Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:
I already acknowledged that. I was confused because he quoted my tweet which didn't have anything to do with what I was saying. All good.

Yeah saw that after, sorry.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I've seen enough, IMO the only people who should want to see Jimmy at QB for is again are Deebo fantasy managers!

Trey gives us at least an equal chance of winning a game as Jimmy does right now, and anyone who doesn't think that he has room to grow just doesn't know football.

Trey will develop, the offense will improve with him as he does, and we'll get to where we want to go.

The Trey era has arrived

agreed

And I'm all for it!

All Hail the Trey Era in the Trey Area!

Originally posted by ramonalejandro:
All Hail the Trey Era in the Trey Area!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I already acknowledged that. I was confused because he quoted my tweet which didn't have anything to do with what I was saying. All good.

Yeah saw that after, sorry.

No worries.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I sincerely hope Kyle gets rid of this stupid Cam Newton style offense with Trey. Also, I'm concerned about the wind up.. I don't know if there's any way to fix that release speed, because it's a problem right now.

I have no idea why people are so over the top with his throwing motion. There are plenty of very good QBs that don't have short compact releases. Wilson/Mahomes are two right now.

Simply because it's costing us on 3rd and 4th downs right now. It's salient.

It also allows LB's and DB's extra time to read him and get in position for sticky coverage and make plays on balls.

But some of that is also on the OL too. I saw a perfect example with Tomlinson. He's pass protecting, stops, the DL jumps up and knocks it down, then Tomlinson resumes pushing him. Had he stayed pass protecting and physically engaged the DL doesn't get up in that lane.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by bmvanthiel:
The whole Josh Allen comparison with Trey Lance I really do not see at all. They are quite a bit different in my opinion. Josh's arm is much stronger and his release is much quicker. For running styles, Josh is much more physical and bigger where Lance is more agile and quick. Both have/had accuracy issues coming out of college but that's about all I see for similarities.

I think a QB Lance reminds me of is Jalen Hurts.

Lance isn't quick at all. Seems to me he's running in slow motion.

You're trippin

Originally posted by NYniner85:

PFF has a metric called "Big-Time Throws" which essentially are passes that are graded +1 or higher in our grading system. Lance had two yesterday, which is two more than Garoppolo has had so far this season. #49ers

— Jeff Deeney (@PFF_Jeff) October 11, 2021

Lol. I'm not going to use this to sway my opinion one way or another because PFF can be b******t but this is actually pretty funny.

That's my Quarterback.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I have no idea why people are so over the top with his throwing motion. There are plenty of very good QBs that don't have short compact releases. Wilson/Mahomes are two right now.

It makes it easier for the D line to knock down passes and to knock the ball out from behind. He doesn't need a super quick release but he brings th ball all the way down to his hip as he does his wind up. Just shorten it up a little and try and get a better spin on the ball. Lot's of wobbly passes that tended to sail a little high. Both of these are correctable.

On the good side we saw more passes beyond 20 yards and more runs from the QB that produced 1st downs. His first run of 14 yards was longer than any run JG has ever had (13). His total of 89 yards was higher than the best SEASON (62 total) that JG has had. We got a glimpse of what that running ability can do when it's needed. He turned possible sacks into 1st downs. Once he learns to spot the open receiver quicker he won't need to run as much but that threat will keep defenses honest.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I've seen enough, IMO the only people who should want to see Jimmy at QB for is again are Deebo fantasy managers!

Trey gives us at least an equal chance of winning a game as Jimmy does right now, and anyone who doesn't think that he has room to grow just doesn't know football.

Trey will develop, the offense will improve with him as he does, and we'll get to where we want to go.

The Trey era has arrived

agreed.

IMO if they didn't have a billion holding calls, this game and play-calling would have been vastly different. We would have had more running plays (from the RB) and a lot more PA from under center.

They were constantly behind the chains...look at these stats, the fact that they still moved the ball is kinda shocking.

