Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
So now you want to take away what was a blown coverage but you don't take away all the 5 yard passes that Jimmy throws that end up as 20 yard gains because of YAC. You also ignore the fact that the defender was forced to hesitate and froze because he thought Trey might run. That allowed Deebo to get wide open because nobody picked him up.

Trey was far from perfect but he had no game prep. He got better as the game progressed. He showed some escapability on a couple of occasions. He did about as well as could be expected under the circumstances. If he plays this week and has a good game I'm not going to start swooning all over and say he's ready. One good game means no more than one poor game.

That blown coverage was not because of Trey Lance. If anything, it's because they were so unafraid of the pass that it wasn't their priority. Trey had completed, what, 1 pass at that point? I think he was at something like 20% completions at that point.

Trey didn't start connecting on passes until later in the 4th quarter when Seattle went prevent. He was not more efficient, at all.

Y'all wanna hold Jimmy's YAC against him, but fail to take into consideration that that's how our team is built. Deebo and Aiyuk are underneath YAC guys. Kittle is a YAC TE. The 49ers don't have an explosive deep threat in the receiver group, but everyone wasn't to get mad that we aren't tossing hail mary's every which way?

Jimmy was #1 in the league on the deep ball in 2019 when we had a semblance of a deep threat in Sanders. But since then, it's been all underneath guys in the receiver room who are great with the ball in their hands. And people wanna hold that against Jimmy?

Isn't this the same franchise that perfected the West Coast Offense? But now that we are utilizing it's staple elements... it's a bad thing?

Did we learn NOTHING from the Alex Smith / Colin Kaepernick debacle? When everyone complained that Alex could only throw 5 yard check downs, and then we lost the Super Bowl because Colin Kaepernick... couldn't throw a 5 yard check down?

Make it make sense.

This fanbase has fallen off their collective rocker. Y'all have been played soooooo hard by media spin from hacks like Shasky that you actually believe this crap.

GOOD BYE JIMMY
YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND
FOLLOW HIM TO HIS NEXT TEAM!

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Franchise408:
He did not outperform the starter. Knock it off.

Take out the blown coverage by Seattle, and he was 47% completions for 80 yards.
WITH the blown coverage, he was 50% completions for 150 yards.

The veteran starter was 61% completions for 165 yards. Jimmy was much more effective and much more efficient. And he wasn't playing against a garbage time defense either.

Neither was Trey. I painstakingly went through every snap in the second half of the 4th earlier in one of these two threads. Not one single time did Seattle play a prevent defense, and most of the time 10-11 guys were within 10-12 yards of the line of scrimmage before and immediately after the snap.

I thought playing Trey was supposed to make that stop?

Also, Jimmy's IAY for this season is 6.5, Trey on Sunday was IAY 5.05

We still gonna argue over air yards?

Trey is a rookie who has under 700 pass attempts in his life, and this is one game. I mean, you can't be serious. Yeah, IN A YEAR OR TWO when Trey has learned how to play the pro-game, defenses will be killed playing like that. But do you seriously believe it's reasonable for ANYONE to assume that Trey would instantly put the fear of the deep ball in a defense as a raw rookie? I mean, if you want argue you're not biased, this is not how to do it.

But yeah, for JImmy the long term trend is clear, and yes, IAY matters. But the difference here between the two right now isn't the one yard difference in distance the ball flew; it's Trey's legs.

Nevertheless, this was a useless tangent. The reason I brought up how they were covering them is because Franchise408 made the clearly false insinuation that Seattle was playing prevent defense against him. They were still defending the short and intermediate routes, running lots of cover 2 and cover 3. They even pulled a robber coverage on Trey, and the difference is he didn't stick with the throw, but instead threw it away, airmailing it at the last second on what would have been a sure interception (on a third down late in the game; he then ran for the first down the next play).

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
It's becoming increasingly unclear to me what exactly Trey can learn from Jimmy, that he wouldn't learn by just playing.

I know he can learn by watching by film review and via coaching what to do and what not to do just by holding the clipboard as it pertains to what Jimmy is or is not doing

Now the thing is I'm not sure he can't learn that or more by playing but the fear is will his confidence be shot if he struggles early?

