veteran would view the permanent move to Trey this early and NY85 called his take stupid. LOL

Now tell me out Josh Allen and Justin Herbert. They can play really well year 1 and are stars by year 2. So you want to take Mahomes out of it. Take him out.

This guy can't even throw a spiral or an accurate ball. He's so confused on his reads. He has no idea what's going on.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
100%. People want Trey developed for 2022, Kyle is fighting to win games. Cause that's his job.

His job is tied to Lance, that decision was made already…people care about winning now which is fine but how's that gonna be any different next yr? He's gonna be raw in regards to playing football now or next yr all the same. We gonna call kyle's head in 2022 if we don't win with a kid who will then not have played meaningful football games since 2019? What's the expectations then?

what if we continue to lose with Jimmy all the same this yr? Gotta ride it out with a guy that has no future here just because? He's not Brett Farve or even alex Smith in 2017.

If we continue to lose with JG, then I would be perfectly fine with moving to Lance and let the kid takes his lumps. How many times have I said it but you keep skimming over it like I'm digging a foxhole or something. You fight to make the playoffs until you're eliminated. Until that point - you keep fighting on and you go with who gives you the best chance to win. Don't know why this is such a crazy idea. If we get eliminated from the playoffs - sure, go ahead and start Lance, you got nothing to lose. Let the kid go play and see what he can do.

Agree - the bold.

Originally posted by ramonalejandro:

You've decided Mac Jones is ready and better based on his 66.2 passer rating yesterday and the Patriots averaging 5.8 yards per play vs. a terrible Texans team? When the 49ers averaged 5.7 vs. Arizona? Again, argue what you want, but I've got arguments, too. https://t.co/18zX8e84EV

— Tim Kawakami (@timkawakami) October 11, 2021

I think Tim is mixing qbr and passer rating up. His qb rating was 95.3.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
100%. People want Trey developed for 2022, Kyle is fighting to win games. Cause that's his job.

His job is tied to Lance, that decision was made already…people care about winning now which is fine but how's that gonna be any different next yr? He's gonna be raw in regards to playing football now or next yr all the same. We gonna call kyle's head in 2022 if we don't win with a kid who will then not have played meaningful football games since 2019? What's the expectations then?

what if we continue to lose with Jimmy all the same this yr? Gotta ride it out with a guy that has no future here just because? He's not Brett Farve or even alex Smith in 2017.

If we continue to lose with JG, then I would be perfectly fine with moving to Lance and let the kid takes his lumps. How many times have I said it but you keep skimming over it like I'm digging a foxhole or something. You fight to make the playoffs until you're eliminated. Until that point - you keep fighting on and you go with who gives you the best chance to win. Don't know why this is such a crazy idea. If we get eliminated from the playoffs - sure, go ahead and start Lance, you got nothing to lose. Let the kid go play and see what he can do.

When I say - develop Lance for 2022 - doesn't mean giving up on this season. What I mean is - if you give him these 12 games - he has a chance to be good enough to make this a title contending team with similar defense to what we have right now. Of course - I'd like to add a deep threat at WR with the money we save after cutting Jimmy.

I also think Lance gives us similar chances of winning games THIS YEAR as Jimmy. If couple calls or plays go our way - I think we win yesterday even after couple of easy drops from our WRs and couple of ridiculous catches by their Wrs.

If Shanahan wasn't so gung-ho on going for almost every 4th down and kicked 2 FGs instead - and punted in the 4th quarter - they likely don't score 17 points and we would have a chance to win that game.

There were lot of mistakes and bad decisions made from almost everyone in the game. Don't think if you switch Jimmy with Lance in yesterday's game - outcome is different if same calls and decisions were made.