Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

PFF has a metric called "Big-Time Throws" which essentially are passes that are graded +1 or higher in our grading system. Lance had two yesterday, which is two more than Garoppolo has had so far this season. #49ers

— Jeff Deeney (@PFF_Jeff) October 11, 2021

It's gonna be annoying that they have two weeks now to get him up to speed and they're gonna instead give all those reps to a banged up Jimmy G

Super frustrating. But likely.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by wolfpack2192:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Lance proved today why he should sit for the next 2 years

The OL didn't help him today - he was constantly having to tuck the ball and run.

Same Oline Jimmy had but he still did better with that then Trey

Jimmy would have been sacked 10 times if he had played today.

I disagree. I believe Jimmy would have been sacked today yes, however he would have also hit the check down most the time also resulting in positive yards.

As I stated before, I was exaggerating on the 10 sacks. Still, Jimmy would have gone down a couple of times, even with that quick release.

That's right. jimmy slides forward in the pocket which is what the oline is used to. He would have been sacked one more time but also completed 3-4 more.

Any opinion on the batted balls?

Two reasons:

1. He takes a long windup which allows the DL time to get up in the air to block the ball. That is a mechanical flaw that needs to be corrected.

2. He was hesitant to make the throw. That gave the DL time to push forward and be in a better position to block. That is a rookie mistake that should be eliminated with more experience.

In short, he played like an inexperienced rookie, which is what he is.

All true but you left out the fact that McGlinchey was getting torched all day. The line was getting pushed back which put the pass rushers closer.

Ya gotta love the way that some posters in here keep saying, "well, if Kyle just did what I wanted him to do and saw the things the way I see, the team would be much better off". There's probably a reason why Kyle got hired to be the HC of the 49ers and we're all doing whatever it is we do for a living. I'm not saying that Kyle is beyond criticism, there seemed to be a lot of questionable play calling yesterday, but one of the things I have learned from watching Jonnydel's videos is that things aren't always what they seem and there are a lot of reasons why a play that might look like one thing on an initial viewing becomes something else when you break it down into it's component parts. One of the most interesting things I saw this year was his video on the long drive against Philly showing how Mitchell was often just a tad late on his cuts and then hearing Kyle say how that used to be Raheem's problem as well but they coached him up and got him to be really effective at it.

My initial thought yesterday was that Lance was running way too much, but that may well just reflect my own personal bias against running QBs as opposed to mobile OBs. I hate running QBs and don't ever want my QB to be responsible for 83% of the team's total yards, or whatever the number was. Get the ball out of your hands and into the hands of your play makers. It's a team game, let the team contribute, but perhaps the tape tells a different story.

Either way the vibe I am getting from a lot of these posts is that many people have already given up on the season and are ready to throw in the towel just to "hurry" Lance's development along, which is probably another reason why Kyle is the coach of the 49ers and we are all sitting at home watching on Sundays, The team clearly seems to be a little out of sync, unlike 2019 when everything seemed to kind of fall in place each week, I still think there is plenty of time for them to iron out their problems and get untracked. Hopefully the bye will give them the time they need to heal up a bit and get refocused on the task ahead. Go Niners!

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Maybe BB still has a lot of confidence in him...

ahh no he's all in with McCorkle...that team isn't winning s**t this yr and is all about developing their QB.

Also they have absolutely no money left. Jimmy isn't getting moved.

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
Jimmy cold have a long career as a back-up. I know teams are desperate for starters but he can't make it through a game let alone a season. He would be an a-line backup in the league.

He'll be a Patriot once again Imo. The pats will probably sign him to be a back-up for Jones after the Niners release him at the end of the year. Good for the Pats and JG. Everyone's happy.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And not every call was a legit hold, a lot of "flopping" by AZ. Refs could call holding damn near every play, one team goes full LBJ flopping mode and the refs see it and will always call it. SF tries to play through the holds and doesn't get the call.

Now that it's a qb you fully support you're seeing the things I've been pointing out all year.

Lack of OL pass pro, lack of WR separation, lack of run game.

I've been saying, Jimmy has actually been masking some of these issues with quick processing and quick release - got laughed at. Was told Trey would open up more of the offense.

Here's my issues with the, "start Trey now" idea.
1. You don't give up on a season after 5 games. We don't know what's going to happen the rest of the year. We saw AZ's TE tear an ACL yesterday, you never know what can happen.

2. It's 5 games. We've had 2 games where the D looked great, 2 games they looked great for stretches and 1 game they looked bad.

