Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
So now you want to take away what was a blown coverage but you don't take away all the 5 yard passes that Jimmy throws that end up as 20 yard gains because of YAC. You also ignore the fact that the defender was forced to hesitate and froze because he thought Trey might run. That allowed Deebo to get wide open because nobody picked him up.

Trey was far from perfect but he had no game prep. He got better as the game progressed. He showed some escapability on a couple of occasions. He did about as well as could be expected under the circumstances. If he plays this week and has a good game I'm not going to start swooning all over and say he's ready. One good game means no more than one poor game.

That blown coverage was not because of Trey Lance. If anything, it's because they were so unafraid of the pass that it wasn't their priority. Trey had completed, what, 1 pass at that point? I think he was at something like 20% completions at that point.

Trey didn't start connecting on passes until later in the 4th quarter when Seattle went prevent. He was not more efficient, at all.

Y'all wanna hold Jimmy's YAC against him, but fail to take into consideration that that's how our team is built. Deebo and Aiyuk are underneath YAC guys. Kittle is a YAC TE. The 49ers don't have an explosive deep threat in the receiver group, but everyone wasn't to get mad that we aren't tossing hail mary's every which way?

Jimmy was #1 in the league on the deep ball in 2019 when we had a semblance of a deep threat in Sanders. But since then, it's been all underneath guys in the receiver room who are great with the ball in their hands. And people wanna hold that against Jimmy?

Isn't this the same franchise that perfected the West Coast Offense? But now that we are utilizing it's staple elements... it's a bad thing?

Did we learn NOTHING from the Alex Smith / Colin Kaepernick debacle? When everyone complained that Alex could only throw 5 yard check downs, and then we lost the Super Bowl because Colin Kaepernick... couldn't throw a 5 yard check down?

Make it make sense.

This fanbase has fallen off their collective rocker. Y'all have been played soooooo hard by media spin from hacks like Shasky that you actually believe this crap.

Where have you been all my life???

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
So now you want to take away what was a blown coverage but you don't take away all the 5 yard passes that Jimmy throws that end up as 20 yard gains because of YAC. You also ignore the fact that the defender was forced to hesitate and froze because he thought Trey might run. That allowed Deebo to get wide open because nobody picked him up.

Trey was far from perfect but he had no game prep. He got better as the game progressed. He showed some escapability on a couple of occasions. He did about as well as could be expected under the circumstances. If he plays this week and has a good game I'm not going to start swooning all over and say he's ready. One good game means no more than one poor game.

That blown coverage was not because of Trey Lance. If anything, it's because they were so unafraid of the pass that it wasn't their priority. Trey had completed, what, 1 pass at that point? I think he was at something like 20% completions at that point.

Trey didn't start connecting on passes until later in the 4th quarter when Seattle went prevent. He was not more efficient, at all.

Y'all wanna hold Jimmy's YAC against him, but fail to take into consideration that that's how our team is built. Deebo and Aiyuk are underneath YAC guys. Kittle is a YAC TE. The 49ers don't have an explosive deep threat in the receiver group, but everyone wasn't to get mad that we aren't tossing hail mary's every which way?

Jimmy was #1 in the league on the deep ball in 2019 when we had a semblance of a deep threat in Sanders. But since then, it's been all underneath guys in the receiver room who are great with the ball in their hands. And people wanna hold that against Jimmy?

Isn't this the same franchise that perfected the West Coast Offense? But now that we are utilizing it's staple elements... it's a bad thing?

Did we learn NOTHING from the Alex Smith / Colin Kaepernick debacle? When everyone complained that Alex could only throw 5 yard check downs, and then we lost the Super Bowl because Colin Kaepernick... couldn't throw a 5 yard check down?

Make it make sense.

This fanbase has fallen off their collective rocker. Y'all have been played soooooo hard by media spin from hacks like Shasky that you actually believe this crap.

Where have you been all my life???

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
So now you want to take away what was a blown coverage but you don't take away all the 5 yard passes that Jimmy throws that end up as 20 yard gains because of YAC. You also ignore the fact that the defender was forced to hesitate and froze because he thought Trey might run. That allowed Deebo to get wide open because nobody picked him up.

Trey was far from perfect but he had no game prep. He got better as the game progressed. He showed some escapability on a couple of occasions. He did about as well as could be expected under the circumstances. If he plays this week and has a good game I'm not going to start swooning all over and say he's ready. One good game means no more than one poor game.

That blown coverage was not because of Trey Lance. If anything, it's because they were so unafraid of the pass that it wasn't their priority. Trey had completed, what, 1 pass at that point? I think he was at something like 20% completions at that point.

Trey didn't start connecting on passes until later in the 4th quarter when Seattle went prevent. He was not more efficient, at all.

Y'all wanna hold Jimmy's YAC against him, but fail to take into consideration that that's how our team is built. Deebo and Aiyuk are underneath YAC guys. Kittle is a YAC TE. The 49ers don't have an explosive deep threat in the receiver group, but everyone wasn't to get mad that we aren't tossing hail mary's every which way?

Jimmy was #1 in the league on the deep ball in 2019 when we had a semblance of a deep threat in Sanders. But since then, it's been all underneath guys in the receiver room who are great with the ball in their hands. And people wanna hold that against Jimmy?

Isn't this the same franchise that perfected the West Coast Offense? But now that we are utilizing it's staple elements... it's a bad thing?

Did we learn NOTHING from the Alex Smith / Colin Kaepernick debacle? When everyone complained that Alex could only throw 5 yard check downs, and then we lost the Super Bowl because Colin Kaepernick... couldn't throw a 5 yard check down?

