Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by cali2COniner:
I just realized Trey Lance got that Trey Young hair 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 going bold before 22

You call it Trey Young hair. I call it Michael Jordan hair. He's shaving it bald and going to be a baller.

Originally posted by mattster03:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by mattster03:
I would say 1/3 were designed runs, 1/3 were options that Lance decided to keep an 1/3 were broken down plays that he tried to extend. Just shooting from the hip, will have to rewatch to count for sure. He tried to take too much into his own hands IMO

I rewatched the game. Trey had 9 designed runs(ie not option plays or scrambles).

That's a f**king ton for a QB regardless of rookie or not. I was very surprised by this. I thought Kyle would dial up maybe 1, 2 or even 3, but 9?!!

Wow... was it that many? How did you count the goal line stand play where he got stuffed at the 1ft line? I consider this to be an option because there was clearly a pass option to the RB but he decided to try and run it in.

Yeah at the half, Jimmy Johnson said he already had 9 QB runs to 11 passes. That's just not sustainable.

Aside from the long windup that gives a tell to DL (knock downs at the LOS) and DB's (passes defensed), wobbly balls, high balls, clock management, diving on the heels of OL, poor short touch and ball location, etc. my biggest concern is the offense itself.

This is a straight up college offense right now and after one week of film, NFL defenses will crush it going forward. 10 points will become harder to come by. Like Kyle's 85%, it held true. 0 deep passing attempts. Low air yards. Defenders will load the A gaps and force him into 2nd and 13 (like Jimmy).

As to Trey himself, you can see the arm talent and the ability when his mechanics are on. He moved to some second reads, he audibled, he ran hard and tough, he's coachable, smart, made many great reads, moment not too big for him, etc.

I feel 100% comfortable starting him again but this offense has to change going forward. For his own health AND growth.

49er fans are so friggin toxic these days. This whole "get behind MY QB" thing is so cringe worthy.

I don't get it. Why be a fan of a football team if your allegiance depends on the specific player playing for that team?

The people all about Trey out there trying to dig at Jimmy any chance they get...even when he doesn't play.

Now the Jimmy people are acting like Lance was out there s**tting himself and doing nothing good, which absurd.

I feel like I've been about as unbiased as you can get in the QB discussions but to me with where this team is right now I think this needs to be Trey's team moving forward. I love Jimmy, I wish him nothing but the best as long as he's not playing against us or a team we need to win against his team...but Trey gives the opposing defense more to worry about.

Honestly right now my bigger issue is with Shanahan. Now I'm not where some people are where they're pretty much calling for him to be replaced which is beyond stupid but I think Kyle needs to take the training wheels off Lance and let the chips fall where they lie. Yeah Trey needs to work on his accuracy, he needs to work on keeping his mechanics more in check (the pick was just a terrible throw) but there is a lot to work with there. Let the kid grow and the team grow with him (our receivers need to get used to his passes and his scrambling)

Now if Jimmy was out there playing like he did against New Orleans in 2019 then yeah...get him back out there if he's healthy after the bye and hope the defense continues to play well. Jimmy hasn't been that guy though. He hasn't played poorly but opposing defenses know him by now. They know what they have to defend to take him out of his game. IMO right now the only thing making Lance predictable is Kyle. I trust Kyle and his play design but he needs to trust his players more than he has been based on his playcalling lately.

The biggest thing I wish we could have back from Trey's game yesterday is the 4th down run at the goal line. I know he was trying to be safe but IMO he needs to get that into the endzone. Had he put the ball out in front of him I think he gets it in there and the defenders wouldn't get there quick enough to punch the ball out. When he hit the corner I thought it was a sure TD. But good thing about that is...big lesson learned for Trey. You get to understand the speed of the NFL and what you need to do to get that ball over the line. Not to mention it's 4th down...even if it is a fumble not like you're missing a chance to kick the ball.

Either way I'm excited for Trey's future. He definitely needs to work on things but IMO this isn't too big for him. I hope Kyle makes the right call here moving forward.