3. Even if Trey develops, we still have other issues. It's not like he was our biggest problem yesterday and playing behind this shaky OL isn't helping his development much as a pocket passer.

Originally posted by genus49:
49er fans are so friggin toxic these days. This whole "get behind MY QB" thing is so cringe worthy.

I don't get it. Why be a fan of a football team if your allegiance depends on the specific player playing for that team?

The people all about Trey out there trying to dig at Jimmy any chance they get...even when he doesn't play.

Now the Jimmy people are acting like Lance was out there s**tting himself and doing nothing good, which absurd.

I feel like I've been about as unbiased as you can get in the QB discussions but to me with where this team is right now I think this needs to be Trey's team moving forward. I love Jimmy, I wish him nothing but the best as long as he's not playing against us or a team we need to win against his team...but Trey gives the opposing defense more to worry about.

Honestly right now my bigger issue is with Shanahan. Now I'm not where some people are where they're pretty much calling for him to be replaced which is beyond stupid but I think Kyle needs to take the training wheels off Lance and let the chips fall where they lie. Yeah Trey needs to work on his accuracy, he needs to work on keeping his mechanics more in check (the pick was just a terrible throw) but there is a lot to work with there. Let the kid grow and the team grow with him (our receivers need to get used to his passes and his scrambling)

Now if Jimmy was out there playing like he did against New Orleans in 2019 then yeah...get him back out there if he's healthy after the bye and hope the defense continues to play well. Jimmy hasn't been that guy though. He hasn't played poorly but opposing defenses know him by now. They know what they have to defend to take him out of his game. IMO right now the only thing making Lance predictable is Kyle. I trust Kyle and his play design but he needs to trust his players more than he has been based on his playcalling lately.

The biggest thing I wish we could have back from Trey's game yesterday is the 4th down run at the goal line. I know he was trying to be safe but IMO he needs to get that into the endzone. Had he put the ball out in front of him I think he gets it in there and the defenders wouldn't get there quick enough to punch the ball out. When he hit the corner I thought it was a sure TD. But good thing about that is...big lesson learned for Trey. You get to understand the speed of the NFL and what you need to do to get that ball over the line. Not to mention it's 4th down...even if it is a fumble not like you're missing a chance to kick the ball.

Either way I'm excited for Trey's future. He definitely needs to work on things but IMO this isn't too big for him. I hope Kyle makes the right call here moving forward.

Shut up you wishy-washy lukewarm enlightened centrist and pick a side already! (Sarcasm, obviously)

I agree with you 100%. It was the same garbage with Alex Smith and Kaepernick. My mother literally stopped rooting for the 49ers because we benched Smith. Like… wtf? I like Smith too but I don't give a damn who our starter is as long as the NINERS are winning. Our record in 2012 was virtually the same with both QB's so I didn't care. I'm a 49ers fan first and foremost.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
Jimmy cold have a long career as a back-up. I know teams are desperate for starters but he can't make it through a game let alone a season. He would be an a-line backup in the league.

He'll be a Patriot once again Imo. The pats will probably sign him to be a back-up for Jones after the Niners release him at the end of the year. Good for the Pats and JG. Everyone's happy.

Seems unlikely. They don't want Mac looking back over his shoulder.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Yep. I predicted before the season that I didn't expect him to start more than four or five games before injury or performance or Trey's progress benched him, and argued $25m was Way too much for four games. But i also acknowledged that giving Trey even that space to learn, and then having JG as a backup was worth something too, just not that much.

And to get rid of him, I agree we're going to have to kick in part of his salary for this year. That's negotiated in the trades all the time. Still, what we save and a draft pick is of value.

Kyle has always said the problem with "athletic" quarterbacks is that you can't keep them in the pocket until they've exhausted their reads. Well, he better, or he's going to be the first to not like it, because he's going to have used multiple plays to set up guys wide open that are left hanging.

Who's gonna trade for a banged up Jimmy? Who has even a little bit of cap space to take on whatever is negotiated? I mean what's a realistic trade for one yr of avg Joe half way through a season? A 5th? Talk about a dumpster fire move IMO...could have flat out cut him and saved $25M or traded him before the season for something and saved money.

I don't see that happening...he will be here and either start or be a stupid highly paid backup.