I truly believe that this is why we are rolling with Jimmy this season as Jimmy knows this offense and thus he allows Lance to
learn and redshirt

Makes sense as we look around the league, Trevor, Zack Wilson , Fields, are all eating dirt and getting ground to bits. Fields finally had a good game, but again, look at the competition. Overall, tho, a horrid yr….the team around him? Ugly. Having these young guys play to me, is just indescribably bad idea. In most cases they had to, but they all literally got thrown to the lions. There was a first a week or so ago, when Zack had 4 sacks and Trevor 5. Also i think they each had 4 INTs in a game…coulda been the same game or one before.

This has been my concern with our high value draft pick man, Lance. Protect him as much as we can and if JG can't play, ok, play Trey. but if JG can play and isn't injured ….keep Trey out of it. No one will convince me Fields, Trevor and Zack are learning anything from the bottom of a "man pile."
I didn't add Mack Jones in but he has gotten lumped up, altho he did have a helluva game in losing to Brady's Bucs. At one point in 2nd half he threw 20 straight completions (or was it 19?). …pick #13 just to rub it in. (I wasn't a fan, but would have backed him if we stayed put and took him at 13.)

As was thot earlier on, he was most ready for the pros. But even so he is taking his lumps too, and NE isn't setting the world on fire. When you get picked in the top 3, usually (not in Lance's case) ,it is to a really bad team…Jags, Jets,…we were a good team with bad injuries and damned if we aren't right back there again….LT,,,PK…RBs.(all of 'em),,,CBs(3), TE (George), WRs, Jimmy,….l finally give up. I thot the Indian burial ground routine was good for a laugh…but now? Maybe they are the answer.

Kyle and JL are screwed as long as the plague continues. Thank God we have Trey, but jeez, our team has transformed from great talent to mediocre to poor talent due to injury. Would someone please take this injury thing away?

Originally posted by danarez49:

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
So now you want to take away what was a blown coverage but you don't take away all the 5 yard passes that Jimmy throws that end up as 20 yard gains because of YAC. You also ignore the fact that the defender was forced to hesitate and froze because he thought Trey might run. That allowed Deebo to get wide open because nobody picked him up.

Trey was far from perfect but he had no game prep. He got better as the game progressed. He showed some escapability on a couple of occasions. He did about as well as could be expected under the circumstances. If he plays this week and has a good game I'm not going to start swooning all over and say he's ready. One good game means no more than one poor game.

That blown coverage was not because of Trey Lance. If anything, it's because they were so unafraid of the pass that it wasn't their priority. Trey had completed, what, 1 pass at that point? I think he was at something like 20% completions at that point.

Trey didn't start connecting on passes until later in the 4th quarter when Seattle went prevent. He was not more efficient, at all.

Y'all wanna hold Jimmy's YAC against him, but fail to take into consideration that that's how our team is built. Deebo and Aiyuk are underneath YAC guys. Kittle is a YAC TE. The 49ers don't have an explosive deep threat in the receiver group, but everyone wasn't to get mad that we aren't tossing hail mary's every which way?

Jimmy was #1 in the league on the deep ball in 2019 when we had a semblance of a deep threat in Sanders. But since then, it's been all underneath guys in the receiver room who are great with the ball in their hands. And people wanna hold that against Jimmy?

Isn't this the same franchise that perfected the West Coast Offense? But now that we are utilizing it's staple elements... it's a bad thing?

Did we learn NOTHING from the Alex Smith / Colin Kaepernick debacle? When everyone complained that Alex could only throw 5 yard check downs, and then we lost the Super Bowl because Colin Kaepernick... couldn't throw a 5 yard check down?

Make it make sense.

This fanbase has fallen off their collective rocker. Y'all have been played soooooo hard by media spin from hacks like Shasky that you actually believe this crap.

GOOD BYE JIMMY
YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND
FOLLOW HIM TO HIS NEXT TEAM!

Uh, buddy, Jimmy is still the starter. It won't be good bye Jimmy until the end of the year at the earliest. And even if he loses the starting job later in the year, he will still be here.

I don't understand these fans saying that the blown coverage stats don't count lmao… I guess russel had less than 100 yards from a blown coverage from metcalf! Or that TD because someone missed the assignment lmao…. Lolololol

i guess these Jimmy fans are use to Jimmy no seeing a wide open wr. Plus they absolutely love jimmy's high throws for no reason with no pressure…almost getting kittle hurt again.