Originally posted by genus49:
49er fans are so friggin toxic these days. This whole "get behind MY QB" thing is so cringe worthy.

I don't get it. Why be a fan of a football team if your allegiance depends on the specific player playing for that team?

The people all about Trey out there trying to dig at Jimmy any chance they get...even when he doesn't play.

Now the Jimmy people are acting like Lance was out there s**tting himself and doing nothing good, which absurd.

I feel like I've been about as unbiased as you can get in the QB discussions but to me with where this team is right now I think this needs to be Trey's team moving forward. I love Jimmy, I wish him nothing but the best as long as he's not playing against us or a team we need to win against his team...but Trey gives the opposing defense more to worry about.

Honestly right now my bigger issue is with Shanahan. Now I'm not where some people are where they're pretty much calling for him to be replaced which is beyond stupid but I think Kyle needs to take the training wheels off Lance and let the chips fall where they lie. Yeah Trey needs to work on his accuracy, he needs to work on keeping his mechanics more in check (the pick was just a terrible throw) but there is a lot to work with there. Let the kid grow and the team grow with him (our receivers need to get used to his passes and his scrambling)

Now if Jimmy was out there playing like he did against New Orleans in 2019 then yeah...get him back out there if he's healthy after the bye and hope the defense continues to play well. Jimmy hasn't been that guy though. He hasn't played poorly but opposing defenses know him by now. They know what they have to defend to take him out of his game. IMO right now the only thing making Lance predictable is Kyle. I trust Kyle and his play design but he needs to trust his players more than he has been based on his playcalling lately.

The biggest thing I wish we could have back from Trey's game yesterday is the 4th down run at the goal line. I know he was trying to be safe but IMO he needs to get that into the endzone. Had he put the ball out in front of him I think he gets it in there and the defenders wouldn't get there quick enough to punch the ball out. When he hit the corner I thought it was a sure TD. But good thing about that is...big lesson learned for Trey. You get to understand the speed of the NFL and what you need to do to get that ball over the line. Not to mention it's 4th down...even if it is a fumble not like you're missing a chance to kick the ball.

Either way I'm excited for Trey's future. He definitely needs to work on things but IMO this isn't too big for him. I hope Kyle makes the right call here moving forward.

This is perfectly put IMO.

Sudfield could've put up 10 points. Embarrassing.

I've no idea how you watch that game and think "Gimme some more Jimmy"

And I don't mind Jimmy btw!

I've said it all season, the biggest thing we need is for Aiyuk to step the crap up. 3 times in that game, pressure situation, needing a play and seeing single-man coverage Murray went to Hopkins who beat his man. We did that once with Aiyuk and it was as tight of coverage as you can get.

We saw Russ go to D.K. in these situations, Rodgers go to Adams, Mahomes goes to Kelce or Hill, whoever isn't doubled, Dak goes to Cooper, Stafford goes to Kupp, Brady goes to a trio of guys. We need a true X receiver. Aiyuk was a 1st round draft pick and hasn't looked anything like one this season.

No matter who our qb is, if teams can double the middle which is where Deebo and Kittle are best, we need someone to win on the outside. We've all seen Deebo gets zero separation on outside. Aiyuk HAS to be this.

In 2019, our offense transformed into something much more once we got Emannuel Sanders. Remember how any times Jimmy would go to Emann vs man-cov? Neither qb has that and the offense just looks......bleh....

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I've said it all season, the biggest thing we need is for Aiyuk to step the crap up. 3 times in that game, pressure situation, needing a play and seeing single-man coverage Murray went to Hopkins who beat his man. We did that once with Aiyuk and it was as tight of coverage as you can get.

We saw Russ go to D.K. in these situations, Rodgers go to Adams, Mahomes goes to Kelce or Hill, whoever isn't doubled, Dak goes to Cooper, Stafford goes to Kupp, Brady goes to a trio of guys. We need a true X receiver. Aiyuk was a 1st round draft pick and hasn't looked anything like one this season.