4 times in this game the 49ers had a penalty on first down that put them at 1st & 15/20

They had a 2nd & 15 turn into a 2nd & 25 as well as a 3rd & 7 turn into a 3rd & 17

It's hard to have any kind of sustainable success when you're constantly putting yourself behind like that

— Jordan Elliott (@splash_cousin) October 11, 2021

The 49ers had a 10 play drive that took up 7 1/2 minutes of game time

That drive netted only 18 yards due to 3 separate holding penalties that pushed the offense back

That is absolutely backbreaking and arguably hurt them more than not converting the 4th & Goal in the 1st half

— Jordan Elliott (@splash_cousin) October 11, 2021

The 49ers offense took the ball into Arizona's territory on 8/9 of their drives today

They've taken the ball into their opponents territory on 10/15 drives that Trey Lance has been under center this season

The offense has clearly moved the ball better with #5 at QB

— Jordan Elliott (@splash_cousin) October 11, 2021

Still need to get more than yards, but If they cut down on the penalties they would have won IMO.

My God this has been a problem all year. Between Kyle's predictable runs on first downs to penalties on first downs, this offense has constantly been behind the 8-ball on 1st and longs and 2nd and 12+.

When I say this offense is all about first downs this is what I mean.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I've seen enough, IMO the only people who should want to see Jimmy at QB for is again are Deebo fantasy managers!

Trey gives us at least an equal chance of winning a game as Jimmy does right now, and anyone who doesn't think that he has room to grow just doesn't know football.

Trey will develop, the offense will improve with him as he does, and we'll get to where we want to go.

The Trey era has arrived

agreed.

IMO if they didn't have a billion holding calls, this game and play-calling would have been vastly different. We would have had more running plays (from the RB) and a lot more PA from under center.

They were constantly behind the chains...look at these stats, the fact that they still moved the ball is kinda shocking.

4 times in this game the 49ers had a penalty on first down that put them at 1st & 15/20

They had a 2nd & 15 turn into a 2nd & 25 as well as a 3rd & 7 turn into a 3rd & 17

It's hard to have any kind of sustainable success when you're constantly putting yourself behind like that

— Jordan Elliott (@splash_cousin) October 11, 2021

The 49ers had a 10 play drive that took up 7 1/2 minutes of game time

That drive netted only 18 yards due to 3 separate holding penalties that pushed the offense back

That is absolutely backbreaking and arguably hurt them more than not converting the 4th & Goal in the 1st half

— Jordan Elliott (@splash_cousin) October 11, 2021

The 49ers offense took the ball into Arizona's territory on 8/9 of their drives today

They've taken the ball into their opponents territory on 10/15 drives that Trey Lance has been under center this season

The offense has clearly moved the ball better with #5 at QB

— Jordan Elliott (@splash_cousin) October 11, 2021

Still need to get more than yards, but If they cut down on the penalties they would have won IMO.

My God this has been a problem all year. Between Kyle's predictable runs on first downs to penalties on first downs, this offense has constantly been behind the 8-ball on 1st and longs and 2nd and 12+.

When I say this offense is all about first downs this is what I mean.

Yup. Penalties are killing us right now. Yesterday's game was very painful and frustrating to watch with all the penalties being called on the O-Line.

Originally posted by KittleMeThis:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I've seen enough, IMO the only people who should want to see Jimmy at QB for is again are Deebo fantasy managers!

Trey gives us at least an equal chance of winning a game as Jimmy does right now, and anyone who doesn't think that he has room to grow just doesn't know football.

Trey will develop, the offense will improve with him as he does, and we'll get to where we want to go.

The Trey era has arrived

agreed

And I'm all for it!

Me too, but then trade Jimmy now and stop the cap hemorrhaging, get a draft pick, and with rare exceptions stop with the designed Trey runs. let the running backs do the running, and teach Trey to be a pocket passer that exhausts those options first.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by KittleMeThis:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I've seen enough, IMO the only people who should want to see Jimmy at QB for is again are Deebo fantasy managers!

Trey gives us at least an equal chance of winning a game as Jimmy does right now, and anyone who doesn't think that he has room to grow just doesn't know football.

Trey will develop, the offense will improve with him as he does, and we'll get to where we want to go.

The Trey era has arrived

agreed

And I'm all for it!

Me too, but then trade Jimmy now and stop the cap hemorrhaging, get a draft pick, and with rare exceptions stop with the designed Trey runs and teach him to be a pocket passer.

Unless Jimmy agrees to, they can't trade him until the 2022 offseason.