Originally posted by danarez49:
I don't understand these fans saying that the blown coverage stats don't count lmao… I guess russel had less than 100 yards from a blown coverage from metcalf! Or that TD because someone missed the assignment lmao…. Lolololol

The reasoning is that tearing down Lance makes Jimmy look better.

Originally posted by Franchise408:
That blown coverage was not because of Trey Lance. If anything, it's because they were so unafraid of the pass that it wasn't their priority. Trey had completed, what, 1 pass at that point? I think he was at something like 20% completions at that point.

Trey didn't start connecting on passes until later in the 4th quarter when Seattle went prevent. He was not more efficient, at all.

Y'all wanna hold Jimmy's YAC against him, but fail to take into consideration that that's how our team is built. Deebo and Aiyuk are underneath YAC guys. Kittle is a YAC TE. The 49ers don't have an explosive deep threat in the receiver group, but everyone wasn't to get mad that we aren't tossing hail mary's every which way?

Jimmy was #1 in the league on the deep ball in 2019 when we had a semblance of a deep threat in Sanders. But since then, it's been all underneath guys in the receiver room who are great with the ball in their hands. And people wanna hold that against Jimmy?

Isn't this the same franchise that perfected the West Coast Offense? But now that we are utilizing it's staple elements... it's a bad thing?

Did we learn NOTHING from the Alex Smith / Colin Kaepernick debacle? When everyone complained that Alex could only throw 5 yard check downs, and then we lost the Super Bowl because Colin Kaepernick... couldn't throw a 5 yard check down?

Make it make sense.

This fanbase has fallen off their collective rocker. Y'all have been played soooooo hard by media spin from hacks like Shasky that you actually believe this crap.

The Alex Smith Colin Kaepernick situation became a debacle because the OC and HC aren't able to actually develop NFL QB's and have to rely on their legs to make everything happen. Add in Colin never developing the ability to go through progressions and you get what you get. But if you think we come close to the SB in 2012 with Alex Smith at the helm you are out your mind. It was the right move.

We lost the SB because the team was completely unprepared to play a football game and we didn't use our best player when we were on the cusp of scoring the winning TD. That loss was never on Kap.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Trey is a rookie who has under 700 pass attempts in his life, and this is one game. I mean, you can't be serious. Yeah, IN A YEAR OR TWO when Trey has learned how to play the pro-game, defenses will be killed playing like that. But do you seriously believe it's reasonable for ANYONE to assume that Trey would instantly put the fear of the deep ball in a defense as a raw rookie? I mean, if you want argue you're not biased, this is not how to do it.

But yeah, for JImmy the long term trend is clear, and yes, IAY matters. But the difference here between the two right now isn't the one yard difference in distance the ball flew; it's Trey's legs.

Nevertheless, this was a useless tangent. The reason I brought up how they were covering them is because Franchise408 made the clearly false insinuation that Seattle was playing prevent defense against him. They were still defending the short and intermediate routes, running lots of cover 2 and cover 3. They even pulled a robber coverage on Trey, and the difference is he didn't stick with the throw, but instead threw it away, airmailing it at the last second on what would have been a sure interception (on a third down late in the game; he then ran for the first down the next play).

I don't know if the defense was playing as hard as they were earlier in the game, but they were not playing prevent. Trey will be fine.

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
So now you want to take away what was a blown coverage but you don't take away all the 5 yard passes that Jimmy throws that end up as 20 yard gains because of YAC. You also ignore the fact that the defender was forced to hesitate and froze because he thought Trey might run. That allowed Deebo to get wide open because nobody picked him up.

Trey was far from perfect but he had no game prep. He got better as the game progressed. He showed some escapability on a couple of occasions. He did about as well as could be expected under the circumstances. If he plays this week and has a good game I'm not going to start swooning all over and say he's ready. One good game means no more than one poor game.

That blown coverage was not because of Trey Lance. If anything, it's because they were so unafraid of the pass that it wasn't their priority. Trey had completed, what, 1 pass at that point? I think he was at something like 20% completions at that point.