No matter who our qb is, if teams can double the middle which is where Deebo and Kittle are best, we need someone to win on the outside. We've all seen Deebo gets zero separation on outside. Aiyuk HAS to be this.

In 2019, our offense transformed into something much more once we got Emannuel Sanders. Remember how any times Jimmy would go to Emann vs man-cov? Neither qb has that and the offense just looks......bleh....

Yeah, it's seems to be more of an issue that originally thought. During the draft process (people can go look) that was one of my main issues with BA, the lack of playing against man in college and getting separation.

Last yr during that NE game, he was playing vs Gilmore and looked like he was getting off the LOS real well and getting separation (same with the Bills game I believe). I was like oh okay, maybe I was wrong he just never had to do it in college.

Well we're 5 weeks into it and yeah he's not getting space on the outside. I'm still holding out hope, he's got to put the work in to get there... I thought he would have this off season

no Bueno

From PFF:

Looking at the box score, Lance's first start was one to forget. He completed 51.7% of his passes for 192 yards and an interception, but there was more to Lance's debut. He completed three big-time throws for a big-time throw rate of 10.3% and had just one turnover-worthy play (the interception). The former NDSU Bison showed off his dual-threat ability as well, leading the Niners in rushing. Lance tallied 89 yards on the ground on 17 carries, including five scrambles and 60 yards after contact.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Trey lance kept us in this game, and he's the reason we lost the game.

Bad goal line execution, the pic, and generally his improv style took the edge off our rhythm and confused offensive personnel as much as defensive personnel.

Nothing new here. It's been stated for a while. Jimmy gives us a better chance of winning.

I also agree with everyone that Trey gave us a lot to like from a 21 year old with 300 snaps to his credit in 1-aa ball.

I just think the original trajectory for him is about right, and this will turn into an oooh aah woulda coulda shoulda season if he's our starter this year.

My main fear if he starts this season is kyle's homocidal game plan which turned trey into our #1 back.

I was frankly shocked.

Rhythm? LOL what? there was no rhythm...how many penalties did they get yesterday? Rhythm goes out the window when it's 1 & 15/20 or 2nd in long and damn day.

The "advantage" of Jimmy giving them the best chance to win, doesn't outweigh the development needed for this kid to be good in the long-term...this is NOT a SB roster, hate to break it to everyone...Jimmy is NOT a pro-bowl caliber QB that makes everyone around him better. SF going on to win like 8 games because he's the starter doesn't do s**t for this team this yr or in 2022.

We all know Jimmy will start when he's healthy and it's gonna mean just about nothing...he's a lame duck QB that won't be on this team next yr. It's almost pointless to play him AND If he get's seriously injured they're on the hook for an extra $7.5M in 2022.

NYNiner85 I couldn't agree more! Preach brother Preach!

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
From PFF:

Looking at the box score, Lance's first start was one to forget. He completed 51.7% of his passes for 192 yards and an interception, but there was more to Lance's debut. He completed three big-time throws for a big-time throw rate of 10.3% and had just one turnover-worthy play (the interception). The former NDSU Bison showed off his dual-threat ability as well, leading the Niners in rushing. Lance tallied 89 yards on the ground on 17 carries, including five scrambles and 60 yards after contact.

This is not a positive IMHO esp. for a pro-style offense QB.

Kyle has got to cool it with all the QB runs - he's going to get someone killed out there.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Kyle has got to cool it with all the QB runs - he's going to get someone killed out there.

Like Eric Davis also said, that's fine but you need to have a similar backup with the same kind of skill set.

I can't believe he didn't end up with a big concussion on that 4th and goal. IF he had gotten a concussion then you're right back to where you were last week...bringing in a QB with a different skill set, trying to run a game plan NOT designed for him.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Kyle has got to cool it with all the QB runs - he's going to get someone killed out there.

Like Eric Davis also said, that's fine but you need to have a similar backup with the same kind of skill set.

I can't believe he didn't end up with a big concussion on that 4th and goal. IF he had gotten a concussion then you're right back to where you were last week...bringing in a QB with a different skill set, trying to run a game plan NOT designed for him.