Kyle needs to adapt just like everyone else. Let his QB extend plays instead of "exhausting their reads in the pocket" everyone else in the league is doing it. I agree he doesn't need to call double digit designed runs for him every week, he won't IMO. What we saw isn't gonna be Kyle's playbook for Lance in the future...we should know that as fans. It was his first real start since 2019.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Yep. I predicted before the season that I didn't expect him to start more than four or five games before injury or performance or Trey's progress benched him, and argued $25m was Way too much for four games. But i also acknowledged that giving Trey even that space to learn, and then having JG as a backup was worth something too, just not that much.

And to get rid of him, I agree we're going to have to kick in part of his salary for this year. That's negotiated in the trades all the time. Still, what we save and a draft pick is of value.

Kyle has always said the problem with "athletic" quarterbacks is that you can't keep them in the pocket until they've exhausted their reads. Well, he better, or he's going to be the first to not like it, because he's going to have used multiple plays to set up guys wide open that are left hanging.

And once again I find myself having to ask, what is it about the phrase, 'Jimmy has a no trade clause in his contract for this year", that people don't understand? It really is absolutely bewildering.

I can't see how going back to Jimmy makes this team any more likely to make the playoffs. I like Jimmy, but Trey can be just as productive, if not more so.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who's gonna trade for a banged up Jimmy? Who has even a little bit of cap space to take on whatever is negotiated? I mean what's a realistic trade for one yr of avg Joe half way through a season? A 5th? Talk about a dumpster fire move IMO...could have flat out cut him and saved $25M or traded him before the season for something and saved money.

I don't see that happening...he will be here and either start or be a stupid highly paid backup.

Kyle needs to adapt just like everyone else. Let his QB extend plays instead of "exhausting their reads in the pocket" everyone else in the league is doing it. I agree he doesn't need to call double digit designed runs for him every week, he won't IMO. What we saw isn't gonna be Kyle's playbook for Lance in the future...we should know that as fans. It was his first real start since 2019.

Ok....c'mon dude. Bill Walsh, Mike Holmgren and Mike Shanahan believed in this absolutely. If that's how you really believe, we will NEVER agree on how the qb should play.

You can count on Jason Pierre-Pauls left hand the amount of qb's that have won a SB this way.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Trey was the fastest ball carrier in the game yesterday at 19.51 mph.

Interesting since many are saying he was slow.

So many have a hard time being objective and saying good and bad things about a performance. Seems like it's one extreme to the other

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Yep. I predicted before the season that I didn't expect him to start more than four or five games before injury or performance or Trey's progress benched him, and argued $25m was Way too much for four games. But i also acknowledged that giving Trey even that space to learn, and then having JG as a backup was worth something too, just not that much.

And to get rid of him, I agree we're going to have to kick in part of his salary for this year. That's negotiated in the trades all the time. Still, what we save and a draft pick is of value.

Kyle has always said the problem with "athletic" quarterbacks is that you can't keep them in the pocket until they've exhausted their reads. Well, he better, or he's going to be the first to not like it, because he's going to have used multiple plays to set up guys wide open that are left hanging.

And once again I find myself having to ask, what is it about the phrase, 'Jimmy has a no trade clause in his contract for this year", that people don't understand? It really is absolutely bewildering.

That doesn't mean he can't be traded. It just means he would need to approve it. If he thought it was a place where he could be the starter instead of the backup I think he would approve it. I just don't know how many teams are ready to commit to him as a starter with his injury history.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And not every call was a legit hold, a lot of "flopping" by AZ. Refs could call holding damn near every play, one team goes full LBJ flopping mode and the refs see it and will always call it. SF tries to play through the holds and doesn't get the call.

Now that it's a qb you fully support you're seeing the things I've been pointing out all year.

Lack of OL pass pro, lack of WR separation, lack of run game.

I've been saying, Jimmy has actually been masking some of these issues with quick processing and quick release - got laughed at. Was told Trey would open up more of the offense.

Here's my issues with the, "start Trey now" idea.
1. You don't give up on a season after 5 games. We don't know what's going to happen the rest of the year. We saw AZ's TE tear an ACL yesterday, you never know what can happen.

2. It's 5 games. We've had 2 games where the D looked great, 2 games they looked great for stretches and 1 game they looked bad.

3. Even if Trey develops, we still have other issues. It's not like he was our biggest problem yesterday and playing behind this shaky OL isn't helping his development much as a pocket passer.

Kyle will most likely agree with this too.

And no deep shots? No big air yards?

We tried to tell 'em (85%). Kyle even brought up the speedster in Travis Benjamin who played a lot but like Eric Davis said, the mass majority of deeper routes are just "ghost routes" designed to pull defenders for underneath routes.