Trey didn't start connecting on passes until later in the 4th quarter when Seattle went prevent. He was not more efficient, at all.

Y'all wanna hold Jimmy's YAC against him, but fail to take into consideration that that's how our team is built. Deebo and Aiyuk are underneath YAC guys. Kittle is a YAC TE. The 49ers don't have an explosive deep threat in the receiver group, but everyone wasn't to get mad that we aren't tossing hail mary's every which way?

Jimmy was #1 in the league on the deep ball in 2019 when we had a semblance of a deep threat in Sanders. But since then, it's been all underneath guys in the receiver room who are great with the ball in their hands. And people wanna hold that against Jimmy?

Isn't this the same franchise that perfected the West Coast Offense? But now that we are utilizing it's staple elements... it's a bad thing?

Did we learn NOTHING from the Alex Smith / Colin Kaepernick debacle? When everyone complained that Alex could only throw 5 yard check downs, and then we lost the Super Bowl because Colin Kaepernick... couldn't throw a 5 yard check down?

Make it make sense.

This fanbase has fallen off their collective rocker. Y'all have been played soooooo hard by media spin from hacks like Shasky that you actually believe this crap.

The announcer commented at the time that Trey caused that blown coverage. That's why his defender initially left him and started toward to line. It was also because Seattle didn't pick him up when he pulled away from the defender.

I'm not saying that Jimmy's YAC yardage shouldn't be counted but it's a fact that he has a higher percentage of his yards from YAC than other starters. I just said that because you wanted to throw out that one long play. Even if it was just because of a blown coverage, the fact is Trey completed it without hanging the ball in the air so the other defender could come over and make the tackle. Jimmy always seems to hang the ball when he throws really deep which is probably why Kyle doesn't call those plays much.

The short passing game that Jimmy runs well can work fine but it also requires longer drives with no 15 yard penalties that set them back. Deep throws are lower percentage but they also bring PI flags when the defender runs into the receiver while looking for the ball. We saw one last night for the Raiders that was about 45 yards.

Originally posted by danarez49:
I don't understand these fans saying that the blown coverage stats don't count lmao… I guess russel had less than 100 yards from a blown coverage from metcalf! Or that TD because someone missed the assignment lmao…. Lolololol

i guess these Jimmy fans are use to Jimmy no seeing a wide open wr. Plus the absolutely love jimmy's high throws for no reason with no pressure…almost getting kittle hurt again.

Russell Wilson has made a career on blown coverages.

Originally posted by TownNiner:
Why do some people genuinely seem to want to talk down about Trey so much and put him down so much? It's crazy.

Legit don't get it.

Same goes for the Jimmy slander tbf, yeah he's average and relatively limited but he is no way as bad as made out to be.

This…I've never hated Jimmy and have made that clear for a very long time. I do think he's an avg starting QB and is limited. They could do much worse then him BUT overall fans should want and expect more.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I was meaning this season, no reason to be a douche about since I figured we were comparing apples to apples.

I'm not being a douche about it…Jonny not every comment is meant to be mean or snarky.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by danarez49:
I don't understand these fans saying that the blown coverage stats don't count lmao… I guess russel had less than 100 yards from a blown coverage from metcalf! Or that TD because someone missed the assignment lmao…. Lolololol

i guess these Jimmy fans are use to Jimmy no seeing a wide open wr. Plus the absolutely love jimmy's high throws for no reason with no pressure…almost getting kittle hurt again.

Russell Wilson has made a career on blown coverages.

Exactly! But all of a sudden it's garbage stats!

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Youre kidding with the 2 yard pass and the 1 yard run touchdowns, where jimmy brought them down the field? Youre going to use that to backup your argument?

Come on, youre acting like we have a collective IQ of 81.

Oh and if Jimmy made that pass vs DET you'd be creaming your pants all the same lol.

Pretty sure it was 3rd down vs GB when Lance came in and scored….Jimmy couldn't

How's our RZ efficiency this yr??? 20th in 2019.

Have nothing against Jimmy. Watching Trey play is much more fun. Nothing but a gut feel, but I think he gives us the best chance to sneak into a wild card, even with inevitable rookie mistakes. Looked good after the first couple of series once he settled down and has WAY more big play potential. I believe in this kid. Let him play and see how it goes.