He was supposed to throw on that play. Easy TD to Mitchell there.

Originally posted by genus49:
49er fans are so friggin toxic these days. This whole "get behind MY QB" thing is so cringe worthy.

I don't get it. Why be a fan of a football team if your allegiance depends on the specific player playing for that team?

The people all about Trey out there trying to dig at Jimmy any chance they get...even when he doesn't play.

Now the Jimmy people are acting like Lance was out there s**tting himself and doing nothing good, which absurd.

I feel like I've been about as unbiased as you can get in the QB discussions but to me with where this team is right now I think this needs to be Trey's team moving forward. I love Jimmy, I wish him nothing but the best as long as he's not playing against us or a team we need to win against his team...but Trey gives the opposing defense more to worry about.

Honestly right now my bigger issue is with Shanahan. Now I'm not where some people are where they're pretty much calling for him to be replaced which is beyond stupid but I think Kyle needs to take the training wheels off Lance and let the chips fall where they lie. Yeah Trey needs to work on his accuracy, he needs to work on keeping his mechanics more in check (the pick was just a terrible throw) but there is a lot to work with there. Let the kid grow and the team grow with him (our receivers need to get used to his passes and his scrambling)

Now if Jimmy was out there playing like he did against New Orleans in 2019 then yeah...get him back out there if he's healthy after the bye and hope the defense continues to play well. Jimmy hasn't been that guy though. He hasn't played poorly but opposing defenses know him by now. They know what they have to defend to take him out of his game. IMO right now the only thing making Lance predictable is Kyle. I trust Kyle and his play design but he needs to trust his players more than he has been based on his playcalling lately.

The biggest thing I wish we could have back from Trey's game yesterday is the 4th down run at the goal line. I know he was trying to be safe but IMO he needs to get that into the endzone. Had he put the ball out in front of him I think he gets it in there and the defenders wouldn't get there quick enough to punch the ball out. When he hit the corner I thought it was a sure TD. But good thing about that is...big lesson learned for Trey. You get to understand the speed of the NFL and what you need to do to get that ball over the line. Not to mention it's 4th down...even if it is a fumble not like you're missing a chance to kick the ball.

Either way I'm excited for Trey's future. He definitely needs to work on things but IMO this isn't too big for him. I hope Kyle makes the right call here moving forward.

agreed.

Everyone knows my feelings towards Jimmy (some people make up stuff to be dramatic about it). He's a serviceable QB who makes WAY too much cash, that alone hurts this team overall, not to mentation play/availability. I also didn't think this team was a SB roster heading into the season, playoff/wild card, sure if everything went right.

At this point this team needs to get behind the rookie and guys that are gonna be here past this yr need reps with him. I remember watching Allen vs the Chargers in his first start 3 yrs ago and it wasn't pretty. There was a couple wow throws that gave you hope, but overall vs similar to Lance. His footwork was pretty bad and he would hold onto the ball way too long. He didn't see the field well and like most rookies with strong arms, thought he could make every throw when there's a check down right there for him.

NOW go watch that game last night, kid is a super star. I'm not saying Lance will be Allen 2.0 BUT if Kyle can get the stick out of his ass and be okay with his scheme not being the only reason they win every game, we might have something. In no way should they run Lance 9/10x a game like that...I'm talking straight up run play calls and power up the middle. He's gonna get killed...you see his mom in the stands poor women having to watch her son get rocked in the head like that over and over.

Holding calls killed everything IMO, they were running the ball well with Mitchell. I think I saw like 1 or 2 PA behind center? I think he threw the ball downfield once and it was at the end of the game? s**t I get that we don't have elite separators but man take a couple shots, I'll take my chances on a catch or PI the way the league is right now.

End of day, I'm guessing they're gonna be stubborn and throw out Jimmy whether it's really that much of an upgrade or not. I would rather develop Lance, build up the squad with all that freed up cash next yr and make some noise in 2022. Regardless of what a couple silly posters think Kyle isn't going anywhere. Jed committed to him with a big fat extension and letting him burn picks to develop Lance.