Make it make sense.

This fanbase has fallen off their collective rocker. Y'all have been played soooooo hard by media spin from hacks like Shasky that you actually believe this crap.

Where have you been all my life???

POTY!!!!

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
It just clicked. I have come up with the perfect comp, minus about 2 inches and a little speed:
Tavaris Jackson
super talented, drafted for what he could be. Huge arm and good mobility. Both thickly built with a body that should hold up. Both played at small schools and had accuracy issues.
TJ did start out at Arkansas before coming back home to Alabama St so had plenty of talent. Ended up having a solid career

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
The Alex Smith Colin Kaepernick situation became a debacle because the OC and HC aren't able to actually develop NFL QB's and have to rely on their legs to make everything happen. Add in Colin never developing the ability to go through progressions and you get what you get. But if you think we come close to the SB in 2012 with Alex Smith at the helm you are out your mind. It was the right move.

We lost the SB because the team was completely unprepared to play a football game and we didn't use our best player when we were on the cusp of scoring the winning TD. That loss was never on Kap.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
I'm pretty sure Kyle is watching youtube videos of the Baltimore Raven's offense so he can unleash Lamar Lance on the cards this Sunday. I can totally see it!!

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
I'm pretty sure Kyle is watching youtube videos of the Baltimore Raven's offense so he can unleash Lamar Lance on the cards this Sunday. I can totally see it!!

Make it stop.

Just because Lance is black and athletic doesn't mean he's anything like Lamar Jackson.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
The Alex Smith Colin Kaepernick situation became a debacle because the OC and HC aren't able to actually develop NFL QB's and have to rely on their legs to make everything happen. Add in Colin never developing the ability to go through progressions and you get what you get. But if you think we come close to the SB in 2012 with Alex Smith at the helm you are out your mind. It was the right move.

We lost the SB because the team was completely unprepared to play a football game and we didn't use our best player when we were on the cusp of scoring the winning TD. That loss was never on Kap.

What exactly does a HC do in regards to developing? They aren't sitting there developing one player all season and in TC. Most of a players development comes from them putting work in/during the off season.

A coaches job is to put their players in the best place to succeed and get them to understand their playbook…which is sort of "developing" but not what most people think.

it wasn't Harbs fault kap couldn't go through reads, that's in Kap to learn how to do that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
YPA is a pointless stat in regards to the QB. His IAY is one of the lowest in the league.

so wait we can't talk about that blown coverage TD which required Lance to throw it 40 yards off his back foot to the boundary BUT we should factor in a gimmie TD miss by a WR? talk about selective bias.

so scoring 7 pts the past 3 games in the first half is efficient? Dude stop it.

scoring TDs matter and overall we haven't been efficient at it in the RZ with Jimmy for yrs…we seem to do pretty well with Lance in those situations, no?

Originally posted by NavyNinerFan:
Have nothing against Jimmy. Watching Trey play is much more fun. Nothing but a gut feel, but I think he gives us the best chance to sneak into a wild card, even with inevitable rookie mistakes. Looked good after the first couple of series once he settled down and has WAY more big play potential. I believe in this kid. Let him play and see how it goes.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

It just clicked. I have come up with the perfect comp, minus about 2 inches and a little speed:
Tavaris Jackson
super talented, drafted for what he could be. Huge arm and good mobility. Both thickly built with a body that should hold up. Both played at small schools and had accuracy issues.
TJ did start out at Arkansas before coming back home to Alabama St so had plenty of talent. Ended up having a solid career

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
So now you want to take away what was a blown coverage but you don't take away all the 5 yard passes that Jimmy throws that end up as 20 yard gains because of YAC. You also ignore the fact that the defender was forced to hesitate and froze because he thought Trey might run. That allowed Deebo to get wide open because nobody picked him up.

Trey was far from perfect but he had no game prep. He got better as the game progressed. He showed some escapability on a couple of occasions. He did about as well as could be expected under the circumstances. If he plays this week and has a good game I'm not going to start swooning all over and say he's ready. One good game means no more than one poor game.

That blown coverage was not because of Trey Lance. If anything, it's because they were so unafraid of the pass that it wasn't their priority. Trey had completed, what, 1 pass at that point? I think he was at something like 20% completions at that point.

Trey didn't start connecting on passes until later in the 4th quarter when Seattle went prevent. He was not more efficient, at all.

Y'all wanna hold Jimmy's YAC against him, but fail to take into consideration that that's how our team is built. Deebo and Aiyuk are underneath YAC guys. Kittle is a YAC TE. The 49ers don't have an explosive deep threat in the receiver group, but everyone wasn't to get mad that we aren't tossing hail mary's every which way?

Jimmy was #1 in the league on the deep ball in 2019 when we had a semblance of a deep threat in Sanders. But since then, it's been all underneath guys in the receiver room who are great with the ball in their hands. And people wanna hold that against Jimmy?

Isn't this the same franchise that perfected the West Coast Offense? But now that we are utilizing it's staple elements... it's a bad thing?

Did we learn NOTHING from the Alex Smith / Colin Kaepernick debacle? When everyone complained that Alex could only throw 5 yard check downs, and then we lost the Super Bowl because Colin Kaepernick... couldn't throw a 5 yard check down?

Make it make sense.

This fanbase has fallen off their collective rocker. Y'all have been played soooooo hard by media spin from hacks like Shasky that you actually believe this crap.

Where have you been all my life???

POTY!!!!

Agreed